Vengeance Demon Hunter State on Shadowlands Beta - Ineffectual Changes, Rotation Issues, Covenants

Bêta Publié 25/07/2020 à 03:18 par Itamae

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Pain has been renamed Fury in Shadowlands to match Havoc.

Dévastation gangrenée, a talent that was taken in early Legion before the Spirit Bomb rework, and appears to be our spec’s signature spell, is now baseline.

Gloutonnerie has been replaced with Démoniaque.

Division de l’âme received a minor buff increasing its damage and healing compared to BfA, but is now limited to 5 targets.

Marque enflammée gained a new rank Marque enflammée that causes it to leave a DoT on the target for a small amount of damage.

Pointes démoniaques has been buffed, giving 75% of our agility as armor instead of 60%.

Mastery has been increased from 20% base to 24%.

Good

Baseline Dévastation gangrenée gives us another Fury spender as well as interactions with some new talents.

Talents have been reworked so that we no longer have to choose between Damage and Survivability, and our Survivability is less reliant on random procs.

Démoniaque allows us to consistently control when we want Métamorphose up and no longer competes with Bombe spirituelle on the same row.

We gained a little bit more survivability during Active Mitigation uptime relative to BfA due to the changes to Pointes démoniaques and Mastery.

Bad

Unless we take the Bombe spirituelle talent, we will be entirely reliant on the low damage from Aura d’immolation and Sigil de feu in order to hold aggro in AoE situations due to the 5 target cap on Division de l’âme.

Sigils are our only form of group utility and one of our core sigils, Sigil de chaînes is a talent rather than being baseline. This could be replaced by a talent that has an effect on all our Sigils like the other two talents such as increasing the radius of effect, making the row dependent on content. Some other active form of utility like a stun or group defensive would help round out the spec.

Mastery is effectively just Agility in another form and has no interesting interaction with our kit. It makes Pointes démoniaques stronger when active, which is generally unnecessary. A rework to make it affect gameplay in some fashion would make it stronger and more rewarding. For example, bring back Douloureuse in some form, or Nourrir le démon as part of Mastery allowing a feedback loop that incentivizes proper gameplay.

Soul pickup from movement and in situations where we are up against terrain causing Souls to spawn inside us is still an issue. It causes us to lose DPS when playing Bombe spirituelle, and lose survivability when playing any other build since we are unable to control consumption.

Many of our talents, both old and new are still never going to be taken due to one talent in each row being excessively powerful.

We have 3 talents here which provide some increase to mobility, along with some damage. Frappe abyssale was merged with Déferlante de flammes, but we lost some quality of life in having the bonus 10 yard range removed. It will still be the strongest pick outside of some niche builds where Flammes déchirantes may be taken. Gangrelame is still a dead talent due to requiring an enemy target to charge to, and costing extra GCDs while generating Fury but no Souls, which are our core resource.

This row contains talents that provide survivability in general. However, Retombées is still the only talent that provides a significant increase, as well as some damage through the souls generated. Division de l’âme’s base heal is so low that Festin d’âmes is insignificant, and the HoT is overwritten on every cast. Brûlé vif only works in AoE situations, but spreads too slowly to matter, and if the targets with Marque enflammée on them die, it stops spreading.

We again have talents that provide survivability with some damage. Bombe spirituelle will be the default pick due to a significant damage and healing increase, with Chair calcinée having some uses when combined with Flammes déchirantes for a pure ST defensive situation. Armure infernale is unlikely to see play because of our base armor being too low for it to matter, while in situations where we have Pointes démoniaques or Métamorphose up, our armor is high enough that a 20% increase is insignificant.

This row has no clear theme. Fracture will likely be default due to providing burst souls for Bombe spirituelle, with Nourrir le démon being taken for situations where Pointes démoniaques uptime is critical or when we need to heal a constant flow of damage, thus requiring Entaille for Soul generation. Déchirement de l’âme is close to useless and will never be taken due to how little offensive power we have translating into small amounts of leech.

This row contains utility regarding our Sigils. Sigil de chaînes will be the default for any mob control situations, while Sigils focalisés is for a very minor DPS increase when combined with Frappe abyssale. Sigils accélérés currently has no function.

This row contains defensive options. Démoniaque will be the default due to how powerful Métamorphose is. What typically kills tanks is spike damage, rather than sustained, so a powerful cooldown is generally stronger than some consistent damage smoothing as provided by Saccageur du Vide. Barrière d’âme provides a function similar to, but weaker than Démoniaque, and requires spending Souls which we would rather use on Bombe spirituelle, due to the the extreme defensive gain from Métamorphose.

This row also provides defensive options. Dernier recours will still be the primary pick, due to the power of a Cheat Death in progression content. Rempart délabré overlaps functionality with Demonic, stacking the cooldowns, thus making it less appealing, while Extraction de masse has too long of a cooldown considering it provides a heal equivalent to one Bombe spirituelle. However, it may have a niche as a damage talent in AoE situations where Dernier recours isn’t needed.

UglyEntailleNourrir le démonNourrir le démonAura d’immolationRetombéesShad'har l'InsatiableDévastation du CrépusculeFouet du VideForce du gardienPolyvalentGloutonnerieDivision de l’âmeBombe spirituelleDivision de l’âmeEntailleFractureEntailleBombe spirituelleBombe spirituelleFractureBombe spirituelleDivision de l’âmeDivision de l’âmeDivision de l’âmeBombe spirituelleBombe spirituelleFragilitéDivision de l’âmeBombe spirituelleDivision de l’âmeFestin d’âmesBombe spirituelleFragilitéDivision de l’âmeBombe spirituelleBombe spirituelleSigil de feuAura d’immolationRetombéesDivision de l’âmeBombe spirituelleEntailleDivision de l’âmeSigil de feuAura d’immolationFractureEntailleEntailleFractureSigil de feuAura d’immolationPointes démoniaquesNourrir le démonMétamorphoseMarque enflamméePointes démoniaquesNourrir le démonPointes démoniaquesMétamorphoseMaîtrise du blocageBouclier du vertueuxPointes démoniaquesVision de perfectionMétamorphoseGloutonnerieMétamorphoseDémoniaqueDévastation gangrenéeMétamorphosePointes démoniaquesMétamorphoseMarque enflamméeBrûlé vifPointes démoniaquesNourrir le démonMétamorphoseCovenantsKyrianClass AbilityDécret élyséenGloutonnerieSigils accélérésSigil de chaînesGenericInvocation de régisseurÉnergie nulleVenthyrClass AbilityMarque immoraleMarque enflamméeMétamorphoseMétamorphoseGenericPorte des ombresNecrolordClass AbilityOffrande aux flammesGenericChair recomposéeOffrande aux flammesNight FaeClass AbilityLa traqueGenericForme d’âmePorte des ombresDécret élyséenFlammes déchirantesChair calcinéeSouillure de RazelikhDécret élyséenDécret élyséenMarque immoraleMétamorphoseLegendariesGeneral Legendaries

Renforcement de demi-géant - Absolutely useless. In no situation would we ever need a movement speed or melee range boost, and increased size can actually be detrimental, making it harder to judge mechanics and positioning.

L’heure la plus sombre - Giving us a defensive group cooldown with no way to control when it is dropped is bad. There are many situations where we could potentially drop to 35% due to an external factor but not be in any danger, so this will never be used outside of some possibility of a niche situation where we can drop health for a raid cooldown before a mechanic.

Faveur de Regard-noir - Quite likely to be the only useful legendary, this will provide us with approximately 4.5% increased uptime on Métamorphose when taking the Démoniaque talent, which is likely to be our default talent choice in Shadowlands. While it is random, it provides us with a similar effect to Gloutonnerie and can proc off of itself, allowing us to extend Métamorphose duration. Unfortunately, it will still not be strong enough to make up for the large Mitigation gaps we're likely to see.

Angoisse collective - Seems interesting, but not likely to be very strong. For Vengeance, it will summon an allied Havoc Demon Hunter that casts Rayon accablant. It has potential to deal quite a bit of damage depending on tuning, but provides no defensive benefits. In addition, it always spawns to your right and is locked in place, similar to Canon mobile kultirassien, so it can completely miss, especially if you need to move or turn to follow a target.

Havoc Legendary

Bombardement gangrené - If this works for Vengeance despite being categorized as a Havoc Legendary, it has some potential for extra threat in AoE, especially if the additional glaive portion stacks. Unfortunately, it looks like as of the current build, legendaries are spec-locked.

Vengeance Legendaries

Âme flamboyante - A reworked form of Kirel Narak from Legion, rather than reducing the cooldown on enemies hit by Aura d’immolation, it reduces the cooldown of Marque enflammée for every Soul consumed by Division de l’âme. This would only ever be taken if playing the Flammes déchirantes/Chair calcinée combination in a pure Single Target encounter for maximum uptime on Marque enflammée. The vast majority of the time, we will be playing Bombe spirituelle and preferring to consume all Souls with that, so this legendary would have no effect whatsoever.

Souillure de Razelikh - The effect from Protège-bras égarés du Souilleur in Legion, which was basically never used. We only press Division de l’âme once every 6 GCDs, so it's approximately 50% cooldown reduction on a Sigil in the best case, and reducing the cooldown of a random Sigil isn't particularly helpful. The only way to control the cooldown reduction is to not use any other Sigil than the one we want a reduction on. Depending on tuning, there's a possibility of using it with the Kyrian covenant and never using any Sigil outside of Décret élyséen for maximum damage, but it would likely still be worse than just playing Bombe spirituelle.

Fortification de gangreflamme - The effect from Cape de gangreflammes in Legion. Passive magic reduction is nice, but unlikely to see use in most encounters. If anything, it might be taken in some raid encounters where there is a lot of consistent rot damage, but it's unlikely to be more useful than Faveur de Regard-noir.

Esprit de la flamme noire - The effect from Esprit de la flamme noire in Legion. This was hardly ever chosen in Legion, and seems like it won't be in Shadowlands either. Without taking Frappe abyssale, it won't stack quickly enough to do the full damage or healing on each brand, and the only use would be in AoE to burst down a priority target. If encounters or dungeons are designed around this, it might be useful but in the past they haven't been.

Overall Evaluation of LegendariesPointes démoniaquesMétamorphoseDivision de l’âmeMarque enflamméeClosingDévastation gangrenéeDivision de l’âme

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