This one is just as great for Rogues, Hunters and Warriors. None of these classes gets more out of it then the other so let em all bid.
The second best trinket in the game for DPS classes (better then Drake Fang, but not quite as good as Slayer's Crest). It is great for rogues, hunters and warriors, however, I would say that it should go to rogues and hunters before warriors.
If you are a fury warrior rogues and hunters shouldn't get prio. Fury warriors needs +hit and +crit and attack speed as well. rogues and fury warriors and hunters no prio on it for those 3 can't be compared.
Do all or any attack speed inceasing spells or items stack? For instance hunter's rapid fire and this?
As far as I know, this is one of the only trinkets in the game to provide a static amount of +crit in the game.
As a Rogue, it would be the perfect second trinket to Drake Fang Talisman, which provides the static amount of AP. There are other trinkets that provide similar short term buffs - such as Badge of the Swarmguard and Earthstrike - but neither of those two provide any static bonuses. My personal preference is to have as many items that provide "Equip" bonuses, rather than "Use" - as maximum DPS then comes from effective use of "Use" cooldowns, which are sometimes quite situational.
does anyone know the correct equation for giguring the resulting attack speed after increasing it by a percentage? i've been trying to figure this out but it's really confusing. thx.
I seriously doubt the fact that blizz would add all attack speed bonuses together before figureing the attack speed bonus granted
I would almost guarentee that they use an equation that produces deminishing returns on additional attack speed bonuses(seems like deminishing returns is their bread and butter way of keeping things in check)
A likely formula they use is this
Normal attack speed * .3 = X (bonus granted by flurry)
normal attack speed - X = Y (new attack speed)
Y * .3 = Z (Bonus for Eskhandar's Right Claw)
Y - Z = A New attack speed
A * .2 = B (Bonus for trinket)
A - B = New attack speed
with this formula each additional attack speed increase is calcualted from an already faster attack speed meaning that the attack speed bonus granted by each additional modifier is less then it would have been had it been calculated with the original attack speed
using this calculation there is a point at which extra attack speed modifiers become mathmatically pointless as the attack speed increase would be less then 1%
Im to lazy to do the entire caculation and figure out where that is, but my guess would be that additional attack speed modifiers are useless at about a 50% overall attack speed increase
meaning youll never swing faster then 50% of normal
this would be reachable by flury, eskhandars, and the trinket...so anything more then that is just wasted gear space for something better
This is the end-all arguments calculation of attack speed. One of the previous commenters had it correct. Blizzard does have kinduva funky way of calculating it.
The modifier is 1 + weapon speed increase. But you cannot add weapon speed increases together.
Let's say you had a 2.00s attack speed weapon. Using this trinket does not reduce your attack speed to 1.60 (which is 2.00 x 0.8). It is in fact 2.00/1.2 which equals 1.67. To add effects such as SnD or BF, you have to divide two more times (do not combine the IAS effects of SnD and BF).
2.00/1.2 = 1.67s <~ w/ trinket
1.67/1.3 = 1.28s <~ w/ trinket + SnD
1.28/1.2 = 1.07s <~ w/ trinket + SnD + BF
The resulting weapon speed of using the trinket, SnD, and BF results in a 46.5% speed increase overall from a 2.00s attack speed to a 1.07s attack speed. If you're a rogue or fury warrior (this applies to flurry as well, and yes the trinket does stack with flurry), you can calculate it for yourself and will find that this method of calculating weapon speeds is correct.
It works on ranged attacks, and I would go as far to say its THE the highest DPS trinket for a Hunter
This trinket will scale forever with gear. It will be just as good at level 70 as it is now.
For a hunter, you can get the +15% quiver, 30% from quick shots, 40% from rapidfire, 20% from this trinket. With the Rhok'delar (2.9 attack speed), what would the new attack speed be?
2.90 (Rhok Weapon Speed)
2.10 (Serpent's Swiftness)
1.50 (Rapid Fire)
.99 (You = Healthy Troll?)
.84 (You = Hurt Troll?)
Add "The Beast Within" (+30% damage for 18 seconds +psychotic pet) to this equation and you would vaporize anything in front of you and probably generate too much threat for your own good.
If you have the 2 Cryptstalker set bonus and Rapid Killing talent, Rapid fire will be up every 3 minutes rapid firing for 19 seconds.
With Classic coming to us here soon, this item is going to see a return as well toward the end of the series of content releases for the remade game. That in mind, this trinket is obscenely strong for all the reasons imagined, but I am only going to be speaking to druids on this; this is probably going to end up being one of the Best in Slot items for Feral due to the on use effect, especially with the madness that will be uses of the
for optimal attack speed.
Granted there is no knowing yet, these two items may share a cooldown or similar on the live servers, but just forewarning that this item is likely to end up being coveted for that reason. Unfortunately, just about every physical damage class will want this item if they are clearing Naxxramas and if you are a Feral Combat specialized druid managing to clear said raid, this is not going to be all that difficult for you to get.
does it stack with slice and dice and bladeflurry ?
i think it does. otherwise it would be useless
Got this on my hunter the other night, 2 min cool down and stacks with rapid fire and improved aspect of the hawk, puts stuff like Earthstrike on a 15 second cooldown.
does it stack with slice & Dice?
Yes it stacks with every type of buff. It stacks with Rogue Blade Flurry, it stacks with Warrior Flurry, it stacks with Hunter Rapid Fire. It does not, however, stack with other trinkets. You can only use 1 at a time.
An example of it on my Fury Warrior. I use the GM Longsword which has a speed of 2.90. If Flurry is active and I use Kiss of the Spider the GM LOngsword becomes a 1.87 speed weapon. VERY nice trinket.
Kiss of the Spider + Rapid Fire + Berserk + Improved Aspect of the Hawk = owned
ok i kno that if u are in naxx u probably have something better but i think a fury war can get to the point where u attack faster than i think is possible.
Using the right claw of eshekander which proc makes u attack 30% faster this trinket and flurry with a fast offhand like another fist wep with 1.5 speed then this trinket and there are mobs in BRD with haste aura for 20% if u MC'ed one u could get that and be at 20% attk speed and that is .3 attack speed on just the main hand. if all of that applies to Oh as well then u got almost no time between ur attacks. if u got Wf up then with all the instants u are doing so much dmg and if u werent tethered to brd u would be indistructible in pvp not even a mage could kill u unless it could kill u with just instants
So would you use this over Argent Dawn trinket in Naxx on bosses like Patchwerk etc. ?
Just think: Slayer's Crest+Bladeflurry+Kiss of the Spider+Slice and Dice, every 2 minutes...
Stacks with SnD + Blade Flurry. Will not stack with Jom, Earthstrike, or Slayer's Crest.
Can anyone make a definite confirmation if it do stack or not, dont wanna spend dkps on another useless trinket if it doesnt! :p
Anyone knows if this applies for ranged or not?
Duration: 12 seconds
Cooldown: 2 minutes
Stacks with Slice and Dice and Blade Flurry
Tip if you are a rogue and have this, make this macro:
/cast Blade Flurry
to use them both at once. 13 being the upper trinket slot so just change it if you have it on the lower.
Just wondering if any DW fury warriors have this, and does it stack with Flurry. I assume yes since the rogues have said it stacks with their abilites. Just want to make sure.
Edited, Aug 16th 2006 at 10:36pm EDT by Hammergale
this one is just... WoW!
Is it the same timer as the Devilsaur Trinket?
All of those add pure AP, what about ZHM?
5th european kill, this dropped.
Kiss of the Spider + Rapid Fire + Bererk + Improved Aspect of the Hawk = owned
In BC this changes to secondary stat ratings:
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 14 (Level 60: 1% crit - Level 70: 0.63% crit)
Equip: Improves hit rating by 10 (Level 60: 1% hit - Level 70: 0.63% hit)
Use: Increases your haste rating by 200 (Level 60: 20% haste - Level 70: 12.68% haste)
This doesn't change the trinket at all at level 60 (aside from it granting real haste rather than attack speed). It's still quite solid at level 70 but not nearly as impactful.
On use haste effect CAN be purged.
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