the more damage one does, the more aggro they get. so tank=do more damage=get more aggro. crits factor into aggro gaining as well. it is already hard for a druid to gain aggro, crits make it easier. Agi adds armor, a great way to continue to make yourself harder to kill.

I agree that i would ask the rogue first before rolling on the item. Dont kid yourself, however, that it is a bad druid item. its use is is bear form.

before u critique the class, get to lvl 60 and then tell me you would not use this. i know how to tank, don LBRS tanking, and i am an excellent healer all the same. i know my class.

u dont know the druid

Helmhammer, lvl 60 Druid of the Legacy of Strife guild.
Bloodhoof

評論來自 Thottbot

This is more of a druid feral peice than rogue. Since when do rogues need spirit?

Newsflash, druids go feral. I can tank far better than a pally, and not far off from a warrior. You rogues are a dime a dozen, while druids are rare. You have the entire shadowcraft set to roll on, stop being greedy bastards and thinking that all leather should go to rogues. If I start a raid and a druid in my raid says they want to roll on a feral item and a rogue complains I boot the rogue. Everyone seems to love saying that item x is 0.00001% better for their class than all others and therefore they should have exclusive rights to roll on it.

All these items you complain that druids are rollin on are end game druid items, while they are just fillers for you guys to get Shadowcraft.

評論來自 Thottbot

Arcani - To avoid being stuck in one role for 60 lvls OR be a damage dealer with the ability to heal one self!

I just thought id quote Blizz themselves - if anyone knows what this class can and can not, it would be them...

http://worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid.html

Forms are not as versatile as their counterpart classes, but might be considered as powerful

The Druid has three potential roles in a group. When in their normal, biped form, they act well as a healer and can give support in the form of buffs and debuffs; they also have limited crowd control against dragons. Their Bear form gives them offensive and defensive power enough to step up to a monster and take the hits (we're looking into aggro management for the form). In Cat form, the Druid becomes a damage dealer. This trio of roles in one class gives the Druid a diverse feel and allows them to perform nearly any role perceived as "needed" in a party.

Oh my - was that Blizzard themselves saying that druids arent just healers?

And even worse - that with the right gear and talents, they can be just as powerfull as their counterpart classes?

Aggro management is fixed - taunt abilities are present, which makes them better at tanking than pallies in my opinion, since they can actually pull mobs of party members!

We may not have as many skills as a rogue. We cant sap, nor have as many different ways of dealing the damage. Nor can we vanish...
But we can in fact do some mean damage. Ive seen many a time, that im quite capable of outdamaging a lvl. 57 rogue.

Dont believe me? -Install that damage meter add-on, invite a good feral druid into your group, and cry your eyes out!

評論來自 Thottbot

First of all - druids dont want this item for the spirit bonus anymore than rogues do.
Its a nice item with good stam/str/crit - those are the paramteres of interest. Who on earth ever said that feral druids go for spirit?

Second - I didnt say that a good feral druid can outdamage a good rogue on the same lvl - I said that i can outdamage one 2-3 lvls below me, which is pretty darn good! The strength of the druid is the versatility - and even if I focus my char on high damage output, you cant just conclude that my char is a failure, since i cant do as much damage as a rogue my own lvl.
Because I can still:

1. Go bear and pull aggro of fragile chars like priests, mages and... rogues.

2. Throw in that extra heal in tight situations.

3. Throw a combat rez if the main healer goes down.

5. Take out the fleeing mobs from distance.

And of course - jump into a mana suit and go dedicated healer in that final hour, when your tanks will be taking the beating of their lifetime, facing some end-boss.

From my point of view: I'd go for the high dam dealer, even though he cant deal just as much damage as a rouge, if he can do all of the above!

Dont fool yourself about the damage I can deal either. I am indeed very close at keeping up with the rogues in my raid parties. We're talking 1-2% max!

This is just as much a druid item as it is a rogue item... In fact more if you ask me. Since i'm not allowed to roll on shadowcraft ( Which is NOT a class item - It does NOT say "Class: Rogue") by the rogues, and most people doing scholo are working on their rare item sets, I think the least you could do is let druids have a fair shot at this armor. If not (And i dont roll on high agi/crit armor unless allowed by the grouped rogues), then you are living in a tiny tiny world!

評論來自 Thottbot

Personally being a druid, I'd like to add some input to this conversation.

I use %crit on my feral gear not because I'm trying to do more damage in cat form. I find cat form mostly useless. I do however want %crit for bear form. Why? Because my talent build lets me generate extra rage when I crit. Look up the feral talent tree to see what I'm talking about. Thus, extra crit means more rage. More rage means more aggro generation. More rage also means less healing for the healer, because of frenzied regen. Which means less aggro on the healer, and more mana left for heals on weaker classes.... like rogues. To top it off, this gear has high AC and decent stamina.

I would always let a rogue roll for this first if they need it, since they would use it more than I would. However, don't say that a druid doesn't need this. I would definitely like to make this a part of my end-game feral set (along with the Devilsaur set).

評論來自 Thottbot

god, you guys are such retards, druids primary is not meant to be for healing, that's what priests are for.

if that's all the druids you know have ever done, they should del there druid and become a priest.
they dont know how to use their druid.

i'm a lvl 36 druid and i can beat just about every other class whose the same lvl as me and give a lvl 40 shaman a moment to think if he's doing the right thing by taking me on.

the easiest way to kill a rogue is faire fire, free action potion, root, moonfire and go into melee, bear you go casting form, heal myself melee you, moonfire you, try cat form, have some fun with that, go into caster, heal and carry on im doing this whilst your running around like a headless chicken because your health is low and you've spent your energy, i then get bored and spam you with moonfire or chase you down with travel form root you and wrath you.

for class's that use's mana, i can outlast them with heals whilst you guys drain your mana down, we may not have a high dps, so we cant kill quickly but we keep on going wearing you down and kill you.

for warriors i just root and faire fire, moonfire, wrath, and go into melee

All my stats are geared towards stamina and strength and intellect.

druids dont have a primary role, we're there to fill any defencies that you guys have,we're the last line of defence that can save a whole grp because of our combat rez.

as we have the abilities of 3 classes (warrior, rogue, priest) then we have the right to roll for items that can enchance each form.

評論來自 Thottbot

...no Priest
...no Warrior
...no Rogue

He is a bid of all in one. And for every job he can do he need the Gear to do it well.

We cant Tank proper with Wildheart.
We cant make Damage with Wildheart.

And if you have enough time and will you can bouild yourself a better blue set, insteat of the wildheart with much more usefull stats for healing.

Saying a druid is nothing more than a healer, also in mc on upper, is nothing more than stupid. Priests are the mainhealer, we are only need for healing cause so much #$%^&*!s of you play the FoM Classes Rouge, Shaman or Mage..
If we there are enough Priests for all we would be that, what we a should: an allrounder, a supporter to do that what is /need in this situation.

We have our wildheart, you have your shadowcraft.
Dont think every item that hasnt int is yours!
WE are the ones who have to @#$% up with ALL CLASSES about equip, to get a good one for all our forms: We NEED Leatheritems, maybe rogue also need.
We need rings mages/priests/warlocks maybe also need with int/spi/sta.
We need rings with sta/str also maybe war or pals need?
Stuffs all caster need?
Maces Palas want to use?
Necless everyone need?

There is NO Class who cant say for example "Hey, you Tank us through this instance, and now you want to roll on this Stuff with 30 INT 12 STA? Are you stupid? You are a !@#$ing feral"
This is the same reason why rogues say "Hey, you are a $%^&ing healer"

There is NO point to discuss that think.
Get your Set, we get ours, get your +agi/sta, we get our sta/str and if there is something all of us can use, .. than sorry .. you have to roll high enough to win. Or you lose. Thats life!

評論來自 Thottbot

I'm a rogue. It's a nice piece for either a rogue or druid, I personally wouldn't roll if a druid truly wanted it (and hadn't been an incompetent or annoying player in the instance). Apart from the crit - which is certainly enough to justify a rogue rolling - there isn't much there for a rogue. The +stam is middling for a piece of this level. Strength is a cheat for rogues. I'd take it and wear it if no one else wanted it, though.

評論來自 Thottbot

The problem is that 90% of the time that any Rogue has had any experience with a druid is when they are running raids with them. Usually Druids in instances are pigeon holed into playing a healer in said instances. I'm OK with that, I do whatever to get the job done. However what the uber-leet rogues do not see is what the druid had to deal with out in the wild.

When a druid gets into a PvP situation out in the wild int and spr no longer matter as much.

EDIT: Sorry to all the balance specs out there. In PvP Int/Spr still matters.

All the sudden things like str/agil/%crit start to matter. A druid is not going to heal an opponent to death, and even if they are the primary healer of a PvP group there is more times than not that 8000+ armor will help than all of the int in the world. PvP is completly different as you will never taunt a opposing factions warrior off a healer, so the alternative is to make that healer tough to kill and give him a little bite back.

So basically to rogues:
The druid that was healing you last night in PvE is probably not the same druid you will meet in the wild. My wildheart set is awesome in PvE but when it comes to PvP I want this piece, and I have every right to it as you do and arguably more as the stats are slightly more geared to me than any rogue.

評論來自 Thottbot

Got cadaverous first time through and this the second, wondering which one i should use as a combat rogue

評論來自 Thottbot

Yea Im afraid the entire argument from the above posts on why a Druid should not roll on this is now gone.

Ive Respec to feral now with 1.8 and Im loving it.

I would roll on this gear in a heartbeat. I may respec to Resto for endgame raids - but for the purpose of getting FERAL GEAR.

Druids depend on thier gear(s) more than most. How many other classes cary 2 or 3 sets of gear?

評論來自 Thottbot

I'm a rogue, and would gladly give this to our druids.

There's way better choices for us that have a "reserved" stamp on them (SC goes to rogues first, unless you're in a PuG, which you chose to be - not my problem), our druids have a hard enough time to get good meleeing gear (either damage or tank); and not all good guilds have druids on the healing spot.

Indeed, if you're in a good guild, you can easily have a druid tank or off-tank UBRS, or take a DD role if they want. The only guilds that force their druids to become healers and healers only are those with an obvious lack of healers, and muppets who scream "rogue gear, hunter gear, whatever gear".

I'd rather have this go to a guild-druid than a non-guild rogue that I'll never group again.

Re: this or cadaverous for combat rogues: Cadaverours, by far. 60 AP is ridiculously good.

評論來自 Thottbot

You know that agility ups crit chance and that is what rogues are about,crit chance and attack power, so...this is very nice because it has +2 percent crit chance, both of your redemption ideas sound valid but...for the amount of gold maybe... 20-50g idk

評論來自 Thottbot

There seems to be a lot of bad feeling between certain rogues and druids. especially about comment such as "omfg take feral druid into mc lol nub"

As a feral druid I'd like this very much. And I'm sure a rogue would like it too. Which is exactly what there is a rolling system for. If your running a "one blue need" system, then you either get it because the rogue has used his need, or roll on it if you both use your need. simple.

I'm glad to say I'm on a relatively free thinking server. I feel very sorry for all youd druids who are forced into healing on these overcrowded old fashioned servers. I'm not saying we're not healer- in fact we're very good at it- but its not everyone cup of tea, aand we are good at plenty of other things. I've read a lot on thott about how druids are unable to get into various high end instances due to their spec- usually feral. Havent people thought you can take more than one druid? a resto for innervate, feral for lotp, which is great for tanks:more crit means more aggro, and one balance druid, although balance druids are surprisingly rare. stick the balance druid with the mages, and bosses are going down fast with all those crits.

people often say "omfg crits means you get aggro so mages shoulnt do that much dd"

...

Er, what? hello? if your tank is half decent you cant crit all you like and not end up with some huge dragon painting you on the wall.

Anyway, that my 2 pence.

評論來自 Thottbot

ok, for the first of all:
the str/spirit on this is so low that it doesnt count.
and 2% crit is good for rogues and feral druids, yes.
and its right, for a rogue its use and toss, but for a druid it might be an end-game pvp item, but... this beats the most #$%^ u can get outside end-game instances, so if u dont have a end-game guild, this is free for both druids and rogues. and this is better than SC tunic. cadaverous and chestplate of bloodthirst r the only 2 better i can remember atm outside ZG/AQ/MC/onyxia/BWL.

happy hunting

im a rogue btw, and easily said, roll on it, no1 needs more than the other

評論來自 Thottbot

Stats change to +10 strength and stamina.

評論來自 Thottbot

Didn't know about that since I got this after the patch. :) If it had a spirit stat on it, then yea I wouldn't have rolled. However, if everyone's argument before was that cause of that stat it was for druids, then why does Shadowcraft have spirit stats on it as well?

anyway, I have this now; Sta and Str. It is fair grounds for anyone to roll on, druid or rogue. 2% crit chance is just not something you can pass up.

With this the eye of rend and the rogue pvp pants, you have +6% chance to crit from armor. TI don't have anything else at the moment with those stats or know of other armors but that right there gives me more than what NS gives for crit chance. (I'm not saying what I have is better than NS, just pointing it out.)

評論來自 Thottbot

yes i agree that this is both rogue and druid gear but my opinion of being a lvl 60 rogue is that if you want the crit chance stormshroud is much better if you want the stam,strength and crit go for the breastplate of bloodthirst its purple but it may take awhile to make you need 5 skins of shadow,5 arcanite bars,10 abomination stitching and a pristine hide of the beast if you are running strat,scholo and ubrs alot you will have no problem with these mats except the arcanite but i'm sure most of us have miner chars or friends

評論來自 Thottbot

What can I say? It's always fun to meet open-minded people...

評論來自 Thottbot

Personally...this chestpiece benefits both classes.
However I don't personally see how any Druid that is going to do any endgame instance or plans to do anything remotely similar believes he/she is going to be doing anything other than healing...
I have yet to personally see a group look for a druid to tank, or dps. Frankly Druids make better healers than tanks or damaging, that doesn't mean they cannot those roles, but Druids unless geared out and in competition with a gear lacking competitor can simply not out dps a rogue, and cannot out tank a warrior and cannot out heal a priest. However they do make good secondaries... Which is why I wonder why I never see this, Why doesn't a druid sit back and watch the battle if the healing is lacking start healing, if the tank falls jump in take aggro, if the rogue is incapacitated or dead finish the damage required, You all say the druids have versatility which they do but why do you always go into an instance with a set role in mind?... Something to ponder

Rather blunt and not true to all but hey its what i see to Idc keep complaining...its rather amusing to read

評論來自 Thottbot

Ive got both a 60 druid and a 60 rogue and i would love this chest on both of em..

now the druid is resto specced and MC/BWL geared but i still like to update my feral gear ever so often, just incase i ever feel like respeccing..

As for the ppl saying druids cant tank..
The other day we were doin onyxia and we decided that we would have our guild leaders druid as MT.. and it went GREAT! Now his druid may have a few epic feral pieces but i see no problem as to a nice blue-geared feral druid tanking BRD/scholo/strat or whatever..

the little story about the druid that couldnt tank ZF is either totally fictional or involves a green/grey geared druid being played by a mentally slow 7yr old kid.

Thankyou and goodnight..

評論來自 Allakhazam

It droop on my 20th run on scholo, a did 90, i was very happy, but after a few second a "%@* druid did 99 O_O, abused -_-...
ShadowCraft is claim by druid and now, the other items x% crit to -_- ...

Edited, Fri Dec 16 23:32:31 2005

評論來自 Allakhazam

Got this tonight in Scholomance along with some other nice pieces. Replaced my Nightbrace tunic with this and did some quick calculations. My average backstab damage went down with this chest piece by 50 pts but my average DPS went up 50 pts.

Overall, decent trade off. (Both have +10 stamina, only difference to really sway one is the resists on the Nightbrace Tunic)

Ambush damage was barely effected.

評論來自 Allakhazam

Second time in Scholo and I am quite pleased with this.

評論來自 Allakhazam

Dropped from Gandling on my first ever Scholo run. Was wearing Fungus Shroud Armor and swapped to this without so much as a thought. The 2% to crit bonus is very nice and I'll wear this until I get enough pieces from the Shadowcraft set to take advantage of the set bonuses.

Oh yeah. Another rogue in the group. We were the only two to roll. He rolled 82 first. I nailed a 90. Overall, though, a crappy run. I just got lucky at the end.

評論來自 Allakhazam

So is this better than the Cadaverous Chest Piece

172Armor
+8 Str
+8 Agi
+60 Attack Power

評論來自 Allakhazam

IMHO, cadaverous armor is better for PvE than this. you get a total of 72 ap from cadaverous, which think is better than 2% to crit.

評論來自 Allakhazam

Got this + Shadowcraft bracers on my first scholomance run. I was the only rogue. =)

評論來自 Allakhazam

I've ran 24 runs with my guild the past two weeks and only 3 of these have dropped. We've only had 1 Cadverous Tunic drop as well.

評論來自 Allakhazam

Is this item better for a feral druid (mainly tanking, but also some DPS, and of course soloing) than the level 50 druid quest reward: the Grizzled Pelt? (here's the link: 灰色毛皮

The plus 23 armor is obviously good and of course you increase your crit rating, but you lose strength (AP) and a TON of agility (which also adds to armor and to hit chance and crit rating). I think at the end of the day, this is actually a downgrade, even though it's a higher level item.

Edited, Dec 12th 2006 9:45am by Fetchingomer

評論來自 Allakhazam

this is druid item.. they NEED strength.. strength is not THAT good for rogues

評論來自 Allakhazam

Got it on my first scholorun, was the only rogue.

評論來自 Allakhazam

Can we get a screenshot? Cant wait till i get mine.

評論來自 Allakhazam

Edited, Thu Jun 22 09:08:29 2006

評論來自 Allakhazam

nope for rogues is 30 agy for 1& crit and 15 agy for 1% dodge

so imo that object is good for rogues

評論來自 Allakhazam

I have also never seen this drop... ever, and i have done abaout 20 scholo runs, which also sucks cause i need a feral chestpiece... lol

I would go with cadaverous, but looking at the % this is probably easier to get, but i have yet to see this or cadaverous drop, i want a feral chestpiece damnit!

評論來自 Allakhazam

dropped first time in scholo and probably the last time i'll see it. no rogue, druid gave to me..i'm a hunter!

評論來自 Allakhazam

I guess with the ridiculous "drop chance" of Pristine Hide of the Beast, this is a real alternative for all rogues, considering you don't want to go for Stormshroud Armor.

評論來自 vlaka

The free alternative to Breastplate of Bloodthirst minus the dodge, some armour and fancy purple coloured text :P

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