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Post by
ArgentSun
Without a doubt, the most controversial character in Cataclysm, Garrosh Hellscream has suffered countless hate threads on not only these forums, but every WoW-related forum that exists. And because it's getting not only hectic and annoying, but also counterproductive to monitor all of them, here is one thread to contain all of your hatred and spite!
Feel free to rage (or send your loving kisses) in the general direction of the new (and temporary) Warchief of the Horde - but keep it in this thread.
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Post by
Rankkor
some background info to get this rolling
Garrosh Hellscream, Son of Grommash Hellscream (Giant's Heart in orcish) chieftain of the Warsong Orcs, and now Acting Warchief of the horde.
long before the orcs came to Azeroth, his father Grom was universally reviled as the first of the orcs who drank from the demonic blood of Mannoroth the destroyer, Liutenant of the legion, and by doing so, became the first of the corrupted horde to shackle himself to the legion.
After this, while most orcs crossed over to azeroth to begin the first and second wars, Garrosh was left behind, with the sickly orcs of Garadar, there to live in shame knowing that it was his father who began the long bitter road of damnation that would cripple the orcs for generations to come.
Living his entire childhood with this Stigma, Garrosh had developed a low self esteem, and deemed himself unworthy of leadership, fearfull that his actions would bring much dishonor to his clan.
It was 20 years later, that an Orcish Shaman of the Frostwolf clan, Thrall son of Durotan, Warchief of the horde, Liberator of the orcs, traveled to Garadar to meet his grandmother, and to redeem Grom's Image in the eyes of the Mag'har orcs.
the one who had been seen as a traitor for so many years was revealed to be their savior, for indeed Grom had sacrificed his life fighting the demon lord Mannorth, and killed him to end the curse once and for all, and in doing so, sacrificed his own life to secure the future of the orcs.
it has been several years since that life-changing revelation, and Garrosh has evolved (or depending on your view, Devolved) from a depresive young man, into a militaristic orcish leader. His view of the horde as an unstoppable war-machine clashes violently with Thrall's pacifist views, and for a long time Garrosh time and time again challenged Thrall, to take a more active position regarding the alliance.
starting in patch 4.0, Garrosh will be the defacto leader of both the orcs, and the horde, serving as an acting Warchief in the place of Thrall.
the exact details are unknown ATM, but this post will be updated as the info becomes avaliable.
Post by
Arathian
cheers argent.
dear Garrosh: Sylvaanas is awesome. !@#$ off
Post by
Rankkor
while I dislike garrosh quite a bit, it's only because the writers MADE us hate him, he was a really neutral character in TBC, who kinda had my simpaty (I know what is like to have a bad rep because of your relatives :S)
in WOTLK they added Varian, and made a 180º on Garrosh, to get the Horde Vs Alliance crap roll again (a move that I disaprove) and in order to do that, they had to make Varian a Jerk, and Garrosh a Jerk, wich led to their frequent clashes in the violet citadel and the argent tournament.
in CATA however, their mission is complete, and now that the hate between the factions is cemented, both leaders get some loving by the writers (by having nice moments attached to each)
for the time being I still don't like neither varian nor garrosh, but that is subject to change.
and here is a little bone to explain why
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIqSdOP44ao
A: Thrall chose Garrosh, he didn't auto-placed himself as leader.
B: Thrall trusts Garrosh, he even admitted that while under the older leadership of himself, the horde was crumbling, and new blood is needed to reignite the pride of the older horde.
C: Thrall has faith that while Garrosh IS a bone-head, he also has the potential to be more than JUST a bone-head, (and BTW, that little quest in stone-talon when Garrosh punishes that general who behaves without honor proves that the little prick isn't a completely lost cause)
D: Thrall recognizes that the horde will irrevokably, and permanently WILL change as a result of this desition, but it was a desition he did not made lightly, u can bet that he consulted the spirits, and acted with the best interest of the horde in his heart.
but the most important point of them all
his quote......
"I'm trusting
YOU
(this one is adressed not just at Vol'jin but as we, the horde players too) and the other leaders, to NOT let this divide our people. You are stronger than that."
any true Fan of Thrall would trust his judgement, and for the time being, I will.
Post by
Gnub
any true Fan of Thrall would trust his judgement, and for the time being, I will.
In before taurenmoo! :P
Post by
Rankkor
any true Fan of Thrall would trust his judgement, and for the time being, I will.
In before taurenmoo! :P
hey :P believe it or not, I'm a HUGE fan of Thrall myself, almost on par with taurenmoo on that regard.
and yes, I want garrosh's leadership to be temporal, I do sicerely hope Thrall returns as our warchief by the end of cataclysm, (or sooner if posible)
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Post by
ArgentSun
Because various users like to make a new Garrosh thread every 2-3 days. Now I can legitimately lock and/or delete them.
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306612
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Post by
Gnub
Because various users like to make a new Garrosh thread every 2-3 days. Now I can legitimately lock and/or delete them.
Always about
you
, isn't it? :D
Anyway, I welcome this thread, just by that point. I'm guessing someone will, at one point, draw forth a list of 10+ threads of 10+ pages, that can be used as material.
Post by
Skreeran
I've tackled Garrosh before in an attempt to write his character, and I can say that I sympathize with his motives and goals, if not his means.
He really does love his people and he wants what's best for them. The Horde is living in a desert at the moment, without any nearby source of lumber (at least until Cataclysm), while the Night Elves are sitting up there in prosperity and refusing to share the trees that the Horde needs for shelter and warmth. At least, that's how Garrosh sees it. What he wants is prosperity and happiness for his people. I share his sentiments here.
Garrosh's solution to this, however, is something I do not agree with. Garrosh's solution to his people not having enough resources to meet their needs is to simply take the resources from the people who refused to share them. If the Night Elves won't give up their trees willingly, the orcs will take them, and they will take more than just the trees for the Elves arrogance. To Garrosh, it's not just that the elves are refusing resources from people who need them, but they are in fact challenging the Horde and insulting them. By openly fighting to prevent the harvesting of lumber, the Night Elves are saying that they can defeat the Horde, and use force to keep the orcs from taking something that they need. To Garrosh, the Night Elves underestimate the Horde: they think that the Horde is too weak to take what it needs. And because the Elves are insulting the Horde in this way, he wants to take more than just lumber from them. They don't deserve the utopian natural wealth that they have. He wants to take Kalimdor from them, and to give it to his people, who deserve it because of their strength and the fact that they have weathered through famine and desert heat and cold nights. In his mind, the way things are is all wrong... the strong, proud, noble orcs are living in a harsh, sparse desert, while the spoiled, stingy elves are living it up in a massive forest with more lumber and game than they know what to do with. So he intends to fix the situation.
As I said, Garrosh has good motivations. He just wants what is best for his people. I can sympathize with that. I do not, however, support his methods.
Post by
Adamsm
Heh, I still think Deepholme will be phased, and the more quests you do there, the more you'll repair the damage done by Deathwing to the 'World Pillar' and the sooner Thrall can move on to the next location, and get ready to take back leadership of the Horde, and Garrosh can take his place as the right hand orc.
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Post by
Skreeran
Trying to roflstomp the NEs would definitely work in his favor, although with Darnassus having heavy natural defenses, it'd be best to have solid defenses based on repelling them. With Darnassus, you can afford a war of attrition, as slaying enough NEs may make them consider that it's not worth attacking the Horde (as they're not a very reproductive race), whereas the more driven Eastern Kingdoms races wouldn't falter in face of this.Starve Teldrassil out? You could blockade the tree, and prevent any imports or exports. I doubt the tree has enough food to feed the entire elven race indefinitely, and they'd quickly begin to suffer once they stop getting resources from the outside. All he'd need to do is blockade them and pillage the rest of the elves in Ashenvale until the Night Elves are willing to cut a deal and surrender peacefully.
That would explain the large naval presence in Zoram'gar very well...
Stormwind would send naval reinforcements, of course, but it seems that the Horde has a big enough navy in Cata to keep Stormwind at bay for a very long time, especially once you factor in the Blood Elves' and Forsaken's respective fleets.
But I suppose that's beside the point. The point is, Garrosh thinks that the orcs deserve what the Nigght Elves have far more than the Night Elves do, so he plans to take it, and more as punishment for the Night Elves arrogance in insulting the Horde.
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Post by
Skreeran
But I suppose that's beside the point. The point is, Garrosh thinks that the orcs deserve what the Nigght Elves have far more than the Night Elves do, so he plans to take it, and more as punishment for the Night Elves arrogance in insulting the Horde.
Deserved doesn't have anything to do with it. The orcs need wood, there's woods there. Let's go cut them down. That's always been Garrosh's way. It happens the trees are in what the Night Elves consider their territory (well, it is). It just so happens that the Night Elves are aligned with the Alliance. Once Garrosh takes over, he presses the effort in Ashenvale at the expense of the Southern Barrens (He probably thought Theramore would stay a neutral port, but Jaina's treaty is with Thrall, not him, and in fact I wouldn't be surprised if he ordered Brackenwall to attack Theramore and got roflstomped).My point is that it's about more than the wood now. It's not just that they need wood and he's only going to take what they need.
He wants all of Kalimdor because he thinks that the orcs deserve it more than the elves.
He says specifically that "Kalidmor should belong to the Horde... all of Kalimdor." That's going beyond just what the Horde needs. I believe that the reason he says that is because the Night Elves have insulted the Horde in their resistance to the Horde's lumbering operations. To Garrosh, the Night Elves are saying "You're so easy to beat that we'll fight over a little wood," which he takes as an underestimation of the Horde. Because of this insult to the Horde, he wants to destroy the Night Elves empire, shatter their confidence, show them once and for all that no one says 'no' to the Horde.
It's more than just going and getting lumber to him. He sees himself as defending the Horde's honor by utterly defeating an enemy that has insulted it.
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