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Comentado por flakmeister

Going off on a bit of a nerd tangent here.

The name of this weapon, "Voldrethar", follows the style of what must either be Nerubian or Titan as it sure ain't Draconic, Thalassian nor Darnassian. Thing is that the "rethar" part is already used in the names of the different gates in Icecrown, Corp'rethar, Aldur'thar, Mord'rethar and Angrathar which obviously leads us to the assumption that "rethar" or the contraction "thar" means "gate"

Perhaps a slipup by the design team or even more likely: I should stop laying too much into stupid !@#$.

Comentado por 326676

Well all the gates names would i assume be in nerubian due to the fact arthas took there arcitectual style into his own while ulduar is a titan bastion so it is probaly a different language so "thar" probaly doesnt mean the same thing.

Comentado por 323816

Pity about the model, otherwise this is a good two-hander. Note for the art team: Short, leafy blades on long grips do not look good. Try a long, straight blade that looks like it might actually be useful in combat for once damnit!

Comentado por 117198

There is a lot of negative comments on this page. Im just assuming I just added another one.

P.S. - Fury/Arms Warrior and DKs are going to be fighting on this for sure

Comentado por EvilElpay

It doesn’t matter what class or spec you are, if you can equip this for a main weapon (non-stat stick) and you are melee, than you will want this.

If you are a Fury Warrior, you will want to equip this twice as currently it is not unique.

So no need to say “my class weapon”, your loot system and officers will do that for you.

Comentado por 52997

Sweet merciful jesus, a kindred spirit!

Good to know i'm not the only fan of a simplification of the melee class gear. I mean seriously.. It was cool in outland, because it was supposed to be an alien world. But seriously.. Inevitable Defeat looks like 1) more of an axe/mace bastard stepchild, and 2) the wooden grip, much as i like it over the typical full-metal styling, would snap just holding it, much less trying to smack someone with it.

Take a risk. Give us an epic Cruel Barb.

Comentado por 308189

I saw the stats for the 1st time and my heart began to pound, I looked further and saw sockets at this point I was hyperventilating...then I clicked View in 3D and all the excitement went away instantly and I exhaled with a long drawn sigh.

Comentado por 347683

it is very nice two sockets it is something nice. for cap or more ap

Comentado por 348721

Very beautiful and well itemized sword, with two sockets too boot. Unfortunately, as one of the many ex-fury warriors that will be going arms for 3.1, I'll be passing on this to the DKs and the Ret Pally in my guild. Lotrafen actually looks better off the bat thanks to the superiority of Axe specialization over the crap that is Sword specialization. It will benefit them more then it will benefit us arms warriors, as long as Sword spec sucks.

I'll glady take this after the other 2h sword wielding guildies get it, though. So unfortunate that the highest ilvl 2hander thus far in 3.1 is not going to be as useful as it can be, for arms.

EDIT: Why is this getting downrated? Some arms warriors refusing to believe that this may not be BiS and might benefit other classes more?

Comentado por 343948

This item is sweet for everyone but mainly for warriors,death knights,and paladins who use 2h swords.The extra 1280 health is pretty good but im going after this for the strength and the nice damage.

Comentado por 351391

ok the sword is way better than the others ive seen so far but cant blizzard make a replica of frostmourne.I meen lich kings sword is so cool looking.i would love to see my dk weild frostmourne even if its a replica with the same stats as voldrethar dark blade of oblivian.

Comentado por 262809

All I can say is... My Death Knight was born to wield this and cut Arthas in half with it!

Comentado por 241013

Armor pen got buffed in several ways for Ret. Crusader Strike's damage is a bigger portion. It's on par with crit, agility, and haste.

Of course, the real reason why Ret wants this sword is the strength. Ret scales SCARY well with Strength.

Comentado por 219571

Since this does not drop off of Yogg-Saron or however you spell his name, I doubt that this is the best weapon in the game. Sure it drops on hard mode, but usually the final boss weapons by Blizzard religion are usually the best.

Comentado por 294028

Ranked on MaxDPS.com as the highest dps weapon for Arms Warriors, Retribution Paladins and Blood/Unholy Death Knights.

Comentado por 356988

Since the patch I personally prefer 51/18/2 after spending hours on skull target dummies i found that 2nd most damaging attack done with blood spec is melee(white hits), thus when you increase your haste from Icy talons, you also increase your melee dps substantially. alonge with the increased runic regen and free DC's i have done 5k dps on single target level 83 encounters, as in bosses from uldar. I'm no expert but i know my own numbers so analyze this info to help yourself out (if your a dk as well) and make the best of it. Emakulate realm: Dalaran(horde)

Comentado por 211544

This is surely a rather bright and shiny sword for such a cunning name...

Comentado por 361247

this is the best 2handed sword :O

Comentado por 361834

It's funny how some people automatically label this as a warrior/dk wpn only due to the Armor Pen stats on it. Post 3.1 Armor Pen became a good thing for Ret paladins as well. Their judgements don't hit hard anymore and their melee is now usually at #2 or sometimes even at #1 for top damage in damage charts. This is because crusader strike and Divine Storm have had their damage increased greatly and they're both counted as melee damage. Couple this with the fact that instant FoL from Art of War and Repentance no longer resets melee swing timers, this is a great weapon for ret paladins as well.

This weapon would benefit a Ret Paladin just as much as a Warrior and DK. Stop the warrior/dk weapon labeling already, because it's clear that the ones doing it, haven't read up enough on the patch changes to other melee dps classes.

Comentado por 362739

i currently run 51-2-18 but if you are using obliterate after 3.1 as a blood DK then you need to look at talents closer imo and if you still dont understand reroll. death strike is now your 2 rune ability as blood and will hit and crit harder than obliterate will with proper glyphs. my current glyphs are Dancing rune weapon, Dark death 15% more death coil dmg ( kind of important since you get those nice auto death coils), and death strike glyph. That being said id take this anyday over what im using.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cenarius&n=Namrng if you feel im just some random scrub

PS i know my professions are weak

Comentado por Felic

From a PvE Retribution Paladin point of view:

Hit capped:
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=45516

Not capped:
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/april/04_26_9806_14.jpg (244 dps Polearm which most hunters / druids actually will NOT be using)

- However most are hitcapped since Naxx and should not have any problems reaching it with all the +hit items in Ulduar. Else the option to socket 2xhit into https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=45516 would most likely bring you in line. With/close to hitcap this will be the best weapon for a Paladin, comming in slightly above the 2200 Arena Weapons.

Comentado por norg

New stats according to Armory:

+130 strength
+145 stamina
+ 86 crit rating
+69 ArPen rating

Everything else is unchanged.

Comentado por 157107

Oh it would benefit us retadins. But armor pen is largely still useless, the only reason this weapon is so great is the huge damage and strength it has, not to mention the two sockets.

Comentado por Gohtohmaon

so, is this gonna be the new best 2hander?

atleast the new betrayer of humanity?

Comentado por Treld

perhhaps the best weapon in the game for blood dks

Comentado por 265872

YES I GOT IT!
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostwolf&n=Flail

Comentado por Aurrius

@redhorizon09: If your white damage is your top source of damage, you are doing something wrong.

Armour Penetration, while a little bit more useful than it used to be, is still our worst stat, especially when you consider the fact that only about 40% of our damage is physical.

Comentado por Teleros

Stats changed for 3.1.2:

130 Str (up from 112)
145 Stamina (up from 128)
86 Crit (up from 85)
89 ArPen (down from 70)

Also supposed to be getting its speed changed (guess to 3.5 / 3.6), but not seen anything on that yet.

http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=45516

Comentado por JU1CYFRU1T

Uh... NOPE!
Faster weapon = LOWER DPS... not higher. I am not a theorycrafter, so when I need numbers I go to the pros.

Elitist Jerks RetPally thread

Q: What does weapon speed do to us? Do we want slow or fast?
A: Slow. Every .1 speed slower is equal to ~30 DPS due to SoB/JoB not being normalized; so given a choice between a 3.4 203 dps 2h and a 3.8 203 dps 2h, the 3.8 would win. Of course, weapon DPS means quite a bit to us so there is no real comparison between a 3.6 212 dps and a 3.4 226 dps weapon!

I am not saying which weapon is better/worse... just that your last line is 1,000,000% WRONG. RetPally (DPS) = SLOW weapon with high damage.

Comentado por 244461

It is really depressing that this things speed is going slower :(

As a fury warrior rolling around with two 3.4s this awesome would be amazing for rage gen and the whole whirlwind being normalized thing...

Ahh, too bad, I guess I will just have to keep rolling gay arms warriors without OP weapons...

Comentado por Fokter

I would call this weapond the new Betrayer Of Humanity.

Comentado por Cogeme

Comparing it to BoH is...just...stupid. BoH is a weapon from the perhaps, easiest dungeon ever in WoW and Voldrethar is from hardmode in Ulduar.

I believe this sword will make warriors happy, its been a long time since we actually had a sword to pick up, instead of axes. With BIS gear, this weapon will probably beat other weapons or atleast "competitive" vs furious sunderer.

Comentado por Thanh91

I was wondering if ArP is the new gem stack for warrior's and dk's now?

Comentado por moostomp

@Masterofmymind - The reason almost all blood specs that spec into RP mastery is so that Dancing Rune Weapon lasts longer.

And for Death Strike damages to be higher. The glyph doesn't work as the tooltip for it says.
1% per 5 RP, so at 130 rp, that's 26% damage increase.

It's only a 6% increase on DS damage, but it IS a reason I've seen Blood DK's in the past spec that way.

Comentado por bloodysir

omfg this sword beats frostmourne

Comentado por 386525

Clearly a hunter weapon,
It look very nice!

Comentado por 372817

Currently the most bad@ss thing ever.

Comentado por 255723

BiS for paladins

http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t57144-3_1_ret_bis_gear_lists/

Comentado por 386424

blizzard make these weapons so classes will fight over who gets it. three classes that its good for 1 that can use it and often nab...we all know who.

Comentado por 418167

Isnt this the Strongest Weapon in this game?

Comentado por 418415

Well, I just saw a post that was saying this weapon is not for Retribution paladins... granted, I do not run a Ret. pally. I'm running a warrior, was Arms for a little while at the patch but then I realized that I just couldn't stand that spec, no offense to Arms warriors out there, it's just not for me, so I went back to Fury. Anyways, to the point, I would have absolutely no problem if a Retribution Paladin was to roll against me for this. It's just like the debate that was happening before the patch, I had some Hunter telling me that I shouldn't be able to roll on Betrayer of Humanity if it dropped, and I had to use weapons that added to Strength. Stat wise, it did agree more with a Hunter, but it still boosted the DPS of a Fury Warrior by a bit, and was named the best weapon in the game for us to get. So it was not something I was going to give up on. It's the same idea with this weapon as it is with Betrayer of Humanity. You might say that the Mace has better stats for Paladins, and I don't know !@#$ about paladins, so I can't really argue... but if they wanted to roll on this against me, by all means. I'll kill them if they win, but they can roll! Considering that boost of DPS adds enough to make it all completely worthwhile.

Comentado por 315859

SUPER STRENGTH HUNTER.

That 112 str does a whole lot for your bow attacks, eh?

The Incredible Hulk goes hunting?

Comentado por 424088

why is it called dark blade them it is light?
totaly stupid i mean :P

Comentado por 105232

In response to everyone who said that a sword with more weight in the tip is pointless, I would encourage you to actually learn a bit about swords. A sword can be designed along three main lines. It may be designed to be a thrusting weapon, a slashing weapon, or a chopping weapon. Generally, most swords naturally fit into two of these designs. A longsword is an example of a sword that can be use both for thrusting and for slashing. Chopping swords are rarer, because it is easier to get the materials to make an axe, and an axe is a fine chopping weapon. Voldrethar is a sword that is optimized for chopping, with a large broad tip. Realistically, a sword like this would be unwieldy, but as warcraft is a fantasy world, magic is a facter that can not be ignored. Thus, voldrethar is not a a result of poor design, but rather a result of a design of a sword for a method of use not generally associated with swords.

p.s. Voldrethar does NOT look like a roman gladius. The gladius was a straight sided short sword. Voldrethar has more in common with a greek broadsword from the bronze age.

Comentado por Malinq

Shame BiS instance stuff doesn't have own models

Comentado por kruxshocks

All the comments make me wanna do is just ninja this thing. Keep going people keep saying how great it is the next thing you know the enhancement shaman is gonna be jackin your S#!T

Comentado por 389801

Vendor: Hey, i'll buy that off you for 30g.
Owner: No way man, i worked my butt of for this.
Vendor: Fine, 30g 1s 6c.
Owner: Sold!

Comentado por 439463

this sword is so awsome with t8 set for palas

Comentado por 434661

what an intelegent reply, my main is a paly, and I go for stats that I need, and playing different classes also brings a different state of mind it seems....hunters think everything was made for their class, for their spec, and for their race and tend to need on everything, expect the good ones. paladins like me though (i've noticed) only go for the best, and when I'm in a raid, I only take the very best improvement to my weapon in that raid or I admit that I don't want stats that another class may benefit more from (hunters with int?)

Comentado por 434661

man....I wish we ret paly's had more weapons that actually fit our class, I mean, come on, nerf us and give us weapons already, earthshaper seems to be the only GREAT paly choice, because this has armor penetration, and it's not that I don't want it...it's that a warrior would do much better with their armor reduction affect....and there's no such thing as a super strenght hunter, that's called a ninja, they make up name like int hunter or strenght hunter....we just call them huntards...

Comentado por FenrisHalo

Crap, there must be a lot of rolls for this thing everytime it drops... can't wait to get it xD

Comentado por 269640

Void Gate, Dark Blade of Oblivion

Comentado por 440775

It rly has 0.9% chance to drop or is it because its from hard mode?

I've tried many times to get it :(

Comentado por foxbuster

And there goes the supremacy of the Sword being the mightiest weapon...
Damn you patch 3.3!

Comentado por 534473

Uggh... it gets totally blown away by Justicebringer, which is superior in nearly every way except for a DK tank. However, it's obviously a heck of a lot more difficult to obtain. That's Blizzard itemization for you...

Comentado por RazerCrime

Nice damage we have there...seems abadon isn't the only ulduar weapon beeing crazy lately.

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