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Christianity - The Horse that Refuses to Die
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Monday
God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105).
Which is exactly what I said in the first place.
You're illicitly stating at this point that you're mixing a belief of quantum physics and the altering of space-time with Mormonism, which doesn't make any sense at all and is even less able to be proven than a single God's perpetual existance.
What?
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Gone
Honestly in my experience of the past few years, Atheists in general are a lot more preachy and shove their beleifs down your throat than your average Christian.
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238331
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abulurd
(Of course, you may not believe Jesus even existed, but then you'd be the one believing in completely fictional things, as most historians agree that Jesus actually did exist, even if he wasn't the Son of God).
I personally do not believe Jesus ever existed, what are the reputable unbiased sources claiming he did exist?
Look up Tacitus, Josephus, Pliny the younger, Lucian of Samasota.
There is a lot of evidence that there was an actual person named Jesus. Whether or not he was who he claimed is up for debate.
If we accept from those sources that Jesus existed, and we accept that what he is thought to have taught he actually did ( no certainty, many of the parables of Jesus had their origins in the parables of Rabbi Hillel) then he was either a lier, a lunatic, or lord (please note, I am not accepting the legend argument at this time, as I believe the writings I mentioned earlier prove someone named Jesus existed).
Personally, I do believe in both the historical Jesus, and that he was who he said he was. That being said, I do not believe there will ever be the kind of hard proof that would undeniably prove that Christianity is right. After all, if we accept that faith please the Christian God (
proof
) then what kind of faith does it take to believe when there is hard evidence.
As someone who dislikes debate and doesn't pay much attention to Wowhead's forums, I probably won't remember to check up on this, to those who wish to actually discuss things like this, I'd advise talking to a Catholic priest, if you are actually interested in discussion, and not just mindlessly spouting dogma you've heard from others.
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Monday
God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105).
Which is exactly what I said in the first place.
God the Father had a Father, who had to have a Father, who had to have a Father.
How many times is it now that I've told you to actually read my posts?
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238331
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ExDementia
God says in Isaiah 43:10, "Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me." Psalm 90:2 says of him, "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." This is the God Christians worship. Of him we can say, "Who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor? Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid? For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen." (Romans 11:34-36)
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Monday
God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105).
Which is exactly what I said in the first place.
You're illicitly stating at this point that you're mixing a belief of quantum physics and the altering of space-time with Mormonism, which doesn't make any sense at all and is even less able to be proven than a single God's perpetual existance.
What?
http://mrm.org/god-of-mormonism
- After the quotation from Joseph Smith stating that their could have been God's before God, they immediately quote scripture to the contrary.
And don't make me repeat myself. You're the one that is apparently not reading. I've provided documented proof from sources I don't even care about to make my point and you're just like "...derp?". You explicitly stated that you believe that their is an infinite progression of gods and worlds that have been created by other gods and worlds. The closest thing I can relate this too is quantum physics and Stargate episodes.
You're quoting an anti Mormon site and claiming it as evidence? *bzzt* Try again.
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Pwntiff
You're quoting an anti Mormon site and claiming it as evidence? *bzzt* Try again.
Yeah, that's a huge mistake. If you want clarity on a religion, ask the adherents, not the opponents.
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ExDementia
You're quoting an anti Mormon site and claiming it as evidence? *bzzt* Try again.
Look at what I quoted. Those are cited quotes from the bible itself.
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Monday
You're quoting an anti Mormon site and claiming it as evidence? *bzzt* Try again.
Look at what I quoted. Those are cited quotes from the bible itself.
Modern revelation > ancient scripture.
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Gone
You're quoting an anti Mormon site and claiming it as evidence? *bzzt* Try again.
Look at what I quoted. Those are cited quotes from the bible itself.
Im not a morman, but I beleive that those quotes are refering to the worship, not the existantce of God
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ExDementia
You're quoting an anti Mormon site and claiming it as evidence? *bzzt* Try again.
Look at what I quoted. Those are cited quotes from the bible itself.
Modern revelation > ancient scripture.
If you say so. I certainly argue what your people believe :)
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238331
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292559
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Monday
You're quoting an anti Mormon site and claiming it as evidence? *bzzt* Try again.
Look at what I quoted. Those are cited quotes from the bible itself.
Modern revelation > ancient scripture.
Okay, so I'm done arguing with you now. Cited quotes from the LDS site and others, as well as direct quotes from The Bible - the book all Christianity is based on - and you refuse to accept any evidence as truth. This is why I have a problem with Christians. You don't even believe what you believe.
Actually, you cited sources from an anti-Mormon site and a corrupt book.
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Pwntiff
You're quoting an anti Mormon site and claiming it as evidence? *bzzt* Try again.
Look at what I quoted. Those are cited quotes from the bible itself.
Modern revelation > ancient scripture.
Okay, so I'm done arguing with you now. Cited quotes from the LDS site and others, as well as direct quotes from The Bible - the book all Christianity is based on - and you refuse to accept any evidence as truth. This is why I have a problem with Christians. You don't even believe what you believe.
Actually, you cited sources from an anti-Mormon site and a corrupt book.
Yeah, Mormon.org is the official website for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
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Monday
I know it is.
The only quote he linked from there was essentially what I was saying.
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238331
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Pwntiff
I know it is.
The only quote he linked from there was essentially what I was saying.
Right, I was agreeing.
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