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Why is there no love for the Draenei
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Post by
Mesoforte
Maybe we should consider the shapeshifting more drug highs than actual shapeshifting. I'm very suspicious when I cast ghost wolf, and shaman are pretty well known for using herbs to achieve specific effects.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
The stealth for the current cat forms look pretty much the same (as little as I use them on my druid due to laziness). You would really need a rogue to show off the Draenei stealth animation.That's the thing: I think druid would be somewhat more thematically appropriate (rogue would need outright justification, as opposed to explanation), and the feral forms
themselves
would be epic.
However, as you said, feral animations are all the same. And draenei stealth animations are...well,
see
for
yourself
. So...while I'd still prefer druid, rogue would be acceptable...as long as there was some Jedi/
Lamont Cranston
-
expy
warrior-monk explanation.
Bleh, we need to abduct some game designers to get it implemented.Heh heh heh...
Wow, that was ages ago. :S But it always involved a totem.Well, it involved
tracking down
totems which then summoned furbolg spirits. At least one of said spirits appeared to be a druid, and appeared to be able to apply shapeshifts to others. (Possible implication that furbolgs see druids and shaman as two sides of the same coin, as it were?)
Post by
Adamsm
Wow, that was ages ago. :S But it always involved a totem.Well, it involved
tracking down
totems which then summoned furbolg spirits. At least one of said spirits appeared to be a druid, and appeared to be able to apply shapeshifts to others. (Possible implication that furbolgs see druids and shaman as two sides of the same coin, as it were?)That's what I was considering... I still don't want Draenei druids.... but, I guess I'm open to the idea.
Post by
503637
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Post by
Adamsm
Retcon is a major change in lore from the current idea of it.
Blizz should have kept the Draenei a more pure Race allowing them to be Paladins and Preists of course because of their connection with the light and Mages too I guess ( that pushin it). I love my Draenei warrior to death. I like the idea of playing a race that only plays a very select few classes. makes me feel more unique.Draenei are one of the strongest pure magical races out there; that's what drew the Legion to Argus in the first place, so Mage works very well with their race. Read Unbroken to learn how they got their shamanism start. They only learned the power of Light from the 25 thousand years spent at the side of the Naaru.
Post by
Monday
Retcon is a major change in lore from the current idea of it.
Blizz should have kept the Draenei a more pure Race allowing them to be Paladins and Preists of course because of their connection with the light and Mages too I guess ( that pushin it). I love my Draenei warrior to death. I like the idea of playing a race that only plays a very select few classes. makes me feel more unique.Draenei are one of the strongest pure magical races out there; that's what drew the Legion to Argus in the first place, so Mage works very well with their race. Read Unbroken to learn how they got their shamanism start. They only learned the power of Light from the 25 thousand years spent at the side of the Naaru.
It was 25000 years? (anyone know how long they were on Draenor? It seems like it must be a little longer than 300 years or so for Auchindoun to be 'old' when Ner'zhul was young.)
Post by
Mesoforte
Retcon is a major change in lore from the current idea of it.
Blizz should have kept the Draenei a more pure Race allowing them to be Paladins and Preists of course because of their connection with the light and Mages too I guess ( that pushin it). I love my Draenei warrior to death. I like the idea of playing a race that only plays a very select few classes. makes me feel more unique.Draenei are one of the strongest pure magical races out there; that's what drew the Legion to Argus in the first place, so Mage works very well with their race. Read Unbroken to learn how they got their shamanism start. They only learned the power of Light from the 25 thousand years spent at the side of the Naaru.
It was 25000 years? (anyone know how long they were on Draenor? It seems like it must be a little longer than 300 years or so for Auchindoun to be 'old' when Ner'zhul was young.)
Draenor wasn't the first planet they went to.
Post by
Monday
Retcon is a major change in lore from the current idea of it.
Blizz should have kept the Draenei a more pure Race allowing them to be Paladins and Preists of course because of their connection with the light and Mages too I guess ( that pushin it). I love my Draenei warrior to death. I like the idea of playing a race that only plays a very select few classes. makes me feel more unique.Draenei are one of the strongest pure magical races out there; that's what drew the Legion to Argus in the first place, so Mage works very well with their race. Read Unbroken to learn how they got their shamanism start. They only learned the power of Light from the 25 thousand years spent at the side of the Naaru.
It was 25000 years? (anyone know how long they were on Draenor? It seems like it must be a little longer than 300 years or so for Auchindoun to be 'old' when Ner'zhul was young.)
Draenor wasn't the first planet they went to.
Yes I knew that. I was asking how long they were on Draenor.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
I really think that Blizz should have kept the Draenei a more pure Race allowing them to be Paladins and Preists of course because of their connection with the light and Mages too I guess ( that pushin it).Because you're new here, I will
not
tear into you for claiming that draenei mage is "pushing it."
Instead, I will offer a brief explanation: Draenei have had magi since before they had priests and paladins. And that's saying something.
Additionally, draenei actually have a higher starting agility than dwarves...and the one "draenei rogue" concept that I've seen and liked explained them off as "warrior monks" (read: martial artists).
Yes I knew that. I was asking how long they were on Draenor.The orcs had been
aware
of them for 200 years or so as of
Rise of the Horde
. However, it's been suggested that they'd been there longer than that.
Post by
Adamsm
Rise of the Horde says 200 Orc generations was when Oshu'gun first 'appeared' on Draenor(in other words crashed). But I can't find a solid source that says how long a generation is... but it must have be long enough for them to set up Shattrah, Temple of Karabor and the Farahlon towns.
But yeah, they landed on many different planets; and those planets were either wiped clean of life, or the sentient's were conscripted into the Legion.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Rise of the Horde says 200 Orc generations was when Oshu'gun first 'appeared' on Draenor(in other words crashed). But I can't find a solid source that says how long a generation is... but it must have be long enough for them to set up Shattrah, Temple of Karabor and the Farahlon towns.Actually, it was "200 summers" (read: 200 years), not 200 generations.
But yeah, they landed on many different planets; and those planets were either wiped clean of life, or the sentient's were conscripted into the Legion.Leading lots and lots of anti-fans to outright
blame
them for the destruction of said worlds.
Post by
Adamsm
But yeah, they landed on many different planets; and those planets were either wiped clean of life, or the sentient's were conscripted into the Legion.Leading lots and lots of anti-fans to outright
blame
them for the destruction of said worlds.
Well... least that semi-fixes the Retcon. Their still responsible for a large number of the races conscripted into the Legion... just as a side affect of the Hunters going for the Exiles instead of the Eredar intentionally corrupting and destroying the planets.
Actually, it was "200 summers" (read: 200 years), not 200 generations.Gah, need to re-read the book again.
Post by
503637
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Post by
Mesoforte
We've already covered the possibility of rogues with Akama though. He's a broken heavily involved in Black Temple and would make a decent lore jumping off point to introduce rogues.
Post by
503637
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Post by
Mesoforte
The first shaman trainers in the starting area for Draenei are Broken. If shaman did it, there's no reason rogues cannot. In fact, the leading shaman trainer is a broken inside Exodar. The difference between the two is completely irrelevant.
And Broken are still Draenei, they just were mutated by a demonic energy during the war with the orcs. Saying they aren't is akin to saying that a terrier isn't a dog but a lab is.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
And Broken are still Draenei, they just were mutated by a demonic energy during the war with the orcs. Saying they aren't is akin to saying that a terrier isn't a dog but a lab is.To be fair, some of the
Lost Ones
no longer consider themselves draenei (then again, they're not entirely sane). A good number of the Broken, on the other hand, want to become unmutated again.
But yeah, they're draenei. Maybe draenei the way Wretched are elves—as in, sickly little mutants—but you get my point.
Post by
503637
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
Bah! Its no use
Draenei Rogues would be lame.
And thats really why they werent made.
The fact that a race has no stealth is no reason to make something stupid.
Can any of you really say that a draenei Rogue would be cool and fun to play?
I vote no, never, ever.You keep saying that it's "lame" and "stupid"...which really adds up to "I don't like the idea, so I'm going to insult anyone who
does
by association." So...are you in this thread to contribute, or just to talk smack?
Post by
Vaeku
So Draenei Rogues are VERY ridiculous to me. That is probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard. They arent agile or sneaky or anything else rogue-ish. I personally cant see anyone making a Draenei rogue and thinking its cool. I know its all "To each their own" but really? Not to mention that a rogue is like the farthest from the way the Draenei think.
Now Draenei Druids arnt cool with me for the same reason Human Druids arnt cool with me. Heck I didnt even like the fact that Draenei could be Hunters or shaman ( I understand the shaman balance thing) I really think that Blizz should have kept the Draenei a more pure Race allowing them to be Paladins and Preists of course because of their connection with the light and Mages too I guess ( that pushin it). I love my Draenei warrior to death. I like the idea of playing a race that only plays a very select few classes. makes me feel more unique.
Okay, let's see here...
Draenei Warrior:
Makes sense, other than the fact that all races should be warriors, they need soldiers.
Draenei Paladin:
They're a very religious race and devoutly worship the Light.
Draenei Priest:
Same as with Paladin.
Draenei Mage:
They're one of the strongest magical races (in lore, not gameplay), and that's what drew the Legion to them. Also, they seem to be one of the few races that isn't corrupted by arcane magic. (possibly because of their connections to the Naaru and keeping them pure?)
Draenei Hunter:
Makes sense, they had to hunt to eat on Draenor (maybe Argus too), and they learned hunting from the Orcs before they were corrupted. Then when they arrived on Azeroth they were taught the art of taming beasts from the night elves.
Draenei Shaman:
From the "Unbroken" story.
Draenei Death Knight:
... I suppose it's somewhat plausible, there could have been a few Draenei that were killed and turned into DKs by the Lich King.
They should have never gave Horde Paladins and they should have never have given Alliance Shamans, it makes playing a certain side moot in my eyes. And while I love the worgens I think it was a bad race pick for the alliance or the horde. I do however love the goblin race.
I do sorta thing that they should have kept faction-specific classes, but at the same time it's not like both sides have equal paladins and shamans. I do like the worgen for alliance though, as for the horde it wouldn't make any sense.
I would like to see instead of a new xpac a new version of WoW ( Kinda like EQ2) with better graphics, because lets be onest its getting a little dated looking. Anyways that off topic sry :P
The graphics for WoW aren't THAT bad, and the reason why they don't look as realistic as, say, Aion or whatever, is because Blizzard wants WoW to be available to as many people as possible, so the game has to have low system requirements.
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