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DW Frost DPS - Blowing Up the Competition One Obliterate At A Time
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Eleazer
@Nakor - If you can return that trinket do it. It's a pretty weak trinket. Mirror of Truth is blah. Get the Banner of Victory/Grim Troll/Darkmoon Card:Greatness/Death's Verdict/Mjolnir's Runestone, there are a few others but I can't recall right now. The trinket you have is okay if you don't have any of the above, and it's probably about equal to Mirror of Truth. Without seeing your profile, I can't really give anything besides a broad idea.
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Eleazer
@snaike
It has to do with proccing it as soon as possible. If it procs with the offhand you have a lower percentage for it proccing. For EJ's info on it, just check the front page they list it as FC/RI. You always list MH before OH which is where they stand behind it. You want FC to proc within your first couple swings. You can't guarantee that if it's attached to the OH.
I have read a lot of MMO's stuff in the past, and have found their builds and forums to be severely lacking in educated responses. They are excellent in finding things out pre-patch, but after they fall severely behind.
The only benefit you get from putting RI up faster is a slightly stronger HB, IT, and if you get a lucky FS before it's fully on. The difference between getting the Frost Debuff up before you FS is almost Nothing. It's always at 10 by the time I am using FS or need to reapply my diseases. The difference in RI damage from MH to OH is nothing because Razorice always works off your MH and not your OH. So your choice is simple:
Immediate uptime of FC vs. Faster Application of RI
FC on your MH means you get an immediate proc before you ever Obliterate due to ToT OH delay. The only time I could see RI being better if it was on MH is if you were having trouble getting the debuff to ten before Frost Strike, but that would be really tough to do since you have about 10-15 seconds before you will use your first FS.
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Why do you have Hit rating gems? Go plus 20 strength in one spot and then put in a Nightmare Tear somewhere. Other than that nice gear Grim Troll from Naxx 25 is still awesome
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awsome i like this site
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Eleazer
@Nakor
Do you mean
Victor's Call
? It's awesome since you are a DW meaning it will stack faster, plus you can sub out gear that is itemized for expertise and get something that has haste/ArP or crit.
Personally I love
Death's Verdict
more, but if you need the expertise than Victor's call is pretty awesome.
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Eleazer
Please don't quote me and leave out a portion of what I said. If you are going to quote something. Quote the entire context not just what serves your need.
You also stated that I am pulling this from EJ's which I am not. You stated that you couldn't find it on EJ's I simply gave you where to look to find it. You don't need to look at the last page. The first page is updated when something has become proof and not just theory. At the moment, the front page has been updated through 3.2, which you again used your editing prowess to over look or cut that important piece of information.
I know exactly how PPM works and how FC works, and I
clearly
stated thatit's about getting the faster uptime on FC due to the lag on offhand because of how ToT operates. Don't single out quotes like you did, it's improper and really bad form in a debate. MH and OH have always had the same proc rate, but there is a different hit rate (by that I mean they hit seperately and individually. ToT only works on certain attacks, but FC can proc on any attack. Melee's miss rate for both hands is pretty high, due to lag between main hand hits and offhand hits you have no guarantee that your offhand will actually hit. Now if your main hand hits and procs FC than your offhand due to the mechanics of DW will actually hit with FC procced.
Finally, don't quote me out of context again. It upsets anyone with any form of decency and proper knowledge of grammar. It has gradually become a pet peeve of mine.
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Please don't quote me and leave out a portion of what I said. If you are going to quote something. Quote the entire context not just what serves your need.
Finally, don't quote me out of context again. It upsets anyone with any form of decency and proper knowledge of grammar. It has gradually become a pet peeve of mine.lol
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@Snaike - While I appreciate your opinion on the FC/RI debate, my problem was not that you pointed out that you felt I was incorrect. My problem was you edited out the entire section that explained my initial statement, If you take just the initial statement it sounds like I am claiming that the PPM is sped up by putting it on the main hand which I am not stating. I am stating that your initial proc is faster because you will hit with your MH first. This has to do with DW mechanics (you will never hit with OH first) and marginally to do with ToT.
@Harlon - You probably aren't seeing it miss unless you are talking in voa where the final boss throws out a dust cloud that causes you to miss. What you are seeing is most likely a dodge or parry or block, that has to do with expertise or being in front of the target. If your expertise is below 21 you will see dodges if you are in the proper position.
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