Draenei offical swept under the rug..

Post by Adamsm

One way or another, the line about the eredar being involved in Sargeras's corruption was so petty that no one even thought about it. Then, the first nerd picked it out as something to whine about.That I'm not sure about... mainly because the whole corruption thing falls solely on the shoulders of the Dreadlords heh.

As far as we know, there could have been another of the demonic races involved in the corruption of Sargeras (Pit Lords for example)

No the original was pretty clear it was the Eredar and the Dreadlords who were seen as the absolute worst of the Demon races; Annihilans are brutal fighters and war mongers, but not the brightest of the generals.

Post by FarseerLolotea

No the original was pretty clear it was the Eredar and the Dreadlords who were seen as the absolute worst of the Demon races; Annihilans are brutal fighters and war mongers, but not the brightest of the generals.It was originally the eredar and the dreadlords, true; however, the eredar not being involved does not necessarily leave it entirely on the dreadlords. One theory has it that it was just the sheer breadth of corruption that he was finding.

Post by GVHB

The Pit Lords were an example, could have been some race we don't know about. I have my doubts about the Nathrezim lonely turning the greatest champion of the Pantheon in they fiercest enemy.

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Post by Alliari

It could be just the shear amount of stuff going on in the universe. The little things add up...

Imagine a small but cruel enemy that he had to fight on a daily basis. Eventually he'd get tired of it and say "Screw this!"

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Post by alejbr4

The Pit Lords were an example, could have been some race we don't know about. I have my doubts about the Nathrezim lonely turning the greatest champion of the Pantheon in they fiercest enemy.As I stated: the two biggest theories seem to be Old Gods, or Sargeras becoming increasingly disillusioned because there are simply so many demons and eventually just going kersnap.

And as for the eredar: the biggest theory is that the other races actually thought they were involved until the draenei set them straight. It would appear that Kil'jaeden, along with all of his other dubious virtues, is a braggart.

i often wondered about the whole story as, whose history? i mean what we knew of them before being playable race was mostly wc 3 and in stories based on info from those now dead and others who have no reason to tell us the truth. or heck the erader could have been just a renegade faction

Post by FarseerLolotea

i often wondered about the whole story as, whose history? i mean what we knew of them before being playable race was mostly wc 3 and in stories based on info from those now dead and others who have no reason to tell us the truth. or heck the erader could have been just a renegade factionAFAIK, the original story blamed the two fallen triumvirs (and the dreadlords) for Sargeras's corruption. In the new story, while the two fallen triumvirs (and their followers) were Sargeras's strongest recruits and among his first, the eredar had never heard of him before he showed up on Argus and offered power beyond imagining.

And yeah, Sargeras and the Betrayal could just have been inaccurate. Or Kil'jaeden might have deliberately spread lies.

Post by Silveringast

Interesting thread... but truely how much intel was know in Azeroth to the exact details of Outland, its races and flora and fauna... very little... so as to lore i feel that the two new races added in tBC were well played... with the up coming expansion too mush detail has been fed through by blizzard and the beta runners...

If you look now at the shape of play in outland Draenei and Blood Elves were a logical and nessessary addition... Shattrath would not work as a city without both races...

I will say one this though... Exodar as a crashed stellar vehical was major fail... poor way to introduce the race... maybe an event before tBC launched would have worked better (something we saw with the pre wotlk scourge event)... maybe a portal event with Draenei and Blood Elf invasion/refugee forces (dependant on faction) that could have lead onto the darkportal being activated by the arcane forces involved in portal/arcane magic...

but this is all moot...

still, this is an interesting thread...

:)

Post by 306612

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Post by Monday

What exactly was the point of that post?

And did you really have to stoop to using "gay" to insult stuff?(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Gnub##DELIM##What post? *whistles*

Post by FarseerLolotea

Alternatively, you could stop being angry at anyone who dares try to imply Blizzard didn't do it's job properly seeding the race into the lore for TBC.Hey—do not point your finger at me like that. I've been saying that they could have been introduced more smoothly. The difference is that I don't think a less-than-smooth introduction is an excuse for the sort of temper tantrums and nerdrage that resulted.

And did you really have to stoop to using "gay" to insult stuff?I think he likes male draenei a little too much and it makes him uncomfortable.

Post by 306612

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Post by Alliari

Sorry for being the mother at this point, but it's getting old. All you've done is bicker over whatever it is your bickering about, and its distracting from this thread's main point. Let's stop the finger pointing and the unnecessary flame war and get back on topic.

Post by FarseerLolotea

Except all you've been doing is fanning the flames.Actually, that'd be the guy you're white-knighting.

Unless, of course, you're not white-knighting but trying to imply that I'm feeding a troll. And I don't think he's a troll—just misinformed and unwilling to admit it. The finger remains pointed at you.All the more wrongly, now that I've explained how you've got things backwards here.

There's a significant difference here between what I've actually been doing and what you've accused me of doing. Quit trying to make me out like Delmarus or something.

Sorry for being the mother at this point, but it's getting old. All you've done is bicker over whatever it is your bickering about, and its distracting from this thread's main point. Let's stop the finger pointing and the unnecessary flame war and get back on topic.I'm done with it, but I do not appreciate being held responsible for the actions of others.

That said: there do seem, as I pointed out, to be a few draenei NPCs at the Alliance base in the Twilight Highlands.

Post by 306612

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Post by FarseerLolotea

Dammit...any attempts to un-derail this thread and prevent it from getting locked seem doomed to fail.A) Interwebz buzzwords prove not your point.And dismissing my comment as "Interwebz buzzwords" doesn't prove yours. Nor does it change the fact that you are jumping all over my case in Delterius's defense, and "white-knighting" is a brief and effective way to describe said behavior.

B) None of you are trolls, but the condescending, insulting style of posting you've chosen for your latest posts are what's fanning the flames.I don't know where you get "condescension" or "insults" out of any of my posts, especially as compared to some of the comments that Delterius has made. ("Godwin," really?)

Adopting neutrality isn't just a hypocritical credo of Wikipedia admins, y'know. It helps the nerdragers look even more foolish when you're posting in a calm, posed manner where they're just insulting you.Ummm...that's exactly what I've been doing. You just jumped in and started making accusations out of the blue.

C) Actually, you've offered an explanation. It's up to me (and the populace at large) to gauge how much we accept it.You know, you've struck me as a fairly sensible person in the past. It really mystifies me that you're twisting things up like this and just attacking me out of nowhere. Because that's what you're doing.

Personally, I think your emotions betray your intentions in your latest interventions. You're so caught up in trying to prevent/combat nerdrage against the Draenei that you're falling into it yourself on the opposite side. Makes you lose credibility, it does.I have no idea how you manage to read any of that into anything I've posted here. Or how your perception reflects in any way on my "credibility," for that matter.

I've compared you to no one, the only person making you out to be someone else is you.I didn't say that you'd compared me to anyone. The fact remains that I am not responsible for any nonexistent insults that you might infer.

tl;dr : I calls 'em as I sees 'em.And how you think you see any of this in my posts is beyond comprehension.

All of what I've said before, however, still stands: Yes, draenei could have been integrated into the game a bit more smoothly. Yes, if there was going to be a retcon, there could have been a better explanation.

However, the retcon ("who corrupted who") is the only actual inconsistency in their lore. Their lore is too sparse. And neither the retcon nor their less-than-smooth integration justify their lore being so sparse. (Or, for that matter, the way people are still freaking out over them.)

Post by Alliari

Must...Ignore....Flame war...

For Draenei military command, there really doesn't seem any central Commander. We could use one of the commanders at Blood Watch, or a totally new character?

Post by Monday

I don't know where you get "condescension"

I'm sorry, but you really do put forth an attitude of condescension.

And now

Must...Ignore....Flame war...

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Post by FarseerLolotea

First off: If anyone has inferred "condescension" from any post of mine? That's on you, not me. Because this is really getting ridiculous. Must...Ignore....Flame war...Hey—I've been trying to get this back on track, but people seem more interested in yelling at me over imagined slights.

For Draenei military command, there really doesn't seem any central Commander. We could use one of the commanders at Blood Watch, or a totally new character?I'd like to see the Triumvirate do something, but the idea of a new commander has merit.

Draenei offical swept under the rug..

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