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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
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It had to be done.
;)
Post by
MyTie
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It had to be done.
;)
Oy vey
Post by
TheMediator
Because we cannot be sure when the embryo is in a state where it would have rights(in this case, human), but we know that the mother always has them in this scenario.
This is important. You can't just infringe upon someone's rights without having a high degree of confidence. I do err on the side of caution - the mother's rights are being infringed upon, so without being absolutely sure that abortion is killing a human being, you cannot justify the infringement. I think of it like the rational behind wire tapping - unless you are beyond sure that there is something going on that you need to stop by wire tapping, then you can't justify infringing their right to privacy, regardless of the potential cost.
Post by
MyTie
Because we cannot be sure when the embryo is in a state where it would have rights(in this case, human), but we know that the mother always has them in this scenario.
This is important. You can't just infringe upon someone's rights without having a high degree of confidence. I do err on the side of caution - the mother's rights are being infringed upon, so without being absolutely sure that abortion is killing a human being, you cannot justify the infringement. I think of it like the rational behind wire tapping - unless you are beyond sure that there is something going on that you need to stop by wire tapping, then you can't justify infringing their right to privacy, regardless of the potential cost.I look at it like wiretapping. Unless you are absolutely sure that there is a crime being commited, you shouldn't wiretap. Just like, unless you are absolutely sure that someone's life isn't being lost, you shouldn't abort.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Analogy:
A private home collapses. There may have been a person in the house, no one's sure. Can the owner of the house call upon his right to private property rights and not allow the firemen to search for the person?
Even if there is a possibility of a person not being there, the possible person's right to life/rescue trumps the owner's right to private property.
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184848
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Do you believe that animals have emotions, by any chance?
Someone give me an answer, I know it seems unrelated.
No, they have appetites, not emotions.
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184848
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Post by
MyTie
No, they have appetites, not emotions.
Is there a clear distinction between killing an animal and a human, then?
The correct answer to all your questions on this page is: We don't know.
Post by
TheMediator
Can the owner of the house call upon his right to private property rights and not allow the firemen to search for the person?
I don't know, can he? Even if he could, we already know that law and ethics aren't perfectly aligned.
Even if there is a possibility of a person not being there, the possible person's right to life/rescue trumps the owner's right to private property.
I'm not so sure. If the person in the house was infringing upon the owner's rights at the time by being there without the owner's consent, the way I see it the owner's right trumps since whomever infringed upon the other person's right is the one who must sacrifice their own right should one be required to be forfeited. Just like in the original case, the mother's right supersede the fetus's right (if it even has one) because the fetus is infringing upon the mother's right.
No, they have appetites, not emotions.
You're &*!@ing kidding me if you don't think animals feel emotions. When I haven't seen my dog for months and I come home and its whimpering and crying when it gets to see me again, that's emotion.
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184848
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Post by
MyTie
You're &*!@ing kidding me if you don't think animals feel emotions. When I haven't seen my dog for months and I come home and its whimpering and crying when it gets to see me again, that's emotion.
My dog acts like that too. You have to be careful when applying emotions to animals, or even humans. The problem is that you have to answer this:
What is an emotion?
Tougher than it looks, since it is so subjective.
Post by
MyTie
The correct answer to all your questions on this page is: We don't know.
Then why is it so different to most people?
Mars has a lot of similarities to Earth. That doesn't mean they should be treated like the same planet.
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124027
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Post by
MyTie
Mars has a lot of similarities to Earth. That doesn't mean they should be treated like the same planet.
You're right. We don't contaminate its air, we don't pollute its water, we don't destroy its forests, and we don't kill it's wildlife.
And that's only because we haven't reached it yet.
Wow... I am really unfocused today.Sometimes I wonder if environmentalists really think before they talk.
Look at it this way, an unborn pig is a lot different than an unborn human. One is a human, and the other is going to be my breakfast someday.
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184848
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Post by
TheMediator
Look at it this way, an unborn pig is a lot different than an unborn human. One is a human, and the other is going to be my breakfast someday.
Your attitude towards non-humans disturbs me. Just an FYI, if you tried to hurt my dog, I would probably kill you. Just saying that straight up.
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MyTie
Look at it this way, an unborn pig is a lot different than an unborn human. One is a human, and the other is going to be my breakfast someday.
It just is that way
seems to be a common argument among the religious.
I guess I can do better if you prefer.
The question is:
What is the difference between a pig fetus and a human fetus?
My answer is:
How dare you ask. If you don't know, then I have nothing else to speak with you about. God bless.
Post by
MyTie
Look at it this way, an unborn pig is a lot different than an unborn human. One is a human, and the other is going to be my breakfast someday.
Your attitude towards non-humans disturbs me. Just an FYI, if you tried to hurt my dog, I would probably kill you. Just saying that straight up.
What gives you the impression that I want to hurt your dog? Because I eat bacon?
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