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Comentado por 153274

Seems more sensible to be able to sit down, as an alchemist, with a bunch of herbs and experiment with them rather than be working with a specific selection of herbs and suddenly discover how to make something completely different.

A very good addition, in my opinion.

Comentado por 208776

seems like a great idea to me, I've been doing an xmute a day forever now and haven't discovered crap with current method

Comentado por yawgmoth

This looks fantastic. I spent months trying to discover all of the flasks in TBC, each day farming herbs for hours just so I could go make 100+ elixirs. With this we'll be able to get the recipes at about the same pace as a rabid farmer, but with less painful grinding.

Comentado por smcn

Just used this for the first time tonight, I learned how to make Elixir of Accuracy, and as a nice surprise also created a Flask of the Frost Wyrm!

Comentado por 196558

Has anyone discovered any of the BC discovered recipes using this? Say, will I have a chance to discover Flask of Relentless Assault and Blinding Light (my last 2 discoveries!), or will it be only new Northrend recipes?

(I already like this system much, much better no matter what the answer is.)

Comentado por Firebug

I wonder if Elixir mastery will allow multiple bonus flasks/elixirs from this.

And if it does... is it multiplicative? Meaning instead of 3, it procs elixir mastery of x2, and gives you 6?

Comentado por Devrana

I learned Elixir of Armor Piercing and made a Flask of the Frost Wyrm.

Comentado por zajani

Has anyone discovered a transmute from doing this research? It says that the transmutes can be discovered from doing other transmutes but how do you learn the first one?

Comentado por Eliminati

The first transmute that leads to all others is titanium. Do it, and research early and as often as cooldown allows.

Comentado por Larrylaffer

Discovered Crazy Alchemist's Potion and made 2x Elixir of Accuracy.

Comentado por 255163

I like where this new system has taken Alchemy. Will miss the "suprise" while mixing 50-100 elixers at a time though...

Has anyone done there weekly research and NOT learned a new recipe? No Alchemists I know have missed yet. Just curious if that is really a possibility.

The transmutes also rely on discoveries, starting with one while doing Titanium and moving on from there with Eternals (the new Primals) in case anyone was wondering. Has anyone managed to discovery the Eternal Might transmute yet?

Comentado por 198659

Discovered Elixir of Lightning Speed.
Oddly, created 2 TBC Flasks of Relentless Assault

Comentado por 135042

Discovered Potion of Wild Magic
Made Elixir of Mighty Defense x 2

Comentado por 259258

Week 1

Discovered : Elixir of Expertise
Made: 2x Spellpower Elixir

Week 2

Comentado por Beltiras

Here's the list of suspected discoveries. You find it by choosing alchemy and then choosing source as none (since WoWhead hasn't populated it yet, needs data). I'd also set the lowest skill to 350 but for some reason the list comes up empty if you do.

Comentado por 135042

Discovered Elixir of Armor Piercing
Created Flask of the Frost Wrym

Discovered Potion of Speed
Created Elixir of Lightning Speed

Comentado por 48154

The tooltip doesn't say anything about a chance, so it is certain that you will learn a new recipe everytime you experiment.

Comentado por 267801

Try 1

Discovered: Elixir of Expertise
Created: Spellpower Elixir x2

Try 2

Discovered: Elixir of Mighty Mageblood
Created: Elixir of Mighty Thoughts x2

Try 4

Discovered: Powerful Rejuvenation Potion
Created: Flask of Relentless Assault x2

Will update as I go along

Comentado por orgonutil

wtf, i used the skill and... nothing to discover, just received a flask ¬¬

Comentado por KurtFury

I did it and made 1 Flask of the Frost Wyrm! NO discovery!

Comentado por 38978

My first one 3 weeks ago didnt result in any discovery, just 2 flasks, after that 2 in a row with new recipes.
Chamus

Comentado por 95299

Just tried this the 1st time.

I'm L71, Alchemy 415. Elixer Master

Skill increased to 416
Learned to make Elixer of Mighty Mageblood
Created 2 Spellpower Elixer

Comentado por 239198

I was so eager to get this I spent about 100g working up my alchemy, only to use it and get a flask - no discovery.
Perhaps next Sunday will yield profitable results.

Comentado por mwsmith15

So, I am sure most have thought of this, but I have yet to see anything about it... What happens when you have learned all of the elixir/pot/flask recipes? Does this skill become unusable or does it simply create a random elixir etc. with no new skill learned?

Comentado por Mairin

Week 1

Discovered: Elixir of Accuracy
Created: 1x Flask of the Frost Wyrm

Week 2

Discovered: Elixir of Lightning Speed
Created: 1x Flask of Relentless Assault

Week 3

Discovered: Potion of Speed
Created: 2x Elixir of Expertise

Week 4

Discovered: Elixir of Mighty Defense
Created: 3x Elixir of Mighty Defense

Week 5

Discovered: Elixir of Protection
Created: 2x Elixir of Accuracy

Week 6

Discovered: Potion of Wild Magic
Created: 2x Elixir of Protection

Week 7

Comentado por 297163

Yes, it is possible to discover transmutes using this research.
I discovered how to transmute Eternal Life to Fire on my first use
and how to make the Crazy Alchemist Potion on my second which also yielded 2 Elixirs of Lightning Speed.

Comentado por 229204

does anyone know if we will keep the discoveries if we drop alchemy and pick it back up later?

Comentado por xstaindx

3.0.8

Reduced the cooldown on Northrend Alchemy Research from 7 days to 3 days.

Comentado por SannaSK

Unfortunately, you can indeed learn vendor recipes from NAR. The first recipe I learned was Indestructible Potion, something I could easily have learned from the vendor I was standing right next to. My thought was, "Surely they won't have us learn recipes we could buy, so I'll do my NAR right now and wait to gain more Kirin Tor rep so the vendor recipes will be cheaper."

Wrooooooooong.

Buy up all your vendor recipes as quick as you can before you do NAR. My CD is up in 6 hours, I'll let you know what I get this time. At least in 3.0.8, NAR's CD is like 3 days or something, instead of /seven/.

Comentado por 88618

What I found interesting about it is you can create elixers you don't know how to make, for instance I never learned any of the lvl 70 elixers as I leveled this guy straight through to 80, but I created 2x Flask of Relentless Assault

Comentado por Astrya

so far my discoveries have been:

elixir of expertise
elixir of deadly strikes
elixir of armor piercing
elixir of lightning speed
potion of speed
elixir of mighty mageblood
powerful rejuvenation potion
potion of wild magic
crazy alchemist's potion
elixir of water walking
elixir of accuracy
elixir of mighty defense
elixir of protection

Comentado por 268533

Can anyone confirm if when you do research, you are limited to discovering something within the range of your alchemy skills?

IE, if you are not within the new Flask range (so you are around like around 400-405 with Alchemy Skill), can you Discover something like a Flask of the Frostwyrm (something in the 430+ range)?

I just used Northrend Alchemy Research for the first time at 400 skill level.
I discovered Elixir of Lightning Speed, which Wowhead currently shows
as a 415 skill required (or there just hasn't been enough data collected yet).

Comentado por Llotus

They canged the mats for this to 10x goldclover, 10x Adder's Tongue, 4x Talandra's Rose, and 4x Enchanted Vials.

Comentado por 178874

With the reduced cost, this might actually be worth doing even after you discovered all current recipes since you are likely to get a flask out of it using herbs you may not have much use for elsewhere.

Comentado por 218119

As of patch 3.0.8 they supposedly increased the proc rate for learning a Northrend level Transmutation (eternals)

Comentado por TweFoju

can we learn the same recipe that we already have? for example, we already have Elixir of the Mighty Mageblood, then we use this skill. is there a possible way we can learn the recipe twice again?

Comentado por 317549

Last time I did not discover anything, just recieved 2x Elixir of lightning speed. So it seems that getting flasks are not guaranteed after you have discovered everything. I'm also still missing one of the TBC flasks, so this does seem to only work on the new WOTLK recipes as the name suggests.

Comentado por Danaan

It seems that the priority in doing the research lies on elixirs first. After I had discovered every elixir recipe, I am only getting new potion recipes.

The last one I discovered was Potion of Wild Magic

Additionally, learning transmutation recipes is very easy. It took me a very small amount of time to learn all transmutations.

Comentado por shaftoe

From all appearances, there are 13 recipes that can be discovered through the Northrend Alchemy Research.

This list shows the set of recipes prior to 3.0.8.

Elixir of Water Walking was added in 3.0.8 as a discoverable recipe.

Comentado por kaytie

There is currently a known bug where it doesn't check your known recipes, so if you discover one you already know, it'll just fizzle.

Comentado por 158647

I burned my cd today without discovering anything. Made one flask of frost worm and that was it. very disappointing. it is not as though i've discovered anywhere near all of the available recipes. I am the only alchemist i know to whom this has happened.

Comentado por 249308

I have been doing my Northrend Alchemy Research every CD since WOTLK dropped.

This past week is the first time I've done a Research with no new recipe. I got 2x Flask of Relentless Assault (yay BC flasks, oh joy).

I have discovered all the Northrend discovery elixirs and potions, but none of the transmutes. I'm not sure if I should continue to waste the rather large amount of herbs needed for Northrend Alchemy Research to see if my results change, or just figure it's out of things to give me and work on doing transmutes to learn the transmute discoveries.

Comentado por Masken

Since 3.08 i havnt gotten any discoverys from NAR, i know for a fact that its not becauce i have learned all i can. so this is about 4-5 times without a discovery, anyone else noticed a diffrence?

Comentado por sillusus

I would just know if the northrend recherch can make us learn some outland' potion/elixir ?

Comentado por mistadabolina

I just recieved a discovery twice. It's the armor piercing thing. I'm only on 424 skill in my alchemy maybe 'full' now. So be patient with this. I'll skill some more before I try this again.

I'm a casual that don't play that much. For you hardcore players I guess this wont be a problem.

Comentado por Sauze

Sorry guys.

I see in other people their Statistic tab that they got "inscriptions learned 370"
I only have 365.
I've learned everything from the trainer inscriptior. He couldn't give me anything new.
I've done all my minor and major discovery inscription to the point it only gives me random scrolls. (even continued doing it 3 days after learning everything)
(I also have the Typhoon glyph, Blast wave Glyph, Focus Glyph that were new).

With this macro I'm able to count the amount of Minor and Major glyphs. Currently, there should be 63 minors and 213 major glyphs.

Use this macro when you have your inscription list open:
Minor
/run local g,c,l=GameTooltip,0 for i=1,GetNumTradeSkills() do g:SetOwner(this,"ANCHOR_NONE") l=GetTradeSkillItemLink(i) if l then g:SetHyperlink(l) if GameTooltipTextLeft2:GetText()=="Minor Glyph" then c=c+1 end g:Hide() end end print(c.." minor glyphs")

Major
/run local g,c,l=GameTooltip,0 for i=1,GetNumTradeSkills() do g:SetOwner(this,"ANCHOR_NONE") l=GetTradeSkillItemLink(i) if l then g:SetHyperlink(l) if GameTooltipTextLeft2:GetText()=="Major Glyph" then c=c+1 end g:Hide() end end print(c.." major glyphs")

I've talked to a GM about my issue and this is what he told me:

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff7/sauce_007/Discoveries.jpg

I can confirm that you are not always guarenteed to learn a new one everytime you do it.

This goes as well for the alchemist version.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff7/sauce_007/Discoveriesalch.jpg

Comentado por 166755

I haven't learned a new one in my last five tries so I guess I'm through with it. I got 3 - Elixir of Mighty Strength this last time. I've lost a lot in the past 5 times. Blizz ought to let you know when you won't get anymore recipies by disabling this spell.

Comentado por 359100

do you also discover transmutions from this?

Comentado por Niteniten58

I have twice gotten Mixture procs from this one (Pure Mojo and Stoneblood). So it seems they haven't changed it to make the new flasks instead of the old ones.

Comentado por 225887

Full list of discovered Items and how to discover them

Comentado por Cross88

Due to the recent changes to this ability, even if you've discovered all the recipes, it's a good way to make flasks if you don't have any frost lotus.

Comentado por Miyukichan

Just did my NAR today before I realized I had learned all of the recipes there were discover. However, I not only didn't get a new recipe, but I also received NO flasks/potions/elixirs. Total waste of mats.

Comentado por 290880

It seems that it's possible to not get any item in return from completing this.
I tried it today, and I got absolutely nothing from it.
Which was a first for me and i've been doing this when the cd is up since about febuary.

Comentado por 275963

Ok, well just used this for the 10-15th try (stopped counting) and got nothing...

That's right...absolutely nothing. No Discovery, and no product either...but still had the CD go off....

Strange, I'm thinking I discovered all the recipes already. Still doesn;'t explain the fact I got no end product for a 3 day CD

Comentado por 93256

Absolutely ridiculous. I did my research and out of all those mats only made Elixir of Might Agility. Blizz needs to do something about Alchemy. Alchemy is totally broken atm.

Comentado por bloodtalon

I recorded my alchemy research results each time I hit the cooldown. I learned 13 recipes and the 14th time it only gave me the results of the research but with no new recipe. Of course your results may vary and the order is random, I believe certain recipes can only be learned at a particular alchemy level.

#1
Researched:
Created: x2

#2
Researched:
Created: x2

#3
Researched:
Created: x3

#4
Researched:
Created: x2

#5
Researched:
Created: x3

#6
Researched:
Created: x3

#7
Researched:
Created: x3

#8
Researched:
Created: x2

#9
Researched:
Created: x3

#10
Researched:
Created: x2

#11
Researched:
Created: x2

#12
Researche:
Created: x3

#13
Researched:
Created: x2

#14
Created: x2

Comentado por 487451

Yes. I have done the research three days in a row now and not only haven't learned anything, I've only gotten two flasks each time. :(

Comentado por XinR

I loved using this the first dozen times, however it appears I've maxed out in what I can learn? Unfortunately, altho someone previously said you could learn things vendors sell, you can't learn things that vendors sell that require a certain rep to obtain. bummer. My last 5 times doing this I have not discovered anything new, so it appears you can max out. THis was before I was at 450 Alch skill as well still useful because now I find if I do it, I usually end up with a flask that would normally require Frost Lotus. Useful for alot of people, but everytime I farm TIger Lily in The Basin, I usually end up with 1-2 FL at the very least and I don't farm more than 1/2 hr.

Comentado por 166755

Just tried this for the first time in many months. I had stopped getting Discoveries a long time ago but thought, surely. something had been added in all this time.

NOT! What a waste of mats. I got two Wrath Elixir and that is all. Blizz shouldn't allow this waste on an item without some way of knowing if it is still working or not. They need to add some new Discoveries now and then cause this really sucks.

Comentado por r1llz0r

I've made this 2 times without getting any recepies. Is this a bug or have I discovered all recepies already?

Comentado por 309394

While I agree with many others that this system sure beats relying on Discovery... I remain convinced that any system other than training combined with buying recipes / patterns is nothing more than a pain in the butt.

Comentado por johanponken

Why does this take herbs from the full stacks?
I had specifically a stack+10 AT and stack+4 TR, and ended up with 10+10 and 16+4 respectively...

Comentado por 649528

i haven't learned hardly any recipes myself and got 2 flasks of stoneblood, no discovery, complete waste of mats. Flask is even a waste because as a priest, i don't use those

Comentado por 163020

It appears worthless nowadays, apart from water walking elixir. Even in MoP I expect it to drop in price due to the water walking mounts.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Can be purchased from Northrend Alchemy trainers if you have 400 Alchemy

Edited, Jan 25th 2009 12:18pm by rkmasterson

Comentado por Allakhazam

Can get a number of different elixirs and such for doing this. Also, there is a chance you will receive flasks when doing research as well.

Comentado por Allakhazam

do you still get the flasks after 450 alch?

Comentado por Allakhazam

Yes you still get flasks in the form of mixtures (makes 2 flasks) after you learn all the available receipes.

Comentado por Allakhazam

How do you know if you've learned all the available recipes? If you no longer learn one when you do the research?

Comentado por Shalaoman

https://www.wowhead.com/cata/guides/alchemy-profession-recipes

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