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PvE is Dead
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Ohh I'm sorry..
Me, who couldn't be bothered to waste half my life with raiding in Vanilla is now getting epics the easy way.
I would like to apologize for killing Anub'arak heroic on 10man (10man guild) and get epics that decreases the size of your e-peen.
I also would like to apologize on the behalf of all the alts in my guild that without any effort probably have gotten better gear then you. We're truly sorry about decreasing the size of your e-peen, we didn't realize what impact our easy epics would have.
I also would like to apologize for those terrible easy mode achievements i have, like firefighter and TotGC10. They are nothing compared to the skills you guys showed in MC at 60. We have no idea what impact they would have on your e-peen.
Again, I'm terrible sorry for the effect me enjoying myself have had on your e-peen.
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Porcell
Prove me wrong!
My following arguments:
It's too easy to get gear
The new bosses seams like ToC10/25 that you can just PuG
The hard part of world of warcraft is PvP
"Too easy" is an opinion. It certainly is "easier" than it was at level 60 or level 70, but I wouldn't say it's "too easy." The easy gear (emblem gear) is a full tier or two behind the leading edge PvE gear. I don't have a problem with that.
The reason they did this is because they don't want to require new level 80s to farm Naxx for 4 months, and then farm Ulduar for 4 months, just to get to current level content. We (raiders) farmed those instances and geared up in the proper order because that's the content we had available. It is unreasonable to require fresh level 80s to grind the same content that we did now that it is old.
New bosses you can PuG: It depends on what you mean by PuG. Yes, if you get raiders that are in main raiding guilds, put them on moderately geared alts (or their mains), and mix them together then yes you can PuG it. Get 10 or 25 random people out of trade chat? No, you can't PuG it.
PvP is hard: Ha! Ha ha! Now we get to the root of your argument. You are a PvPer and think PvP is somehow better, requires more skill, or is more challenging than PvE. Well, it's nice that you like PvP, but you can't really compare the two. PvP is designed around losing 50% of the time. If you are against an equally geared and skilled team you'll only win half your matches.
I'd say coordinating 25 people where a single mistake can mean failure to be at least on par in difficulty to Arenas (and BGs are a joke).
By the way, people are asking to see your Achievements because they want to see how much actual raiding content you've seen. "Some people have easily done the current content" does not mean "The current content is easily done by everyone."
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Sgtpain
Whats funny is that more guilds have ToC 10 and 25 cleared and haven't cleared Uld yet. There is alot of strat involved in uld compared to ToC. How many guilds do you know have 25 yogg downed, but can clear ToC 10 and 25 in one night in about 2 hours? ToC is a gear check, uld is a skill check, but I agree, still doesn't compare to the skill needed for BC or vanilla.
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Zorrah
Blizzard is a company in business to make money.
You don't make money by making PVE too difficult where the casual raider (majority of people) can't get gear. Give them a system to get gear (badges, etc) and they'll stay = more cash.
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I haven't done the raids yet due to internet problems but from what I've heard is that the PvE raids is easier and truth be told I have 2.2k SP without stepping into a raid....
So for "gearing is easy", it is kind of true since I know how much time I spent in BC to be able to do maggy/Gruul/ZA etc.
But in truth I like the idea of making the achievements hard and bosses "easier" ( this is based on what I've read and heard, not experienced ) since this enables people that play to blow of some steam or when they have free time to be able to see the game content. In BC just your hardcore guilds and players could reach the last raids.
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Katsudon
Again, I'm terrible sorry for the effect me enjoying myself have had on your e-peen.
/care realy :) was not my thing to whine about that becouse I could get gear as fast as you if I wanted but AS I SAID they made it to easy :)
Whats funny is that more guilds have ToC 10 and 25 cleared and haven't cleared Uld yet. There is alot of strat involved in uld compared to ToC. How many guilds do you know have 25 yogg downed, but can clear ToC 10 and 25 in one night in about 2 hours? ToC is a gear check, uld is a skill check, but I agree, still doesn't compare to the skill needed for BC or vanilla.
Finaly someone with a brain and dont think that I am a troll.
"Too easy" is an opinion. It certainly is "easier" than it was at level 60 or level 70, but I wouldn't say it's "too easy." The easy gear (emblem gear) is a full tier or two behind the leading edge PvE gear. I don't have a problem with that.
New bosses you can PuG: It depends on what you mean by PuG.
PvP is hard: Ha! Ha ha!..
By the way, people are asking to see your Achievements because they want to see how much actual raiding content you've seen. "Some people have easily done the current content" does not mean "The current content is easily done by everyone."
Oki I can agree with what you are saying mate, with that it is easy to get gear and you are oki with that. Sure you can think it is oki but I dont becouse of people is harder to see if they got skill or dont.
But I still think you can ask in trade after members to ToC 10/25 and even uldar (more brains I know).
Also with PvP I can agree with that you are saying that you can die 50% and still get good rating on arena, BUT you still need more skillz to match up to people that knows how to handel arena.
Oki if you realy wanna see my charecter you will not belive me but, I played 60 on a priest but dont got anymore... (done up to Naxx old school), but I still got my Warlock that I played with on 70 and cleared Sunwell with, also on 80 I played warrior. Started to play my warlock then toc came out becouse of pvp I know I suck at pvp so dont start flaming rating on teams.
- Link to Warlock -
- Link to Warrior -
happy? But I dont realy care what you think of you charecter just wanna show that I know what I am talking about.
Also this was not a bragging post this was just a point of view what I think is WoW is coming down to for "
hardcore
" gamers. But for "
normal
" playing people this change they made/making is realy good I can agree with that.
But thanks for all good coments :) <3
After checking those characters you're officially not qualified to complain about PvE content being too easy. That's something people that actually complete the PvE content (and have been farming it for at least a few weeks) can complain about. Good Job on ToC 10. Now how about you try ToC 25 or ToGC 10 and come back in a couple months with your complaints.
No offense, but just cause guilds that complete these harder raids say they are easy doesn't make you, average joe casual raider, qualified to complain as well.
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The only challenging encounter atm is ToGC25 realy.
Beasts are hard, saying otherwise is stupid, it requires CD management from both tank and healers, gets easier once you start outgearing it though.
Second bos is cake...
thirth one is a lot of fun, requires a lot of awarenes, somthing a lot of people lack.
fouth bos ain't to easy either imo. A bit of a chaos realy.
Anub is simply pretty damn hard. We did Nax25, maly and Ulduar25 up to Auriya simlpy to gear up a tank with blockgear for this encounter.
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Wildhorn
Prove me wrong!
My following arguments:
It's too easy to get gear
The new bosses seams like ToC10/25 that you can just PuG
The hard part of world of warcraft is PvP
I loved 60 times in PvE because you needed to get an effort to get the gear.
In 70 times it was a bit tricky to get gear also but not that hard, in the end of sunwell it was like really easy
but it was IN THE END!
80times it was a bit hard in the begging (if you can call it that) but then they started nerfing Naxx and I was like "Well they are trying to make it easy for the new people" I can agree with that it's a good argument. But what is it up with JUST making Achievements hard to get and not killing the normal boss. Also some achivments are hard to get but you don't get anything to do it just a achievements that you are a geek?
Is that what we want WoW to come to?
Just Achievements?
This is not a hate post I just want to hear a good argument WHY, PvE is good.
Your arguments are easy to destroy.
1) Gears alway been easy to get. You get gears by questing... oooowned. (You didnt specify epic or not)
2) You could PuG any raid during old time too. PuG is not a bad thing as long as people are able to listen. A PuG of great player is better than a premade of bad players.
3) PvP is not harder or easier than PvE. Both are all about timing and listening.
In 60 times, gears didnt require any effort to get. It was just requiring alot of time to waste.
Sunwell easy? I still see group of 80 wiping on some bosses. Show me your achievement of Sunwell back in time.
Achievements are there to show that you did something at certain time. Also, some are there to "You think it is easy? Try it that way then!". Just like if IRL you think a backflip is easy, try a double backflip then.
This is not a hate post I just want to hear a good argument WHY, PvE is good.
Even if you would hear good argument about it, you would not change your mind. You have set your mind to "PvE = bad".
Some people like PvE, others PvP, others to just hang around and chitchat. Leave people to what they like to do and mind your own business.
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