Very interesting ring.

with first see I would say that this is for tanks who got defense capped, but not avoidance(dodge/parry) capped, so they would get closer of having it.

Also how easily this is available gives impression that this propably aimed for "def capped" tanks, since BoE allows selling of this.

I would say that price of this will come down quite much as ulduar gets more conquered...

Комментарий от 376353

According to rawr, this sims out to be the second best ring option for a protection paladin to have. The defense will need to be made up elsewhere, but staying def capped in Ulduar is less of a headache then it was in Naxx.

The only ring that is better would be from FL 25. The Leviathan's Coil

EDIT: Rawr seems to be heavily favoring rings with an armor bonus. While this ring is very good, don't take this post as law.

Комментарий от 388516

What purpose does parry serve a druid?

This ring is for Paladins, Warriors, and Death Knight tanks.

Комментарий от 336555

only a very, very, VERY stupid and/or greedy druid would equip this.

if this is an upgrade for your ring slots, as a druid, then frankly you should not be in the raid.

so to the guy above, yup, your guild is full of morons if you're giving this to druids lol

"Odd, our guild focusses on having geared members, not a full guild bank..." ~ i guess your guild also give shamans cloth, staves/off-hands and gear with SPI on it to resto shams/holy pals right? and enhancement shaman mail/rogue gear to plate classes, cuz iLVL=gear usefulness, amirite? then theyre GEARED IN PURPLEZ!

..such an absurd amount of bads playing these days....

Комментарий от YenAN

"Odd, our guild focusses on having geared members, not a full guild bank..." ~ i guess your guild also give shamans cloth, staves/off-hands and gear with SPI on it to resto shams/holy pals right? and enhancement shaman mail/rogue gear to plate classes, cuz iLVL=gear usefulness, amirite? then theyre GEARED IN PURPLEZ!

If its an upgrade, hell yes we would. The guild doesnt need another shard in the bank, nor does it need the gold. If it an upgrade for that player, damn sure we'll give it to them first before throwing it away. Also, keep in mind that Shamans can indeed use cloth, warriors can indeed use leather (and most raiding warriors have been using it a lot untill recently). Just because you can use mail or plate doesnt mean the best in slot item will be a mail/plate piece.
So yes, therealestever, we will give those items to the players that can use them before dissing/selling them. We will give them to the classes for which they are BiS first, but afterwards, if its an upgrade, everyone can take it.
The game isn't black and white. There are various doubtable gear choices in this game but you are obviously too thickheaded to see them.

Allow me to correct your statement :

"i guess your guild also give shamans cloth"

Belt of Blasting was BiS for elem shamans for ages. There are other things i coulod link, but this one comes to mind.

"staves/off-hands and gear with SPI on it to resto shams/holy pals right?"

First of all, paladins cant use staves. Secondly, Urn of Lost Memories seems like a viable choice for both shamans/paladins if they dont have better gear.

"and enhancement shaman mail/rogue gear to plate classes"

Soul-Devouring Cinch is considered BiS for retri paladins at the moment.

"iLVL=gear usefulness"

In general, yes. The higher the iLevel of an item, the more statpoints it will have. The problem with most items however, is that it doesnt have the stats you'd prefer. A good example is ArPen for paladins.

Anyways, school is closed. Feel free to try again, and i'll gladly reply with some new and interesting lessons for you. Also, it looks far better cleaned up if you actually use "quote" and "/quote" to quote people. Perhaps i'll show you how thats done one day.

Комментарий от 382203

Just got it from Hodir today was an upgrade from https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=37784. Lost .1% dodge but gained 200 hp, think it works out better. Not including gaining strength.

Комментарий от 137161

Tank rings with armor, high stamina, dodge rating, and no defense scream 'Druid ring!'

Before patch 3.0.9, that statement was closer to being correct. Now its entirely wrong.

Its not that these stats are wrong for a druid, its just a poorly budgeted item for a druid. In terms of itemization, here are some equivalences:

1 Dodge Rating = 1 Agility
1 Defense Rating = 1 Agility
10 Armor = 1 Agility

1 dodge rating gives you +0.025% dodge.
1 defense rating gives you +0.008% dodge.
1 agility gives you +0.025% dodge, +0.012% crit, and 2 armor.

It is important to note that a druid's defensive ability is the product of three factors: armor, dodge, and savage defense. Armor, dodge rating, and defense rating each help just one of those factors. Agility benefits all three.

The benefit from armor depends on what your armor value currently is. If you have 23,000 armor (that's low, but I'm being generous), the increase to 23,010 armor will give you +0.01% more damage reduction. If you started at 25,000 armor (still a little low for discussing Ulduar gear) the increase in mitigation drops to +0.009%. Even ignoring that agility gives you two armor per point, agility is better than armor.

These calculations factor in SotF, but do not factor in percentage-based buffs (blessing of kings).

Rings with defense and dodge rating are intended for plate-wearing tanks because druids can get even more avoidance from DPS rings. All of a druid's leather tanking armor has DPS stats, it shouldn't be a surprise that you should seek the same stats from rings.

The only 2 rings better than this for a Druid are The Leviathan's Coil (Flame Leviathan 25), Fate's Clutch (Thorim 25 Hard.)

Before diminishing returns, Leviathan's Coil gives a druid 1.25% dodge and Fate's Clutch gives 1.38% dodge. You would get 1.28% dodge from 54 agility (only counting SotF). Here is the list of rings from Ulduar (10 and 25 man) that have agility. Four of the five give you more avoidance than Fate's Clutch.

Nothing about Fate's Clutch is really wrong for a druid, its just not the best way to budget an item for a druid tank. It is also important to note that since agility is equivalent to larger amounts of dodge/defense/armor, more itemization points are freed up for other things (crit, hit, expertise).

Комментарий от 137161

This ring is better for feral tanks than any other tanking ring that drops from Naxx.

That's mostly because Blizzard made changes to druid tanking after Naxx loot was created, so no rings from Naxx were created with modern druid tanking stats in mind. The rest of the reason this ring is better is because its a higher item level. It will have more stats, so even though it isn't properly itemized for your spec, just having more stats may make it an upgrade.

For a druid, this ring blows for avoidance. You'd get the same amount of dodge from 42 agility (38 agility if you have blessing of kings). There are rings from 5 mans with more than 42 agility.

I can only think of two reasons to take this ring (as a druid):
1. High stamina. In some fights that comes in handy. You're kinda throwing avoidance out the window, but if there's one fight out there where that's suitable this ring would come in handy.
2. You recently hit 80 and want to boost your gear score quickly so you can get into raids, so you pick this up off the AH.

The problem with the Signet of Winter isn't just that it has parry rating, but that it isn't itemized for druids at all. All leather armor for druids has agility, AP, and crit (no strength, no bonus armor, no defense, and no dodge rating). Tanking rings with strength are not intended for druids. These rings have strength, bonus armor, defense, and dodge rating (but no agility or crit). Entirely different stats. If strength, defense, and dodge rating were good stats for druid tanks, why would it be completely absent on leather armor?

The answer is because those stats give greater benefits to plate-wearing tanks, but aren't that special for druids. All plate-wearing tanks get something more from strength than just AP (increased block value for warriors and paladins, increased parry rate for DKs). Aside from defense, plate-wearing tanks have no good source of dodge. Those classes get less dodge from agility, making dodge rating a good stat to have. Druids get more dodge from agility than from dodge rating, so dodge rating is a waste of itemization. Druids also have higher armor values than plate tanks, so they get less of a benefit from bonus armor. These stats are not ideal for druids and these rings are not intended for druids.

For the encounters where stamina is not paramount, you can get much better rings. If you're looking for pre-Ulduar rings, Strong-Handed Ring is probably the best you'll find. I'd even take Hemorrhaging Circle over Signet of Winter.

If you're looking for alternatives from Ulduar, there's the Band of Draconic Guile and Loop of the Agile. Both give you more dodge than the Signet of Winter (0.59% more and 0.71% more respectively).

Комментарий от smiley001

I'm surprised that nobody has made any mention of the fact that this ring is BoE :o
*clears throat* - This ring Binds on Equip!

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