This item is a slight upgrade to the Talon of the Tempest ( https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=30723 ) from Doomwalker, assuming you're socketing the Talon with +9 spell damage gems. If you need those sockets for more hit or crit or whatever, YMMV. +4 spell hit, +1 spell crit, +5 spell damage, +6 MP5 compared to a talon with 2 runed living rubies.

Комментарий от 95102

This. Is. What. Ele Shamans. Have. Been. Looking. For. People will say "Ya, whoever can benefit from +spell dmg and who can use the dagger gets it.....etc" but THIS should be designated to an elemental shaman over any other caster in a raid group. Why you may ask?
1. The biggest reason I can see is well, first off, it's a dagger...duh. There are a TON of spell dmg swords that are fairly easily accessable out there for locks/mages, but the only real option an ele sham has before this (in raids) is the mindblade and farming that thing just gets rediculous....
2. The main thing that comes out to me about this weap is the 6mp5/spell crit combo. There is *one* other caster dagger in the WHOLE game which has mp5 and it's off Azurgos while being a lvl 60 item....so yea...not great at 70. Ele shams LOVE mp5 and crit, it's really what we rely on in raids because our spells and class in general are so mana inefficient (sure it changes in 2.3 a bit, but having no evocate or life tap, we'll never be anywhere near where mages/warlocks shadow priests in levels of mana efficiency).
3. Blizz promised ele shams some itemization in Zul'Aman and I believe this is the main present they are giving us. We deserve it...:D?
4. It's pretty ugly and could only really look decent on a troll shammy :P.

There will of course be people saying the whole "anyone who can use should take" dealio, but I'll direct them to the *best* caster item (along with the coolest looking as well...) in ZA the Blade of Twisted Visions off Zul'jin or sword in Gruul, sword in SSC....so on so on. Or for that mater, the large number of caster staves that are out there that no *good* ele sham should use. So i'll just go on and put it out there...

ELE SHAM ITEM

Комментарий от 9667

Named for Wubwub, EJ's sexy Shaman :P

Комментарий от 34204

"1. The biggest reason I can see is well, first off, it's a dagger...duh. There are a TON of spell dmg swords that are fairly easily accessable out there for locks/mages, but the only real option an ele sham has before this (in raids) is the mindblade and farming that thing just gets rediculous...."

They get swords, you get maces. As for your mindblade argument, how many spell damage swords are in Karazhan? None, only the staff, dagger, and off-hands, all of which any caster in the game save Paladins can use. If you didn't notice, there is also a spell damage mace that drops from ZA that Mages and Warlocks can't roll on.

"2. The main thing that comes out to me about this weap is the 6mp5/spell crit combo. There is *one* other caster dagger in the WHOLE game which has mp5 and it's off Azurgos while being a lvl 60 item....so yea...not great at 70. Ele shams LOVE mp5 and crit, it's really what we rely on in raids because our spells and class in general are so mana inefficient (sure it changes in 2.3 a bit, but having no evocate or life tap, we'll never be anywhere near where mages/warlocks shadow priests in levels of mana efficiency)."

Mana efficiency isn't just for Shaman. Shadow priests who are depended on to supply mana to other party members? Moonkin? And as for crit, how can you say you need that more than a Mage, Destruction Warlock, or Balance Druid? You get potentially more to start off with from talents; also almost all your mail gear has spell crit on it; please tell me how much Moonkin gear has spell crit on it. Hint: it's not a whole lot.

"3. Blizz promised ele shams some itemization in Zul'Aman and I believe this is the main present they are giving us. We deserve it...:D?"

No, it's the spell damage mace and the mail gear that was promised as "Elemental Shaman only" (Druids, Paladins, and Priests can still use the mace) gear. If this was meant for only Elemental Shaman, they clearly would have restricted it to being used by them.

In short, news flash: your class isn't the only one that needs loots. Save the "OMG THIS ITEM FOR THIS CLASS" arguments for Thottbot, k? Thanks.

Комментарий от 34204

To Xombo: Shaman are fine with weapon itemization. You get all the daggers and staves that Mages and Warlocks do; yes, they get swords, but you similarly get maces; that was my point earlier, they balance out in the end. True, there are some swords in which there is no mace counterpart, but that is a reason why maces are being added with this instance...Karazhan reflects this in the fact that there are not only no spell damage maces, but no swords as well.

You say that Karazhan doesn't matter because many guilds are progressed past it, but it does matter because the classes that are doing 25-mans and that will be doing Zul'Aman will be in Karazhan gear, and if Karazhan gear is fine, then in a perspective prior to 2.3 I don't understand what the problem is that you're trying to point out.

My other point is that this is a dagger, not a mace; again if it was intended for Elemental Shaman it would be a mace, and the drop from ZA that actually is a mace would not be. It doesn't make sense to make this item as a dagger - which Mages, Warlocks, Priests, Druids, and Shaman can use - if it's more heavily intended for one of the five...

Spell crit is used not only by Shaman, but by Mages, Druids, and Destruction Warlocks as well.

Mp5 is also often desirable by Priests and Druids. Also, I don't think a mp5 value of six is significant enough to call a class distinction on the weapon.

Why would this item be harder to replace? There are better daggers and staves in the game than this weapon that have similar attribution of stats.

Although I wouldn't say the Amani Punisher (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=33283) is better in every respect than this dagger, it is not horrible:

Compared to this dagger:
+7 spell hit
+30 stamina
-20 spell crit
-6 mana per 5

Yes, it is less damage output; but the mace is a better option for PvP if the Arena one-hands are not an option for you because of the large difference in Stamina (as in, you're trying to get the armor first). As to what you said about spell hit; every class gets spell hit from talents, not just Shaman, and you ideally (at least, it doesn't hurt to) want to reach the cap of 16%; if you used Totem of Wrath that means you need to gain 5% more spell hit, or 63 (I think) rating; the Elemental Tier 4 set only has 39...so unless all your other slots contain spell hit, spell hit on a weapon causes you to not need to enchant or gem it.

Комментарий от Geno

Apparently lost in the above debate...

An excellent caster weapon all around - It gives a solid bunch of stats, which lets you be a little more lenient overall. Instead of grabbing a weapon from Kara, SSC, or TK with straight +Crit, +Hit, or whatever, you can get everything at once with this. Honestly, this is an awesome weapon even into BT / Hyjal for most casters.

Besides, it's Chromagg's Claw mark two. Who doesn't want a giant razor nail!

Комментарий от larkhainan

There's absolutely no reason to have sustained arguments over items on wowhead. For one, no matter how glorious, beautiful and perfect your merits are ... We're not actually the people in your raid group.

We can't determine if you get loot.

In terms of the item's stats, it has an even mix of multiple caster stats. The lack of stamina and resilience mean you will be unlikely to desire this for pvp. As such in almost every case (beyond, I suppose, moonkin) one of the stats on it will not be fully effective for your class. Hit isn't so amazing for shamans and shadow priests, for example, since they cap easily. MP5 isn't as amazing for mages but remains excellent for the previous classes. So on and so forth. Anything stated should really bear in mind it's just a very nice weapon and should go to whoever wins the roll, needs it the most or what have you.

Also it's worth bearing in mind this is only 7 ilvls (a raid tier, generally speaking) above the ubiquitous Nathrezim Mindblade.

Комментарий от 50728

Good to see a PvE caster weapon sacrificing stamina for mana regen. Also, since no caster talent scales with haste (while crit sure does) this one is better than Zul'jin's sword, hands down.

Комментарий от 82881

As a 0/21/40 gnomelock, this weapon made me drool when it dropped. Rolled a 95 and this puppy was mine. Yeah it doesn't have stamina which warlocks like, but I will find a way to manage still having more health than all the other casters in raids :-P

Thanks to the beauty, I now don't have to cross my fingers and spend high DKP on the sword off Leo. Nor do I really need to worry about doing arena just to get a good PVE caster weapon. This little gem has so many awesome stats packed into a one hander. I recommend anyone with a competent guild, to run ZA lots. Not only for this dagger, but for other nice caster gear (see Hood of Hexing for one example)

Not to mention it has a unique look and will get lots of attention from friends and fellow raiders. Definitely worth going for!

Комментарий от 116147

Shamans and druids rejoice, with the buff to the sword off Zul'jin, our clothie friends will now be passing this awesome dagger to us!

<end sarcasm>

Комментарий от Kaitain

Given the upcoming extreme nerf to Life Tap, as a lock i wouldn't worry about the lack of stamina at all. Locks now need at least as much mana as they have HP.

Комментарий от 141790

Who the hell is Wub?

Комментарий от NightmareMJ

This is the best Balance druid or Holy Dps priest(aka non-shadow spec dps priest) in the game as far as 1-handers go, while in staves it is out matched in BT and sunwell, for its very balanced stats,mp5, high int, and a mix of spell hit and spell crit(which is vital for a main hand if using a one hander as a boomkin/lawlsmiter).

Notably hard to get drop for you if your either spec/class though >.<

Комментарий от 93191

Hunter item?

Комментарий от 166605

/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Shift-click this to place a link into a chat message: \124cffa335ee\124Hitem:30910:0:0:0:0:0:0:0\124h\124h\124r"); Is a sword Thats why he said shamans cant use swords

Комментарий от Enthorn

With patch 3.0 changes to spell hit, Fire Mages will want to take this over Blade of Twisted Visions. While the latter has 12 more spell damage, and 21 haste, the hexblade has 13 hit, which is undeniably better than 12 spell damage, due to the way specs are turning out.

That is, it's been shown in DPS tests using Rawr, across the board, that Clearcasting specs fair better than Elemental Precision specs. This means 3% less hit, however, and another 1% due to the 99% gap closing (it's now possible to obtain 100%, therefore mages need 17% hit).

Critical strike rating is also arguably favored point for point over haste due to increased chances of MoE (mana returns on crits), and more Hot Streak procs. While it is arguable that haste also increases the amount of Hot Streak procs (due to more spells being cast), it doesn't increase it nearly as much. Your chance per spell is still the same, regardless of how many you cast or how fast you cast them. (Not to mention the Mp5 bonus, however minimal.)

Compared to Maelstrom's Fury, however, it is debatable. Maelstrom's Fury packs a solid 19 spell damage lead over Hexblade. It sports slightly higher crit (but as for MoE, the Mp5 return on hexblade still beats it). However, 19 spell damage is easily better than 13 hit rating. If anything, you'd be better off getting hit rating from gems, where you can go point to point against damage. That means swapping out a 12 damage gem for a 5 hit / 6 damage gem. In that case, you're trading 6 damage for 5 hit. Whereas with hexblade, you'd be trading 6 damage for 3.15 hit.

Also note that all of these weapons, including Sunflare from Kil'Jaeden, become completely obsolete at level 80. Flameheart Spell Scalpel, for instance, is a direct upgrade to Sunflare.

Hexblade and Maelstrom's Fury are replaced even before that, at level 77, with Saronite Spellblade.

Комментарий от 233028

Just got this to drop last night for my lock...sweetness on a stick.

Комментарий от 230898

Just got this an hour ago. Very nice blade.

Комментарий от 218473

Trivia: Appears to be the dual wielded weapon of the Amani'shi Tempest...nothing much I just made an observation

Комментарий от Borsalino

A favorite among dubstep fans.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Dropped for us tonight in a raid with no dps casters save my shadowpriest. =)

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/Slo86GT/hexblade.jpg

Комментарий от Thottbot

the item my look like crap but the stats dont..hexblade > mindblade anyday.

Комментарий от Thottbot

HEY! they are just trolls in a fkin stone age temple, what u think they r gunna pull a sick ass knife outta their asses? give em a break

Комментарий от Thottbot

Quite comparable with the S2 Gladiator Spellblade (Arena) and the Fang of Leviathan (SSC), depending on class (classes that benefit a lot from mp5)

Comparison with S2
------------------
+6 mp5
+20 crit rating
+3 intellect

-18 resilence
-8 spell damage
-27 stamina
-3 hit rating

Comparison with Fang
---------------------
+1 intellect
+13 hit rating

-28 stamina
-4 spell damage
-1 crit

This dagger is very nice for all spell dps classes since it offers a bit of everything (hit, spell dmg, crit mp5) whereas the other 2 comparison weapons are more focused on one aspect of stats.

Комментарий от Thottbot

if you got enough stam its better then those two imo.. mp5 on weapons like this is very rare

Комментарий от Thottbot

who cares how it looks, this dagger is awesome!

Комментарий от Thottbot

just got this today as a lock. this is strictly a pve weapon.
imo, this is the best all round pve caster weapon till bt bar tempest of chaos. the mp5 on this weapon suites mages and ele shamans but the allround equip bonus', ie hit and crit, make it acceptable for any caster dps class to roll on this. it &*!@s all over mindblade/azuresong, and the 4 damage less and the 28 stam on the fang is made up by the added hit bonus. very happy with this weapon. bumps me closer to the hit cap with about 23% crit and 1100 damage unbuffed now :)

Комментарий от Thottbot

As a Warlock, I would easily take this and pass Blade of Twisted Visions (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=33467/клинок-искаженных-видений) to a Mage.
Spell Hit and Spell Crit > Spell Haste pre-Tier 5 gear.

Комментарий от Thottbot

drool

Комментарий от Thottbot

Ya great for all you spell casters and what not but what about us dagger rogues huh? Where's the dagger for us in this new patch lol no fair.... thank god we have that badass sword though

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just PVE weapon， stupid for pvp.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Boomkin dagger. Decent for a mage too.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I'm a PvP moonkin on Twilight's Hammer EU, went to ZA with a pug last night and this dropped, no one needed it so i got it for PvE . Not bad, wondering what OH to get along with it now...

Mémories aka Kuur @ Twilight's Hammer EU

Комментарий от Thottbot

Doomkin dagger all the way. Pair with Fetish of the Primal Gods. Bring along your mp5 gear and talents, and tell whoever calls you an oomkin to get a clue! :D Amani Punisher is nice and from the same instance.

Also, the haste on that off-hand will now affect GCD = haste will work for Wrath. Get it. Nowish.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I want this on my ele shaman and if any of my guild members roll on it ill kill them, but humamly like throwing them off a cliff or porting them to a horde city.

Комментарий от Thottbot

they made Wubwub's dagger! OMG!

Комментарий от Thottbot

I actually like the way this thing looks. Picked it up on my mage last night, easily the best pre BT caster weapon in the game (excluding the tempest of chaos, obviously)

Комментарий от Thottbot

Mages aren't going to benefit much from 6mp5, let alone notice any difference, its kinda like Blizz putting Spirit on our Tier stuff. Save your badges go buy Scryer's Blade of Focus, let the boomkins and Shadow priests roll on it Imo.

Комментарий от Thottbot

It's good for elemental shamans too. I am trying to get this weapon since it has crit on it and decent damage. All the other weapons have tons of hit, which can be put to better use since the hitcap is so low for shamans.

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