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Post by
MyTie
1) Call it mass equivilency, or call it mass. It does travel, in the way that we think of it.
2) My point with multiple universes is that you hadn't taken everything into account when you said the stars are numerable. You made up your mind and shut the book.
3) What if the universe is a sphere? We may be traveling farther apart, but perhaps we are going to meet up again on the other side. This argument is not foreign to the theories in science. So, the energy may be contained, and continuous. Changed by entropy, true, however doomed to repeat itself.
4) The Bible is true in all ways shapes and forms. You discredit nothing with your babbleing.
5) I am the one proposing ideas, and possibilities, and you are the one stamping your 'rejected' stamp all over them.
6) So, if there were no creator, it wouldn't be a creation. It would have to be defined as something else.
Post by
MyTie
On topic: Are people inheriently evil?
So... what if everyone on earth were given a button. Whenever they pushed the button, someone would die. There are no consequences to pushing the button, other than the person dieing. You cannot kill yourself by pushing your button. You can push the button as many times as you want to.
/discuss
Post by
Random0098
Are people inheriently evil?
No.
So... what if everyone on earth were given a button. Whenever they pushed the button, someone would die. There are no consequences to pushing the button, other than the person dieing. You cannot kill yourself by pushing your button. You can push the button as many times as you want to.
No.
/discuss
I did my best.
Post by
Skyfire
1) Call it mass equivilency, or call it mass. It does travel, in the way that we think of it.
It
doesn't
. Read up on reference frames, and why that's important to a change in displacement.
2) My point with multiple universes is that you hadn't taken everything into account when you said the stars are numerable. You made up your mind and shut the book.
I hadn't taken 'multiple universes' into account. But if you want me to, I can later in my response!
3) What if the universe is a sphere? We may be travelin farther apart, but perhaps we are going to meet up again on the other side. This argument is not foreign to the theories in science. So, the energy may be contained, and continuous. Changed by entropy, true, however doomed to repeat itself.
Refactor, so as to be specific about who/what we're talking of.
4) The Bible is true in all ways shapes and forms. You discredit nothing with your babbleing.
Other than the ad hominem, it's not. I already said blood wasn't required for life, which is plainly true, is it not? I'll also notice that you didn't respond to that point.
5) I am the one proposing ideas, and possibilities, and you are the one stamping your 'rejected' stamp all over them.
Because I'm applying common sense and general understanding of the universe as my filter. This is not the same as being closed minded. You give me evidence, it might get to the second filter, which is "can this evidence be reproduced". So on and so forth.
6) So, if there were no creator, it wouldn't be a creation. It would have to be defined as something else.
Certainly! Let's infinite regress with multiple universes, shall we? That covers a base for me, doesn't it? Infinite regress is a nasty *!@#$.
Post by
331344
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Post by
Laihendi
4) The Bible is true in all ways shapes and forms. You discredit nothing with your babbleing.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Post by
MyTie
Blood is not required for life? That's your arguement against the Bible?
To your credit, I'll look into light travel more in depth than I already have. You may be right there.
Post by
Skyfire
On topic: Are people inheriently evil?
I'd like to think that people wouldn't push the button, but they would.
Post by
MyTie
4) The Bible is true in all ways shapes and forms. You discredit nothing with your babbleing.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
It also says for a wife to act Christianly toward an unChristianly husband. Is the Bible suggesting that women forgive men who beat them?
I suppose if you take it out of context, it can say anything you like, Laihendi.
Post by
Random0098
4) The Bible is true in all ways shapes and forms. You discredit nothing with your babbleing.
This is not correct.
I'd like to think that people wouldn't push the button, but they would.
I'd like to think that it would be our curiosity that makes that happen.. not eviltude. It did kill the cat, after all.
Post by
331344
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Post by
Skyfire
I'd like to think that people wouldn't push the button, but they would.
I'd like to think that it would be our curiosity that makes that happen.. not eviltude. It did kill the cat, after all.
Someone else is no less dead. I would make the claim that acting without knowledge of your decision is nearly equivalent to evil, if not evil itself.
What say you?
Post by
MyTie
People would push the button out of selfishness.
Post by
Laihendi
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
It also says for a wife to act Christianly toward an unChristianly husband. Is the Bible suggesting that women forgive men who beat them?
I suppose if you take it out of context, it can say anything you like, Laihendi.
So the bible endorses slavery and you just say "oh well you can say anything with the bible". But it's somehow still true in all ways, shapes, and forms?
Post by
Skyfire
People would push the button out of selfishness.
This is a possible secondary motive to pushing the button.
Post by
Random0098
Someone else is no less dead. I would make the claim that acting without knowledge of your decision is nearly equivalent to evil, if not evil itself.
What say you?
I agree that in that case it was a poor poor choice. But acting without knowledge of the outcome is definitely not "evil itself".
Now this may be a poor example and might come back to bite me later, but scientists didn't know what the heck they were going to get when they started bombarding different elements with neutrons. Sure, they did come out with nuclear power from it (which could be used badly) - but that quest for knowledge definitely isn't evil, in my view.
Post by
MyTie
Wow... ok... the Jewish law laid down by the people at that time, endorsed by God, at that time, may have been neccessary, although harsh, in the preservation of justice and continuing of the people. I can't say, because I don't know what life was like back then. Perhaps they took slaves during war to separate armies that were fighting against them. Perhaps slaves were held to a different sect of harsher justice. Taken into context, it is debateable. To say that "The Bible endorses slavery" is a very narrow view of the topic.
Post by
331344
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Post by
MyTie
think about this. there is 7 billion people with buttons that could kill you at any sec. odds are bad... what a horrid life that would be...
Would you push the button to better your odds?
Post by
Laihendi
To say that "The Bible endorses slavery" is a very narrow view of the topic.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
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