New Warchief?

Post by Rankkor

Ok, back from church, I can now finish my previous post.

Unless you stop loving elves, you're just unreliable peroid.

HA! now there's the definition of Irony :P

YOU question my credibility.

YOU who when shown proof in the books of how evil arthas was, just dismissed it as "games are more canon than books" but when shown alliance defeats and horde victories just dismisses it as "books are more canon than games"

YOU who just now, dismissed every single horde victory as "metzen is biased, those don't count"

YOU who write stuff like this where you say that just because the STR 2handed Sha-touched weapon is an axe, it must mean blizzard is biased towards the horde (lol what? There is a long list of alliance axe-wielding warriors that would love to have a word with you)

and YOU dare to say that "I" have a questionable credibility, and am Unreliable.

there is only one possible answer to that.

Edit: because I love to hammer a point down, here's two more axe-wielding alliance fighters.

Post by Lordplatypus

That was game mechanics.

Axe=Axe Proficency=Orc Racial
We had that way too much.

And if it was the godmode you portrayed it as, why did they need forsaken protection since the frozen throne (Which was after it was restored)?

EDIT: By the way, it's shown that halford wrymbane uses and axe too.

Post by Adamsm

That type of comment is just kinda dumb dude.

So does that mean that any type of Mace is over powered and shows bias towards Dwarves and Humans? Or is it only the Horde racials that show bias in your view point?

Post by Rankkor

And if it was the godmode you portrayed it as, why did they need forsaken protection since the frozen throne?.

Hmmmm hello? have you even PLAYED the game? the sunwell was EXTINGUISHED by the scourge when they brought back Kel'thuzad, it was tainted too, so it was useless to feed the high elves which is the reason they started to use more extreme methods to sate their addiction.

(Which was after it was restored)

WTF? Dude, the well only got restored after TBC. Up until that point the entire reason the blood elves became so desperate in the first place, is because they (along with the high elves) are addicted to magic, and their main supply had been extinguished.

The well only got reignited back at the end of TBC, and today, the well is FAR MORE POWERFUL than it was ever before, because on top of having the primordial magic of the well of eternity, it also has the raw power of a naaru in it.

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Post by morginar

Please, Blizzard MUST be alliance alias with this racial
and this sha wep.

all jokes aside, the 1h str wepon is a sword. And who have the racial?

Honsetly i think that Blizzard wants to balance things.

Flithy pigs lose theremore,
The non steriod cretins lose dalaran.

And we have vilians on both sides (Jaina and Garrosh).

If it is only horde who can be the evil then this game truly have some bias on it is filthy one...

What was the topic now again? I realy like to see Kael'thas as the warchief of the horde and Illidan as King over the alliance. That would be a nice twist of things if you ignore the whole they are dead part...

Post by Rankkor

Flithy pigs lose theremore,
The non steriod cretins lose dalaran.

And we have vilians on both sides (Jaina and Garrosh).

I don't think that's a really fair comparison. On the attack on Theramoore the overwhelming majority of the population was able to evacuate with their lives intact, and while they lost their homes, they didn't lost their lives. There was barely any civilians left (if any at all) by the time the bomb hit.

Compare to the dalaran purge where it was the total opposite, Aethas in no uncertain terms says that the majority of the sunreavers were killed or incarcerated we only managed to get a really small minority out.

That and on Theramoore, the civilians were saved because one horde leader showed mercy. Nothing along those lines can be said about the dalaran purge, as both jaina and vereesa were pretty brutal and uncaring about how many lives would be lost.

YOU who write stuff like this where you say that just because the STR 2handed Sha-touched weapon is an axe, it must mean blizzard is biased towards the horde .

ROFL

Funny aint it?

And seriously platy, if you're gonna start complaining about every axe weapon in the game, should the horde players start complaining about all the sword, dagger, mace, and gun weapons in the game?

As far as PVE racial bonuses go, the alliance has a pretty onesided advantage over the horde, from the draenei and their huge hit bonus (that allows you to reforge that extra hit into something else) the worgens and their HUGELY POWERFUL 1% extra crit on everything, and the fact that they have more weapon masteries than the horde. Horde has mastery for 2handed axes, 1handed axes, and fists (orcs) and bows/guns/crossbows (trolls)

Alliance however has the gnomes with their dagger and 1handed sword mastery, humans with their 2handed sword, 1 handed sword, 2 handed mace, 1 handed mace mastery, and Dwarves with their one handed mace, 2 handed mace, gun/bow/crossbow mastery.

So, that's 3 races with masteries for 8 weapons, vs the horde that has 2 races with masteries for 6 weapons. And YOU say that blizzard has a blatant horde favoritism.

Before you question my credibility again, you may wanna take a look in the mirror mister.

Post by Lordplatypus

Horde has the only resistance racials (Not counting elemental, i mean CC) in the game, an increased hp racial, free damage from touch of the grave, dps-racials like blood rage and beserk.

Try the mirror yourself.

The attack on theramoore was an attempt at genocide. The purge of Dalaran is an attempt to imprison.

The people of theramoore, the last survivors of lordaeron are basically wiped of the map. That's #$%^ing genocide. Compare that to what happened in Dalaran which was a civil war where prisoners were taken. Theramoore was razed to the ground did you read what a mana bomb of that scale does? It erased them from existance.

Garrosh and his psychopathic lackey were both plenty insane while atleast jaina and vereesa both showed mercy and took prisoners.

It was the sacrifice of Rhonin to save them, not some bullcrap mercy. It even made me think he was a good character. How ironic, a man being killed off as part of a women's story.

anyhow, slyvannas was able to force lorethemar to send troops to northerend or she'll stop protecting him, which is implied to mean doom for the blood elves, note this takes place during WotLK where we already have a sunwell.

Post by Adamsm

Compare that to what happened in Dalaran which was a civil war where prisoners were taken.
while atleast jaina and vereesa both showed mercy and took prisoners.Horse !@#$; simple as that. While some were put in jail, others were killed out right, including the Dragonhawks...creatures at least as intelligent as the Hippogryphs of the Alliance; and the Hawks were killed to keep people from being able to escape.

And one more time: The last time the Blood Elves were put in prison in Dalaran, they were going to be executed by that bigot Garithos...and now Vereesa, a known Blood Elf hater, wanted to put them in nearly the same jail; how in the bloody hells can you not see what kind of horrible memories that would drag up for them.
How ironic, a man being killed off as part of a women's story.....What is wrong with you? I mean really; who the hell makes this kind of comment seriously?

Post by Lordplatypus

Post by Rankkor

Horde has the only resistance racials (Not counting elemental, i mean CC) in the game, an increased hp racial, free damage from touch of the grave, dps-racials like blood rage and beserk.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Escape_Artist

http://www.wowpedia.org/Every_Man_for_Himself

Try again please.

The attack on theramoore was an attempt at genocide. The purge of Dalaran is an attempt to imprison.

Except that the "attempt to imprison" was against loyal members of the Kirin Tor. At least the attack on theramoore was done against enemies of the horde. True, there were civilians there, but also MANY military targets, not to mention this was the spot from which Taurajo was attacked, and South barrens invaded.

ohh I get it, its only cool when YOUR PEOPLE do it, if its anyone else, they're monsters.

The people of theramoore, the last survivors of lordaeron are basically wiped of the map. That's #$%^ing genocide.

No its not, Do I really need to keep reminding you that almost all of the population of Theramoore escaped before the attack? all the targets inside the city were military targets, soldiers from stormwind, darnassus, and other alliance forces. The actual people of theramoore are very much alive, unharmed, and free. The same CANNOT be said about the sunreavers.

Compare that to what happened in Dalaran which was a civil war where prisoners were taken.

Civil war my ass, that was a LYNCH MOB going after an ethnic minority over racial hate. Nothing more than that.

Theramoore was razed to the ground did you read what a mana bomb of that scale does? It erased them from existance.

So? the people lived, they built one city, they can build another one.

Garrosh and his psychopathic lackey were both plenty insane while atleast jaina and vereesa both showed mercy and took prisoners.

Vereesa was more interested in killing as many blood elves as possible than taking prisoners. And Jaina pushed them to arms by refusing to let them leave peacefully.

It was the sacrifice of Rhonin to save them, not some bullcrap mercy. It even made me think he was a good character. How ironic, a man being killed off as part of a women's story.

Nope, Rhonin's sacrifice only saved Jaina, nobody else. EVERY SINGLE CIVILIAN IN THERAMOORE owes their lives to Baine Bloodhoof, as he was the one who warned Theramoore of the attack, giving the city plenty of time to evacuate the civilian population long before the armies of the horde arrived.

anyhow, slyvannas was able to force lorethemar to send troops to northerend or she'll stop protecting him, which is implied to mean doom for the blood elves, note this takes place during WotLK where we already have a sunwell.

Care to back that up? the blood elves are members of the horde, they provided forces to aid both against the war with the scourge (of which they have a really personal vendetta, since they razed their kingdom to the ground) and to aid the sunreavers with the Nexus war. They didn't needed anyone forcing their hand to reluctantly send troops.

Post by Lordplatypus

Care to back that up?
Read the short story for lorethemar
Next!

Nope, Rhonin's sacrifice only saved Jaina, nobody else. EVERY SINGLE CIVILIAN IN THERAMOORE owes their lives to Baine Bloodhoof, as he was the one who warned Theramoore of the attack, giving the city plenty of time to evacuate the civilian population long before the armies of the horde arrived.
Nope,
Thinking quickly he realized that Jaina's tower was heavily warded in magic and as such drawing the mana bomb to it would localize the mana bomb explosion. Believing that Jaina was the future of the Kirin Tor, he brought her into her tower and redirected Jaina's portal that she opened. When Jaina realized exactly what Rhonin was doing, she tried to stop him by pointing out that he had a family and was the leader of the Kirin Tor. Knowing that localizing the mana bomb explosion would ensure his beloved would be safe from the blast, Rhonin bluntly told Jaina that she was the future of the Kirin Tor and then pushed her through the portal when the bomb was dropped. Just before the portal closed, Jaina caught a glimpse of Rhonin exploding in a cloud of lavender ash as the mana bomb detonated in front of him.
Vereesa was more interested in killing as many blood elves as possible than taking prisoners. And Jaina pushed them to arms by refusing to let them leave peacefully.
Potential suspects allowed to leave? If someone's a treason (Capital crime) suspect, they stay where the cops can see them.
So? the people lived, they built one city, they can build another one.
Erased PEOPLE killed there from existence. That means no being an ancestor, no joining the light, no being part of whatever elven afterlife was, no nothing. in a world where afterlife is a fact. that's worse than death.
Civil war my ass, that was a LYNCH MOB going after an ethnic minority over racial hate. Nothing more than that.
It was the kirin tor backed silver covenant against the sunreavers. Are you comparing the silver covenant with the KKK.
No its not, Do I really need to keep reminding you that almost all of the population of Theramoore escaped before the attack? all the targets inside the city were military targets, soldiers from stormwind, darnassus, and other alliance forces. The actual people of theramoore are very much alive, unharmed, and free. The same CANNOT be said about the sunreavers.
They're imprisoned not dead.
http://www.wowpedia.org/Escape_Artist

http://www.wowpedia.org/Every_Man_for_Himself

Try again please.
Not passive resistance.

Nice try though.

Post by Skreeran

I always laugh when I hear people say that Blizzard is Horde/Alliance biased.

Post by Lordplatypus

Hey, it's cultural to say it these days.

It's like voting. it's pointless but you still do it.

Post by Adamsm

1: How many times do i have to hammer this in.

The people who were imprisoned the first time, they're the one's under kael'thas that we killed.

No one in the current blood elf faction was there.And that some how changes the fact that Blood Elves were arrested by humans before and going to be put to death how? To use a real life example, if someone were to go around arresting a large number of Jewish people in Germany, don't you think some very bad memories are going to start coming back?

You can see why the Sunreavers reacted the way they would, since the last time they were thrown in the Dalaran jail it was a very bad time....

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Post by Rankkor

Nope, Rhonin's sacrifice only saved Jaina, nobody else. EVERY SINGLE CIVILIAN IN THERAMOORE owes their lives to Baine Bloodhoof, as he was the one who warned Theramoore of the attack, giving the city plenty of time to evacuate the civilian population long before the armies of the horde arrived.
Nope,

Thinking quickly he realized that Jaina's tower was heavily warded in magic and as such drawing the mana bomb to it would localize the mana bomb explosion. Believing that Jaina was the future of the Kirin Tor, he brought her into her tower and redirected Jaina's portal that she opened. When Jaina realized exactly what Rhonin was doing, she tried to stop him by pointing out that he had a family and was the leader of the Kirin Tor. Knowing that localizing the mana bomb explosion would ensure his beloved would be safe from the blast, Rhonin bluntly told Jaina that she was the future of the Kirin Tor and then pushed her through the portal when the bomb was dropped. Just before the portal closed, Jaina caught a glimpse of Rhonin exploding in a cloud of lavender ash as the mana bomb detonated in front of him.

So? I just read that little bit you linked. What does it says? Rhonin opened a portal, and shoved jaina through it. Thus you just proved what I just told you, Rhonin saved Jaina, but it was Baine who warned Theramoore of the attack and thus gave the civilians time to escape. You just proved me right.

Vereesa was more interested in killing as many blood elves as possible than taking prisoners. And Jaina pushed them to arms by refusing to let them leave peacefully.
Potential suspects allowed to leave? If someone's a treason (Capital crime) suspect, they stay where the cops can see them.

We've been over this already, The Sunreavers were INNOCENT and Jaina had ZERO proof that it was THEM who orchestrated the Divine Bell Theft. What did she found in Darnassus? proof that SOMEONE with knowledge of the Kirin Tor Portal Network did it, that's ALL she found, she automatically assumed it was the Sunreavers and WITH ZERO PROOF OF IT WHATSOEVER went to dalaran to kill/incarcerate them all.

Jaina and the Silver Covenant had ZERO authority to do what they did, and the Sunreavers had ZERO obligation to submit to wrongful incarceration.

So? the people lived, they built one city, they can build another one.
Erased PEOPLE killed there from existence. That means no being an ancestor, no joining the light, no being part of whatever elven afterlife was, no nothing. in a world where afterlife is a fact. that's worse than death.

What part of THE PEOPLE LIVED isn't getting through your skull? The Backbone of any country is not the soldiers, its the people. And the people of theramoore SURVIVED THE BOMBING BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT IN THE CITY WHEN THE BOMB WENT OFF. The ones that died in Theramoore were military personal.

Civil war my ass, that was a LYNCH MOB going after an ethnic minority over racial hate. Nothing more than that.
It was the kirin tor backed silver covenant against the sunreavers.

No it was not. Jaina is not the Kirin Tor, she is A leader of the Kirin Tor, one out of 6, who just took an unilateral decision without consulting with the rest of the council, thus she wasn't representing the Kirin Tor, she was representing herself, her actions were ILLEGAL, and the Silver Covenant latched onto that to kill as many blood elves as they could.

Are you comparing the silver covenant with the KKK.

Yes I am. They took advantage of the deranged state of mind of Jaina to go after the sunreavers. And mercilessly butchered as many as they could. In the sewers there's even a Silver Covenant interrogator stabbing civilians and tossing them in the shark pit. The Silver Covenant just lynched a minority ethnic group just because they are sick fuc****

No its not, Do I really need to keep reminding you that almost all of the population of Theramoore escaped before the attack? all the targets inside the city were military targets, soldiers from stormwind, darnassus, and other alliance forces. The actual people of theramoore are very much alive, unharmed, and free. The same CANNOT be said about the sunreavers.
They're imprisoned not dead.

These people would like to have a word with you.

And before you start with that BS of "HUR DUR IS THEIR FAULT FOR FIGHTING BACK" They had every right of fighting back, they were INNOCENT and were being incarcerated and attacked by a bunch of fanatical zealots.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Escape_Artist

http://www.wowpedia.org/Every_Man_for_Himself

Try again please.
Not passive resistance.

Nice try though.

Are you seriously complaining about that?

"ha ha ha, that stun lasted 4 seconds instead of 5, SQUIRM WORM" That's rubbish, Every Man for Himself is basically a free pvp trinket, allowing you to free up the slot for an actual trinket with..... you know.... STATS. The orc passives only reduce mildly the duration of CC effects, the alliance passives actually remove them.

Anyways I wonder that if Lor'themar becomes the Warchief, how long will it take for an orc to declare a mak'gora to the death for the title of Warchief in which the use of magic is not allowed?

that wouldn't mean much for Lor'themar as he's not a mage, he's a Ranger. Rangers don't use magic.

And we know that the Horde's best warriors are most certainly the orcs and the tauren

No, the Horde's naturally physically strongest races are the orcs and the taurens, but raw brute strength isn't everything, and the duel of Cairne vs Garrosh proved it. Garrosh was at least 3 times stronger than Cairne, but Cairne was a more skilled combatant, and during the entire duel he kicked the ass of garrosh without even trying. If Magatha hand't poisoned Garrosh's axe, Cairne would had won, as the ONLY injury he sustained during the entire duel was a small scratch on his chest.

Post by Skreeran

Garrosh was at least 3 times stronger than CairneI really have a hard time believing that. Orcs are strong, sure, really strong, but the Tauren are bulls. They are literally people made of beef.

Post by Rankkor

Garrosh was at least 3 times stronger than CairneI really have a hard time believing that. Orcs are strong, sure, really strong, but the Tauren are bulls. They are literally people made of beef.

Yes indeed but Cairne was extremely old. My grandpa on my father's side was a boxer in his youth and you bet he was STRONG, but at 80 years old, his strength had diminished considerably. Back when he was alive, at age 20 I was far stronger than my grandpa, many many times stronger than him, but my grandpa was a more skilled fighter, and when he said "go on throw me a punch" even when I did so at full strength he could block them easily.

As massive and strong as Cairne was, he was at least 3 times Garrosh's age, the guy was already almost 100 years old.

Post by morginar

Anyways I wonder that if Lor'themar becomes the Warchief, how long will it take for an orc to declare a mak'gora to the death for the title of Warchief in which the use of magic is not allowed?

that wouldn't mean much for Lor'themar as he's not a mage, he's a Ranger. Rangers don't use magic.
To fair elves do know magic as displayed by their racials. I do belive the common elf should know some basic magic, not at the skill of a mage but more of not becoming a wretched.
And we know that the Horde's best warriors are most certainly the orcs and the tauren

No, the Horde's naturally physically strongest races are the orcs and the taurens, but raw brute strength isn't everything, and the duel of Cairne vs Garrosh proved it. Garrosh was at least 3 times stronger than Cairne, but Cairne was a more skilled combatant, and during the entire duel he kicked the ass of garrosh without even trying. If Magatha hand't poisoned Garrosh's axe, Cairne would had won, as the ONLY injury he sustained during the entire duel was a small scratch on his chest.

Speed is important for warriors asweel and i belive that the farstriders aim more for that rather than a bulky warrior that can't dodge or land a hit.

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