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Post by FarseerLolotea

Garrosh reeks of Wesley. Also, he insulted half the wolves in Durotar when he called Sylvanas a "b."

Post by Vaeku

Incoming wall of text...

I think people are forgetting that the orcs are, and always have been, a warrior race. Yes, they were shamanistic once, but that doesn't mean they were "peaceful." They aren't tauren, they're orcs, and Garrosh is a perfect example of what it means to be an orc in the new Horde. Live and die in glorious battle, with honor.

The problem is that Garrosh is TOO militaristic. It's strange, in BC he was depressed and such because he thought his father was a traitor (and technically, he WAS a traitor until he killed Mannoroth). But then, once he learns of his father's heroism, he does a complete 180º and basically TURNS into his father, just without the demon blood. He's basically like "I'm depressed my father was a traitor and drank demon blood... Oh, he killed the demon and redeemed our people? Awesome! Now I'm going to be just like him!"

And sure, we get a few hints in Cata that he has honor and such... But honestly, I'm not buying it. It's part of the orc race to have honor, but there's a difference between orcish honor and say, human honor. Orcish honor/culture is centered around war, whereas with humans, it's... not (not really sure how to describe human honor). And the thing is, Garrosh is too much like the old horde, just without the demon blood. And IMO, that's why we hate him. He's too reminiscent of the old horde, and too war/military-oriented.

In addition, Garrosh isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He doesn't understand diplomacy. And again, I understand about orcs and honor and war, but the orcs (pre-Legion intervention) didn't attack the draenei at all. They stayed away from each other. But Garrosh is LOOKING for trouble. He expands further into Ashenvale and provokes the Alliance, and for that they expand into Southern Barrens. And I love it because he didn't see it coming. Like an idiot, he didn't think Jaina would expand into their territory. And like an idiot, he didn't think Sylvanas would pull of what she would do. And like an idiot, he figured that everyone in the Horde would bow down to him unconditionally just because he's acting Warchief and Thrall "gave his blessing".

I love Vol'jin and Sylvanas for their blatant disregard for Garrosh. Vol'jin not really supporting him because his allegiance was to Thrall is brilliant, and Sylvanas' actions are just... badass.

TLDR: Garrosh is a blind fool.

Post by FarseerLolotea

But Garrosh is LOOKING for trouble. He expands further into Ashenvale and provokes the Alliance, and for that they expand into Southern Barrens. And I love it because he didn't see it coming. Like an idiot, he didn't think Jaina would expand into their territory. That's because he's rather like a lot of players: He thinks that Jaina's a wuss (although, to be fair, her recent character derailment made her kind of look like one), and is surprised that when she gets pushed, she'll push right back.

And like an idiot, he figured that everyone in the Horde would bow down to him unconditionally just because he's acting Warchief and Thrall "gave his blessing".Rumor has it that he tried to have Thrall offed.

Then again, rumor has it that Thrall is setting Hecksqueak up for a fall (and a big one at that).

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Post by FarseerLolotea

With the amount of forces at her disposal, she's getting backup from Stormwind for sure.So? Theramore is technically a sovereign nation (IIRC), but it's still allied with Stormwind.

So that's not a real surprise. And my point still stands: just because a character is neutral good and doesn't want to fight doesn't mean she won't fight back if someone starts trouble.

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Post by Adamsm

alexstrasza already has a grudge against the orcs for the whole "her dragon flight got enslaved while she was held captive" thing.No, she doesn't; she's forgiven the Orcs for what happened during the Second war. Says as much at Wyrmrest Temple.

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Post by Adamsm

Huh, Must of missed that. But still, i think if alexstrasza saw the greens fighting with the orcs she wouldn't just pat them on the back and say good luck.

If the orcs attacked the Green Flight, the Taurens and the Trolls would probably withdraw in disgust, as both of them are connected to the Dream as well with the Druids. But, the dragon's don't interfere in mortal problems, only when it's something massive and possibly world shattering; aka the scourge, the Legion, and so on.

Post by Anmity

any true Fan of Thrall would trust his judgement, and for the time being, I will.
In before taurenmoo! :P

hey :P believe it or not, I'm a HUGE fan of Thrall myself, almost on par with taurenmoo on that regard.

and yes, I want garrosh's leadership to be temporal, I do sicerely hope Thrall returns as our warchief by the end of cataclysm, (or sooner if posible)

In relation to the temporal lobe? How?

Oh, and I am a huge fan of Garrosh

Adjective

temporal (not comparable)

1. of or relating to time
2. of limited time; not perpetual
3. of or relating to the material world; not spiritual
4. lasting a short time only

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Post by Adamsm

Green is the over all taint; the red eyes are the start. The Red skinned ones are those who constantly drink the Fel Blood instead of just one taste.

Post by Anmity

I'm not sure, but didn't he drink Mannoroth's blood in Azeroth, in order to kill Cenarius? Or this this Blizz's "mistake" that the orcs aren't still red in Warcrafts 1, 2 and 3? Or, is there perhaps an explenation why they are just green, not red?

That's the second time Grom drank the blood of Mannoroth.

Post by GVHB

Generally, I actually like Garrosh... I don't totally get where this all hate has become against him; I think his a just another type of orc - furious and warmongering... But that doesn't mean he is any "worse" orc than the wise and peaceful orc, like Thrall. No, I'm not saying that orcs like Thrall would be. I just love orcs anyway, were they raving mad killers or peace-loving shamans... Both has good and bad sides.

some background info to get this rolling

Garrosh Hellscream, Son of Grommash Hellscream (Giant's Heart in orcish) chieftain of the Warsong Orcs, and now Acting Warchief of the horde.

long before the orcs came to Azeroth, his father Grom was universally reviled as the first of the orcs who drank from the demonic blood of Mannoroth the destroyer, Liutenant of the legion, and by doing so, became the first of the corrupted horde to shackle himself to the legion.

I'm not sure, but didn't he drink Mannoroth's blood in Azeroth, in order to kill Cenarius? Or this this Blizz's "mistake" that the orcs aren't still red in Warcrafts 1, 2 and 3? Or, is there perhaps an explenation why they are just green, not red?

Grom drank Mannoroth's blood twice. First in Draenor before the invasion of Stormwind and then he drank the blood again to kill Cenarius in Ashenvale.
I think for an orc to transform into a fel orc he need to drink demon blood more than once. Most of the green orcs of the Horde only drank the blood once.

Post by Anmity

I think for an orc to transform into a fel orc he need to drink demon blood more than once. Most of the green orcs of the Horde only drank the blood once.

WoWWiki states that fel orcs are created by either consuming large amounts of demon's blood, or by consuming demon's blood several times, or both. It is written as speculation though, and speculation is all we have on this subject since Blizzard has never said anything to clarify what exactly is required to become a fel orc.

It should also be noted that consuming demon's blood is not required to become tainted (green) orcs.

Post by Skreeran

He wants all of Kalimdor because he thinks that the orcs deserve it more than the elves.

He says specifically that "Kalidmor should belong to the Horde... all of Kalimdor." That's going beyond just what the Horde needs. I believe that the reason he says that is because the Night Elves have insulted the Horde in their resistance to the Horde's lumbering operations. To Garrosh, the Night Elves are saying "You're so easy to beat that we'll fight over a little wood," which he takes as an underestimation of the Horde.

Honestly, I do believe he's stupid, but not THAT stupid. When he says Kalimdor should belong to the Horde, he's not just referring to the Night Elves. He's referring to Theramore as well, and possibly even the neutral factions. When he speaks of all of Kalimdor, he speaks of the entire continent. He's fighting a war on two fronts, and only concentrating on one (why, I do not know, although it may be because it's the front with the most success and the most troops), and getting stomped bad on the other. I'm thinking it's mostly because they have more of a history of conflict with the NEs rather than Theramore. Now, if you pull out the place where he says specifically that it's because they insulted the Horde for one reason or another, we can move the discussion forward.I just don't think he takes Theramore seriously, at least not its offensive capabilities.They don't have a lot of land and they don't have a lot of men, so he just writes them off.

I'm sticking with my "it's more than just the wood" theory.

I think people are forgetting that the orcs are, and always have been, a warrior race. Yes, they were shamanistic once, but that doesn't mean they were "peaceful." They aren't tauren, they're orcs, and Garrosh is a perfect example of what it means to be an orc in the new Horde. Live and die in glorious battle, with honor.I disagree on a certain point.

"I think people are forgetting that the orcs are, and always have been, a warrior race. Yes, they were shamanistic once, but that doesn't mean they were "peaceful." They aren't tauren, they're orcs, and Garrosh is a perfect example of what it means to be an orc in the days shortly before the Horde. Live and die in glorious battle, with honor."

I wrote a thesis on that.Garrosh reeks of Wesley. Also, he insulted half the wolves in Durotar when he called Sylvanas a "b."Nah, authors want us to like their Weslies. It seems obvious to me that Blizzard has wanted us to hate Garrosh up to this point. At least the majority of us.

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