Since it hasn't been added...

Assume the 45s cooldown like most wrath trinkets:

10s duration x 512 spell power / 45s cooldown = 113.78 Spell Power Average.
Increasing this to 55s, assuming a delayed proc and you get 93 spell power.

Still better than a lot of trinkets, but not all. Especially those you have control over to coordinate with heroisms/bloodlusts

Комментарий от Parasha

i just wanted to ask.. does this trinket share the cooldown with https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=40682

thanks :)

Комментарий от 257181

This trinket stacks quite nicely with sundial of the exiled. The procs are both 10% with separate internal cool downs. This means there is a small percent chance to proc both at the same resulting in a huge boost to your spell damage. Even if they do not proc simultaneously, having two trinkets to boost your spell damage is very nice. The crit rating on the trinkets is also nothing to scoff at, particularly for frostfire mages whose DPS is very dependent on crit.

Комментарий от 182830

internal CD is longer than 45s, about 1min 40 seconds according to my tests

Комментарий от Zarasz

Thats very strange. When I got both trinkets 2 days ago, I had them once active at the same time but my char screen didnt show both, only 1. Today I had both active and both buffs did count.

Комментарий от 272171

they stack

Комментарий от 185117

Unlike Sundial of the Exiled, this does not say harmful spells and therefore it should work with heals.

Комментарий от 150104

It has already been said (I'm pretty sure) That this can proc off basically anything but i stil wanted to throw in my 2 Cents.

The strangest most unusual thing for me to proc it occured today. I was cooking Rhino Dogs for the Daily Mustard dogs and it ptocced off creating the 4th Rhino Dog o.O

Комментарий от 184801

would it be wrong to roll on this against a dps caster as a holy pally the tooltip doesnt seem to restrict it to harmful spells so it could proc on heals

Комментарий от 11177

Been farming for this trinket for a week and finally got it today being the only spell caster in group.

I can confirm it is wonderful for Paladins in that it procs off any spell. I log in, and within 5 flash heals the trinket procs with this

https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=60479

I'm sure its a 45sec internal CD, which is great for spam heal intensive fights. Unlike the badge trinket which does not work with heals.

Let's hope blizz doesn't change it. :)

Комментарий от Covv

One of the nicest trinkets around for a CoH holy priest, the passive crit is amazing for SoL and HC procs. Definately something to put on your list of gear to collect while working toward 25mans.

Комментарий от 137505

This procced off my Mage Teleport spell

Комментарий от 150024

This trinket procs off of any spell that triggers GCD. Literally. This includes professions and racials, and things like healthstones and mana gems.

It does not seem to proc off of a few exceptions. Water Shield, auras, and shapeshifting are some for obvious reasons.

A tip for healers: the additional spell power on this proc justifies renewing HoTs if you are not tight on mana. This includes Earth Shield, PoM, and all HoTs.

This is almost always the case with refreshing DoTs for damage dealers as well. Though, there are times where refreshing DoTs is lost DPS period. Like when the target is going to die 5 seconds after you refresh your Corruption!

I just watched a Destruction Warlock lose this to a Resto Druid! Brutal!

Комментарий от 103005

Sadly, Blizzard is getting a little dull with the names of the procs on some of the trinkets. The badge ones are cool, but most of the rest of them are just the names of the trinkets.

Комментарий от 57891

I accidentally sold mine when I was holy specced because I didn't know its full potential and unwary of my hit cap. I thought the one from VH was better.

Now i'm shadow I feel so stuipid :(

Don't let this happen to you!

Комментарий от 235605

Would this trinket be better for a Frostfire cookie-cutter mage than Darkmoon Card: Death?

I'm aware of their need for the highest crit stat possible, but I'm wondering which should be of higher priority based solely upon stat-calculation method.

Комментарий от 242035

If you are a Arcane Mage with Mage Armor up, and have this trinket, just spam Mana Shield before a fight. In theory with no haste, this should proc at your 10th mana shield cast (15 seconds). If you time it well, you can get this boost "controled" :D

Комментарий от 234711

Any Discipline Priests out there that can answer a question. Would the Forge Ember be a better choice for us then https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=40258 at endgame? Without forethought I have 2100 unbuffed spellpower. The Forge Ember brings my crit chance to 28.41% with holy spells. Is the crit worth the trade off? (And is the heal overtime on the https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=40258 useless like I think it is?)

Комментарий от 341898

I'm currently using this on my enhance shaman as well as Meteorite Whetstone. Who could deny 147 crit rating/512 spell power/444 haste rating? I'll have both trinkets and mongoose proc all at once. IMO it's not only for ranged casters, but melee casters as well.

Комментарий от aneossino

ppl it procs off of Life Tap xD!

Комментарий от 353891

This trinket truly is amazing. While the buff does not last long, it is very good even into Naxx 25. I am still using it while in full tier 7.5 as a COH priest. The passive crit is huge and the fact is can proc on heals unlike it's epic dps conterpart (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=40682) makes it extremely valuble to all healers.

Комментарий от wallix

This is the Shiffar's Nexus-Horn of WOTLK.

Комментарий от Morbius

I noticed some posts above that make some incorrect assumptions about the time between procs for this trinket. The average time between trinket procs is not equal to 45 + spell cast time * number of casts between procs. This assumes that the person isn't casting any spells during the cooldown which is incorrect most of the time. What the cooldown does is it suppresses trinket procs while the cooldown is in effect it doesn't suppress the 10% chance per spell cast.

This means that if you have a spell that has a 1 second cast time it will have a chance of triggering the trinket every 10 seconds. The cooldown will suppress the first 4 procs which will happen in 40 seconds that leaves 5 seconds until the cooldown is done and then 5 more seconds before the 5th proc can happen. The 5th proc is the only one that will happen because of the cooldown. That means that a spell with a 1 second cast time with a 10% proc chance will trigger the trinket every 50 seconds not every 55 seconds as claimed by some people above.

The correct formula is as follows:

Time between possible procs, or for convenience TBPP, = spell cast time divided by the proc chance.
Possible procs during the cooldown, or for convenience PPDCD = Internal cooldown divided by TBPP.
if the PPDCD is not a whole number then round up to the nearest whole number then multiply that by the TBPP.

The result is the time between trinket procs. The following is an example using fireball as the spell.
Fireball has a 3 second unhasted cast time, therefore:

TBPP = 3 / 0.1 or 30 seconds
PPDCD = 45 / TBPP or 45 / 30 or 1.5
Since 1.5 is not a whole number we round PPDCD up to 2
Time between procs = PPDCD * TBPP or 2 * 30 or 60 seconds

Using Scorch instead we get:

TBPP = 1.5 / 0.1 or 15 seconds
PPDCD = 45 / TBPP or 45 / 15 or 3
Since 3 is a whole number we leave it alone.
Time between procs = PPDCD * TBPP or 3 * 1.5 or 45 seconds

I did a test using 1.4 second hasted scorch. The formula above predicts a time between procs of 56 seconds I got 52 second average time between procs.

I took off all my haste gear so that scorch was casting every 1.5 seconds. The formula above predicts a time between procs of 45 seconds I got 45.5 second average time between procs.

The odd thing about this behavior is that if the time between possible procs evenly divides 45, such as 15 or 22.5, then the time between triggers will actually be less than if the time between possible procs is 14.9 or 22.4. As you can see above my hasted scorch actually triggered the trinket less often than unhasted scorch.

Комментарий от 240598

This means that if you have a spell that has a 1 second cast time it will have a chance of triggering the trinket every 10 seconds. The cooldown will suppress the first 4 procs which will happen in 40 seconds that leaves 5 seconds until the cooldown is done and then 5 more seconds before the 5th proc can happen.

It wasnt implied, it was written explicitly.

To fix it, you would write,

This means that if you have a spell that has a 1 second cast time it will have 10 chances of triggering the trinket every 10 seconds. The cooldown will suppress the first few procs which will happen in 45 seconds. After this each cast will be able to proc at 10% per cast.

Look on the smaller scale, stop grouping by 10s and look at each cast individually as independant trials.

Also, by your method, 300 casts (you said about 200 so ill give you the benefit of the doubt) would only allow for 6-7 procs, which Is not enough to claim decent accuracy unless your range was not very big. If you did inflate you would only be looking at 2-4 procs, definately not enough.

My source: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t21822-proc_mechanics/ Anyone half decent in math could put my formula in line with the one shown for uptime.

However Delricks model looks like something Ive seen in 2nd year stats, and may be correct.

Комментарий от 125795

Spellpower trinkets for druids:
200 spellpower Illustration of the Dragon Soul
140 spellpower Show of Faith +66mp5
136 spellpower Pandora's Plea +27mp5
125 spellpower Eye of the Broodmother +1.9%crit
111 spellpower Forethought Talisman +20mp5
111 spellpower Titan-Forged Rune of Audacity
110 spellpower Sif's Remembrance +53mp5
106 spellpower Je'Tze's Bell +34mp5
100 spellpower Darkmoon Card: Illusion +25mp5
100 spellpower Talisman of Resurgence +32mp5
98 spellpower Embrace of the Spider +92haste rating
98 spellpower The Egg of Mortal Essence +92haste rating
93 spellpower Forge Ember +1.59%crit
75 spellpower Soul Preserver +80mp5
68 spellpower Binding Light +57mp5
68 spellpower Energy Siphon +54mp5
68 spellpower Futuresight Rune +12mp5
63 spellpower Redeemer's Alchemist Stone
62 spellpower Memento of Tyrande +26mp5
59 spellpower Mercurial Alchemist Stone +50haste rating
58 spellpower Winged Talisman +36mp5

Комментарий от 12980

As an arcane mage, I attempted to roll on this when it dropped. I used the random heroic dungeon LFG tool, and could not roll need on it. I don't quite understand why, unless it's a bug.

Комментарий от agressiv

2nd caster trinket I've come across that wouldnt let me roll need as a mage. Luckily I won the greed roll, and I had shouted out to the party to roll greed please and 3 of em managed to do that.

Комментарий от 318094

I like this trinket for its versatility. Whether I'm smiting or flash healing, it's able to proc, and despite its item level, the amount of spellpower you get from it when it procs is surprisingly good. There are two other level 80 trinkets that yield the same proc conditions for a spellpower proc off the top of my head: the hard-to-obtain-unless-you-have-people-wanting-to-run-Uld-25 Pandora's Plea, or the easier-to-obtain-but-just-as-unlikely-unless-you-find-people-bored-enough-to-run-Naxx25 Dying Curse. Combined with one of the Ashen Bands, you will notice some interesting occurrences when you have one of the rings plus any two of the trinkets.

The first is when they all go off relatively at the same time, in which case you will notice a frighteningly massive boost to your overall performance during that short duration.

But, as the fight wears on you will notice something a tad more interesting: when they stop going off at the same time and you rarely see yourself without at least one of the procs up, netting a semi-permanent boost to your spellpower throughout. Every trinket with this sort of proc has an internal cooldown of 45 seconds, with the ring procs possessing a 1 minute ICD.

On boss fights where I'm in control and/or in 5-mans, I have been known to swap out my usual trinks for Forge Ember and Dying Curse, sometimes to humor myself, usually to lolsmite, and occasionally when I'm thinking outside the box for an alternate-but-helpful approach to certain fights (like buffing my shields during the Deathbringer Saurfang fight). Ideally, I'd like to combine Forge Ember and Pandora's Plea, but till I find people who wanna run Uld25 in this day and age, Dying Curse will have to do.

For dps, there are stronger choices than Forge Ember if you wanna try to do a similar trick for proc upkeep (Abyssal Rune and Sundial of the Exiled immediately come to mind for those fresh into 80, Phylactery of the Nameless Lich and Dislodged Foreign Object, obviously including their heroic counterparts, for seasoned raiders, and Flare of the Heavens somewhere in between for those trinket hunters such as myself), but for the bored healer or the healer who has been told to just dps until things get intense (in which case Dying Curse's hit rating becomes a help and not a hindrance), feel free to try out any of the heal-or-kill spellpower proc trinket combos I mentioned in the upper paragraphs. You might be surprised at the results.

Комментарий от 624070

Crit my first 20k+ heal in pretty crappy 80 gear with the proc and HealingWave.Makes you feel pretty strong =)

Комментарий от 641660

Does anyone know if this would interfere or co-operate with Ancient Pickled Egg?

Комментарий от vetini

2 questions

1 - forge shared cd with sundial? Солнечные часы изгнанника
2 - they can activate together leveling up to 1k sp ?

sorry for bad english

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Its almost just as good as the Sundial of the Exiled., While much easier/faster to obtain. Does anyone know the prot chances? of both?

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