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Post by
Skreeran
Reagent Lords
Regent
LordsYou should here the way he way he misuse's homonym's. Theirs just no living with him.
You should hear the way you abuse spelling.I was being ironic.
The fact that you didn't get it illustrates how thick I spread the irony on.
Post by
Monday
The fact that you didn't get it illustrates how thick I spread the irony on.
Sometimes you seem so serious it is really hard to tell.
Post by
Skreeran
The fact that you didn't get it illustrates how thick I spread the irony on.
Sometimes you seem so serious it is really hard to tell.That's just how ironic I am.
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306612
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Monday
The fact that you didn't get it illustrates how thick I spread the irony on.
Sometimes you seem so serious it is really hard to tell.That's just how ironic I am.
Irony's dead.
I KILLED IT.
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Adamsm
Hm, still no vicious comments.
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306612
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Adamsm
Hm, still no vicious comments.
Adamsm I haet u <3
Bah, you don't count Sigma lol. But seriously, I'm surprised one of the Garrosh Haters/Thrall Lovers hasn't appeared to pick apart the post.
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632573
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Post by
Adamsm
Aye apparently I can...and apparently you couldn't find a flaw to pick through it.
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Adamsm
It's not my job to compensate for a neglected childhood.Rofl, best insult you could think of? Whatever. /salute
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Post by
taurenmoo812
What I'm having a hard time understanding, with so much thats been said in the last several months, is why people think whats happening to the horde in cataclysm to be a good thing.
Before cataclysm, the horde was a group of savage yet noble races, held together with honor and for all the right reasons, the orcs more then anything seemed to understand this. They stood together against all the dark forces in the world, and against the alliance, meeting them on the battlefield without any fear or doubt. And they formed bounds with the other races of the horde with that honor.
Now in cataclysm, the horde as gone from this, to now being hell bent on not just fighting the alliance, but destroying it, conquering the world, and burning anything in its wake. The orcs and Garrosh have gone from standing together with the other races through honor and brotherhood, to now demanding subjection from the other races, using fear to control it. Anything who said it wasn't going to be like the old horde, it is, simply as that, seeing what many orcs have done so far.
And yet, people think this is a good thing? I really don't get why.
The excuses seem to be:
'Garrosh horde is like the real horde should be!' And what is that, the real horde being a group of brutal killers who forsake there allies and break bonds of honor made, for the sake of killing things?
'Thralls horde made the horde soft, he made them into pussys, Garrosh makes them strong!' So soft that it couldn't stand against the legion, scourge and old gods, as well as the alliance at every angle, well at the same time knowing when to fight and when to stand.
And the horde was NEVER weak under Thrall, or afraid to face anything, and they were never pussies. They weren't stupid as hell savages either, like in the first war showed them to be.
'Garrosh makes sense as an orc leader!' And how does it make sense to have the orcs go back on themselves from the honor and free will they regained years before, instead, they revert back to being the same kind of marauding savages they were in the first war.
I honestly, can Not factor why people think the horde, the orcs more then anything, are better in cata. They've lost what made them the noble savage warriors with honor, to just being a marauding band of brutes again. What they gain in strength, they lost in just about everything else.
So why is this a good thing? The progression of lore? No, if anything, it reverts the lore, going backwards, because you know full well, the orcs are going to make so many screw ups in cata, there have to regain there lost honor once again, and history repeats itself.
Post by
hymer
I don't think I need 'excuses' to think what I think. At least not any more than you need them, moo. I'll answer those 'excuses' that seem to fit me.
'Garrosh horde is like the real horde should be!' And what is that, the real horde being a group of brutal killers who forsake there allies and break bonds of honor made, for the sake of killing things?
The 'real' Horde ought to look first to violence, not diplomacy. If I wanted diplomacy, I'd play Civ. If I wanted mushy feelings, I'd read Cartland.
I'm not interested in the Horde thriving. I want to see them
fighting
. Who cares that the Jedi are peaceloving diplomats? We wanna see them use those lightsabres!
I honestly, can Not factor why people think the horde, the orcs more then anything, are better in cata. They've lost what made them the noble savage warriors with honor, to just being a marauding band of brutes again. What they gain in strength, they lost in just about everything else.
All those other things were never that appealing in the Horde, at least to me. What appealed to me was savagery, and even downright
evil
. I never looked for heroes among the orcs (except perhaps in the ancient Greek sense), and finding them was jarring.
So why is this a good thing? The progression of lore? No, if anything, it reverts the lore, going backwards, because you know full well, the orcs are going to make so many screw ups in cata, there have to regain there lost honor once again, and history repeats itself.
The pendulum swings both ways. Stagnation isn't a good thing, especially for a game like WoW. You see a good thing coming to an end, I see a bad thing coming to an end. For the time being, at least. And I do see quite a bit of difference. This time, orcs are savage because they're savage. No more demonblood excuses.
Also note this: A creature that has not the capacity for both good and evil is not freewilled. It cannot choose. Orcs can choose. I just want them to choose savagery because it makes for an action-packed story. It allows me to play out the things I never get to do in real life: React with brute strength rather than tact and sensitivity.
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Post by
taurenmoo812
So why is this a good thing? The progression of lore? No, if anything, it reverts the lore, going backwards, because you know full well, the orcs are going to make so many screw ups in cata, there have to regain there lost honor once again, and history repeats itself.
I for one don't really think its a good thing, just a necessity.
If Garrosh's lead didn't make so much bad out of the Horde recently, he would be what the Horde needs, someone that is more inclined to wage war at the Alliance.
But why? ok, the alliance are getting more agressive against the horde now in cata, but honestly, do we even know if it was the alliance agresstion that sparked it, or if was what Garrosh wanted to make happen in the first place, and the first sign of any agression from the alliance had him go 'RAAWRR, KILL THEM ALL!'?
As attacking the alliance to fight back against them it is needed to be agressive against them. But to drive the orcs back down that same path they did before, is it worth to the point of them becoming 'that' horde again? The whole reason I like the horde is because they did overcome that, as I said, playing an orc knowing it was more then just some lord of the rings flat character made it more appealing.
Also hymer, I pretty much scrolled over your reply, not taking any mind to it since your someone who only wants to play evil characters, and take any oppertunity to have reason to, rather then taking wind of the better point of those characters.
The pendulum point though, yeah, it does swing both ways, and it also swings back to the same point to. So with that as your reasoning, you just have to agree this dark chapter for the horde in cata will swing back too.
Post by
Adamsm
It was the Cataclysm that sparked it; suddenly, major areas of the world are torn apart, supplies are disrupted, people are pushed out of their homelands, new aggressive creatures appear, and some of them just happen to look like the opposite faction.... it's a war torn world now. Maybe Garrosh shot first, maybe Wrynn did....but more then likely it was Twilight Cultist manipulating everything from behind the scenes, and before you yell objection, apparently there were Cultists hidden in the Horde away from Thrall so it doesn't matter who the Warchief is for that.
Blame the writers, not the characters.
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