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Comentado por Thottbot

Your offhand dagger is not going to do !@#$ for damage by itself anyways. The real purpose of an Offhand is to Apply Posions. Hence faster the Better. Anything Above 1.4 In speed i won't touch for offhand. 1.8 Is just silly chances are you won't even hit the person Much/If at all before they Die with actual melee. Your far better Off Getting a FAST offhand and racking up your Posion Procs.

Comentado por Thottbot

heartseeker is one of the best offhands in the game sides felstriker, good to main hand barman and offhand HS, cant say one is better than the other cuz 1% crit pwns in a crit build. thats all peace

Comentado por Thottbot

I've had this dagger for a very, very long time. It started out as a mainhand, then I got smart and figured out how speed plays a huge factor in ambushing/backstabbing. So it was an offhand to Barman until AV came out, I got my Lobo and kept my heartseeker offhand and added a 15agil enchant later on, so it's about a 600g dagger.

Now, I know Bonescraper would be a much better offhand, IMO the best (short of epic) because the 30 attack power adds more top-end dmg to mainhand ambushes. I'm an attack power ambush rogue, agil ftl. BUT, it really takes effort to farm this, and I just can't bring myself to replace it because a friend helped me out with alot of the mats.

If you don't have the means to run MC or ZG, (I didn't at the time), I'd recommend this dagger. I'll probably never replace it because I'm nostalgic, it's currently being offhanded with Perdition. =P

Comentado por Thottbot

i find it quite distiurbing that some casters want this dagger, i mean sure go for it and buy it, its no problem for me, its just that the crit % wont be applied to your spells. so just make sure you research and item first before buying, and perhaps leave it at a cheaper price for us rogues eh?

Comentado por Thottbot

the scarlet kris is better and i buy it for 100 gold today so why you pay 300 gold for heartseeker scarlet kris have better stat and speed

Comentado por Allakhazam

heh, there was a time when this was an awesome dagger. RIP, heart seeker

Comentado por Allakhazam

This is actually the best "atainable" dagger in the game. Sure it requires some work and/or cash, but the parts are usually in the auction house and finding a person that can make one may take some time, but they are out there.

The other better daggers (i.e. Felstriker = 1.45% drop, Gutgore Ripper = 4% drop from an incredibly difficult instance and Fang of the Mystics is a 24% drop from a Azuregos) are not only unlikely to drop given the amount of time put in...but you will also have to win the roll. Face facts, just about everyone is going to want any of the above (especially any casting class with Fang).

Comentado por Allakhazam

I am saving up some money now for this dagger wich is an AWESOMELY good dagger for offhand and mainhand.
I have made some calculations and i find that (depending on the seller and the AH price) that on the Zenedar EU server it is cheaper to buy all the engridients on the AH then let yourself be ripped off by someone who will make you sometimes pay WAY to much money.

Comentado por Allakhazam

ive been buying all my mats off of the AH and now have all the reagents and it cost me around 220g. i dunno how the hell it sells for more then 300g. awesome dagger though way better then barmans 3 more dmg. pffft

Comentado por Allakhazam

i finally got all the materials for it and looking forward to having it made, although its gonna be 3 more levels to use. i'm also going to have somebody enchant lifestealing on it (i also got these reagents). until level 60 ill use this with the keris of zul'serak (this prolly main handed) and then ill get the distracting dagger out of dm west for offhand and the heartseeker for mainhand! the next daggers i'll get will be the black amnesty ones!

Comentado por Allakhazam

I can make these on Euro: Emerald Dream-Alliance...if anyone wants one let me know ingame :)

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Edited, Wed Jul 27 22:45:10 2005

Comentado por Allakhazam

im currently saving for the regents for this beauty! found Kang of de. sold it for 160g! im only 50g short to get this one, and im only lvl 52 hahaha :D

Comentado por Allakhazam

Where does this bad boy drop?

Comentado por Allakhazam

just bought it for 350 gold

Comentado por Allakhazam

Forge of Darsint

If you know of this weapon then you know what's involved on Shadow Council and it's not cheap.

I will give 5% off my AH price for direct purchases.

Darsint
"Returning with my shield or on it."

Edited, Tue Mar 7 09:39:59 2006

Comentado por Allakhazam

I WANT THIS!

I am a human rogue on jaedenar and love this dagger. If you can craft this plz give me a whsiper and we can negotiate a price. cheers. Vogue is the name of my character.

Comentado por Allakhazam

There was really never a time when this dagger was great. =\

Bonescraper was always the great offhand, pre raid content. Barman Shanker was the prime mainhand, pre normalization. After normalization the blue AV dagger was better then the Barman and better then the heartseeker (for the main hand) too.

I used one on my rogue too, but now that I look back, I don't know why. ;p

Comentado por Allakhazam

ouiy...this is one of the best daggers in the game. Thats some hell speed and damage coming from a dagger. *imagines having two at once...drools*

Comentado por Allakhazam

can a person use 2 of these?

Comentado por Allakhazam

I can't really find a use for this dagger, it's too slow to be an off-hand and too fast to be a main-hand. If it had a faster/slower speed I'd have my guildy weaponsmith make me one.

Comentado por Allakhazam

crafted item

Comentado por Allakhazam

What is DKP anyways, keep hearing it.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Gotta agree with shrunkard. The Barman'd low damage (51) is better than the HS's 49, and the high end on the Barman of 95 is better than the HS's 92. That means that for ~450G in straight mats (if you know someone who can make it), 600G from the AH, or a few weeks worth of finding the components you get less damage, 4 str and 1% to crit. Not worth it imo at all. However, it is one of the best "attainable," daggers you can get. Felstriker is just ridiculously rare and Gutgore/Perdition's Blade require a raid of 40 (although they are becoming more common than Felstriker).

My advice is to save your time and money and just spend a few hours in BRD farming the Barman. The proc sucks, but it doesn't happen that often, doesn't really matter for instances (minus MC, some raid leaders do get pissed that Barman takes up a debuff slot), and for PvP you can generally get away without having to gouge... that's just my 2 cp.

Comentado por Allakhazam

I agree with what everyone is saying, Its quite pointless to try and get heartseeker and spend all the time working towards it when barman shanker is much easier to attain (aside from many BRD runs to attain it). But DO NOT use this in MC as it takes up a debuff slot that could be put to much better use. But other than that, a good combo might be shanker in main hand + distracting dagger as off-hand.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Though you could argue that the Barman is a better dagger (less so after 1.8 patch), it is still a broken bottle. Though style isn't everything, it should count for something as a rogue. Maybe you could go for the total skanked out fighter look with torn pants, a mace that is just a board with a nail in it, and a mask that gives you rotten teeth graphics to go with that broken bottle.

Comentado por Allakhazam

i have the heartseeker :) + crusader = elite dagger tbh

Comentado por Allakhazam

Some of you guys don't understand at all. The Shanker got a major nerf in patch 1.8... Heartseeker owns the Shanker now.

Comentado por Allakhazam

This dagger will become alot better now in 1.8.

Since i am not a PVE player, i do a couple of instances now and then to get a few blue set pieces with my rogue and some drops to sell but nothing more.

I mainly focus on the PvP both inside bg's and outside and since AV is dead i might be thinking of getting this one insteed of my shanker since the will be setting the AP bonus on daggers down to 1.7 speed, well i lose 3 top end damage but i am more then willing to exchange that for a 1% crit and a faster weapon now when it dont mather as much anymore.

Anyways, time to get it soon :D

Comentado por Allakhazam

ok i make these on maelstrom and whenever i make 1 i try to sell it even un the price written here i know servers vary in prices but tbh i get mostly offers like 50g for this beauty i think its worth atleast 400g+ dunno why ppl never even check then net after i tell em off and do /w me U n00b no way its 400g

Comentado por Allakhazam

i got this on Earthen Ring (alliance).
msg erlan if you have the mats :p
good luck getting them though, at current prices you'd be out 350g or so

Comentado por Allakhazam

Might wanna look at this:

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Comentado por Allakhazam

Hmm i dont know its so hardly for you all, i got it when i was 60 for 3 days, my GM made for me for free :). Its very good dagger for amb/bs in main hand, i like it very much :>

Comentado por Allakhazam

I know this is a rogue weapon, but say a mate made it and you got it for a very good price, how would this be for hunters, surley its better then dawns edge?

Comentado por Allakhazam

There are sooooo many better daggers than this. 400g is just a damn waste for this POS, might as well get Krol Blade and respec to swords.

Just farm rep at AV or do MC for good daggers.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Did you just make that up?

Comentado por Allakhazam

How would you rate it as a weapon for windfury-shaman? I have used Hypnotic blade from SM, and it was awesome. Procented a lot, dealed crazy amount of damage during short time.
So, I'm shaman and I'm into fast daggers. %)
Cheers.:

Comentado por Allakhazam

Cirrus, Nadine and Gust can make this on Dragonmaw (alliance). The dagger is one of the best in the game imo, but they need to fix the speed on it - too fast for mainhand and too slow for offhand. Anyway im going for barman in main, and this in offhand. Barman with lifestealing and Heartseeker with crusader.

Note:
If you are a miner, you will be able to do this like 250gold cheaper - so rogues, better reroll proffesions =).

Comentado por Allakhazam

Barman Shranker maybe is a slow dagger, but it is in opposition of the rogue style of fight,it can brake blind, gouge, totaly good for nothing. Heartseeker is much better

Comentado por Allakhazam

Not that great. Marginally if at all better than Barman Shanker for backstab, and too slow in my opinion for off-hand. Those would be wasted arcanite bars.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Absolutely not worth the time and money it takes to make it, and not even close to worth the money it usually sells for.

At the attack powers that 58+ rogues have, the Shanker hits for at least 20-30 more dmg on non-crit backstabs and ambushes. My ambush crits 60% or more of the time. My backstab crits about 50% of the time with a 30% dmg bonus. That's a lot of damage you give up main-handing this over the Shanker. The free, solo-able Shanker, that is.

Even though it is decent off hand, you would spend 500+ gold on it? The Demon Blade of ... (green lvl 57) has equally good, if not better stat bonuses, is equal dmg to HS main-hand, and only gives up .1 speed and a few dps off-hand (remember off-hand loses dps anyways, so the difference is less than it seems). The main thing is, Demon Blade costs about 480 less gold. To me, choice between those is clear.

I'm still using Life-force Dirk off, which I am perfectly happy with - I'd far rather use the mone y for a Krol Blade or towards my epic mount.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Shanker really got nerfed bad, on my server this dagger even going for 500g now. I bought one yesterday for 350g plus all mats for agi+15 except the essence.

Now I'm kinda broke and was trying to save for epic mount, I'm wondering is this dagger a much better upgrade from Shanker to be used in mh? or should i just sell it for around 450ish gold getting about 120+g profit

Comentado por Allakhazam

I would highly reccomend that no one pay an insane amount of gold for this dagger. Just use CHEAP boe daggers off the ah until 60, and then at lvl 60 go farm AV for the 2 daggers you get from rep rewards.

Comentado por Chuggowitz

For Classic, pre-raid and pre phase 3, this is the most readily attainable mainhand dagger for dagger rogues. Adagavil is better, however it is incredibly rare. Pair this with the dagger from Baron and that's likely as good as you're going to get until MC.

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