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Comment by 833162

The misconception I see with this boss is in the management of the raid. In a lot of ways, this is a burn phase in three small transition parts, and then a final fourth burn phase.

To accomplish downing the boss correctly, Cinderweb Drones and Spiderlings get priority, specifically because Drones will siphon off fire energy from Beth'tilac. The spiderlings are hurtful because Drones and the boss can consume these for 20% of the spiderlings' health, as well as gaining speed buffs.

The goal is to make the three phases in which your transition team kills spinners to go upstairs and burn the boss as long as possible. By taking down drones fast, it negates their ability to drain energy from the boss, and by burning the spiderlings, you prevent the drones from getting back health.

On the PTR, most people noticed guilds staying 'up top' anywhere from 2 - 5 minutes, with some reports stating they kept those phases at 5 or more minutes at times. This prevents the boss from "over-enraging" (her Frenzy stacks are, as of now, so overly done and quick, there is a large need to extended those three transitions as long as possible to deal as much DPS as possible, and not be in the final phase for too long before the AOE and tank damage becomes unhealable).

Comment by 712875

the texture work on this spider is amazing!

Comment by 844071

Quick strategy overview:
Phase 1

get 1 tank with a healer and as many melees as you can spare on top of the web
let the rest kill adds on the ground
avoid the meteors on top
get down when beth casts her smoldering devastation
gather on the ground to maximze healing during ember flare

Phase 2

switch tanks when one gets widows kiss
use bloodlust/heroism to dps beth down as fast as you can
rotate defensive cds if beth gets more then 10 frenzy stacks

Comment by GraveDiggerX

Strategy Guide & Video:

Below I have written a guide as well as demonstrate how we did this boss.

Our Group:

2 Tank - | Druid | DK |
3 Healers - | Paladin | Shaman | Priest |
5 DPS - | Warlock | Mage | Hunter | Death Knight | Rogue |

General Boss Information:

This boss is a 2 phase encounter.
She summons adds and sprays fire/magma to try and kill the raid
It is a fairly simple encounter and mainly just a gear check

Boss Abilities:

---Phase 1: (Not % based)

Upon engaging Beth, she retreats to her canopy and begins casting a magma spew that damages all members of the raid until a player goes to the canopy with her... which is reached by mounting on the remaining webs of dead spiders.
Shortly after engaging, she will spawn groups of adds...

1 Cinderweb Drone

A large spider that needs to be tanked
He does a frontal cone AoE magma spew, so turn it away from the raid
Also casts Burning Acid on random players
We had our rogue on this add the whole time with help from everyone else when there was nothing to do.

4-6 Cinderweb Spinners

These are medium sized spiders that dangle from webs, and will remain there until taunted down.
They don't do much damage and have ~230k HP
Also casts Burning Acid on random players
Once these spiders die, their webs can be used to reach the top of the canopy... We usually send the tank first, followed by a healer and then 1-2 DPS.
We had our hunter solo these during this phase

15ish Cinderweb Spiderlings

Run around casting Seeping Venom if they get too close to a player.
Have very little health and can be AoE down easily
We had our DK solo these easily

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These adds will spawn as groups with the numbers stated above. You will get them after each Smoldering Devastation, which she will cast once her mana reaches zero.
You want to make sure that the people going up jump down through a hole in the canopy as she starts casting this ability. While up top, all you have to do is DPS and watch out for the Meteors that she casts. There is an effect on the ground and it's pretty easy to avoid
Smoldering Devastation will happen 3 times before entering Phase 2

---Phase 2:

Phase 2 starts after the third Smoldering Devastation cast.
Make sure the adds are dead when she enters P2 because she will consume them and get healed up.
This phase is 100% a burn phase.
Have everyone in your raid stack, except for the 2 tanks. This is due to The Widow's Kiss. When this happens, tank swap.
Alongside the kiss, Beth will begin to slowly enrage by casting Frenzy every few seconds. This stacks indefinitely until the end of the encounter.
Finally, the hardest part of P2 is Ember Flare, which is cast periodically and hits the whole raid. Stack up and use CDs to survive the latter part of this phase

Tips:

Send as much DPS up top as you can to get as much damage on her as possible without getting overrun below.
Execution is key, but fairly easy... just kill what you need to and avoid meteors
Don't be bad.

I wish you the best of luck, and feel free to critique my post and ask any questions.

Please uprate if this helped at all!

A link to our video on YouTube is HERE so you can see how it's done. Please rate and subscribe to see our upcoming videos!

~Wrex | Pseudonym | Executus-US

@Archh yea, the bottom healing isn't bad once someone is up top. We even contemplated sending 2 healers up. It's just up to your strengths and weaknesses. Also, I have the iLvLs of all of our members at the end of my videos... You can just go to the end if you want to see them.

Comment by demnok

can the Smoldering Devastation penetrate immue effect like Divine Shield?

Comment by 849853

I'm having trouble getting my Raid group past the last set of Adds just outside Beth's Chamber. Its the one with the Large Fire Shield and the Mobs under it that are being attacked by Spiders. Any helpful suggestions?

Comment by kaytie

She is skinnable, but has a high requirement (over 530: with max skill + Gatherer, still red).

Comment by Mythricia

My guilds first kill on this happened with Beth'tilac starting the burn phase at 100% health... Somewhat to our surprise, we just healed a lot, burned her down, and all was fine. 1 person dead if I remember. This on 25man, Normal.

And we're not that amazing of a guild.. So. To me, this seems like something that'll get "fixed", since it's already a viable repeatably strategy, even more so once people get more gear. Just get a tank and 1 healer up top as usual, DPS ignore it, wait for her to come down, blow Hero and just kill it. Basicly a true tank & spank with higher healing requirements..

Fun times.

Comment by hawke

BTW: we are being overrun below with just 10 man non-heroic gear from previous instances. Need quite significant dps here.

Our setup had only one member geared in heroic, rest was T11 bought with JP or 359 from previous raid. Some lucky 378 mixed in, but nothing much, and we downed her (10 man). So it's def. doable if you have raiding like gear and a group that knows what to do

We sent 1 tank (druid), 1 healer (me, holy pal with fire resist aura) and 1 DPS uptop (single target DPS , mage), everyone else was bottom handling spiders. She went into phase 2 at about 84%, but I honestly think we would've down her even if she was at 100%. When the fight was over, most healers still had over 50% mana, and we only had one tank dead due to a bad taunt swap, but didnt even use brez on him since the boss was close to dying anyway.

Like others said, phase 2 is a big tank and spank. If you're healer are competent / geared enough, you can clearly take her down from 100-0% in phase 2.

Comment by 616836

For raids with little to no 372s from the previous raid tier, you may want to leave all DPS at the bottom in Phase 1 and send only a tank and healer to the top. We were 12/12 1/13 and we tried sending our Fury Warrior up. We were having issues with being overrun by adds. To make Phase 1 Beth healing easier, we rotated tanks. Blood DK (me) went up first, then the Prot Pally, then me again. I used IBF right off the bat the first time I went up and by the time I went back up, IBF was about 4 seconds from being off CD. Tank and healer going up 3 times could bring Beth down to about 90% before Phase 2. However, could have been RNG, but whenever we went to Phase 2, the spiderlings would always spawn right where Beth'tilac lands and negating whatever damage we did in Phase 1. We still managed to burn her from 100% to 0%. We tried to lust once at 20 stacks, but wiped at 8% because healers said they went oom. We lusted at 25 stacks the next time and won.

Blood DK, Prot Pally
Disc Priest, Resto Shammy, Holy Pally
Fury Warrior, Arcane Mage, Ele Shammy, Marks Hunter, Shadow Priest

BTW, she hits like a #$%^ing truck, so roll your CDs, tanks.

Comment by armrule

Sharing detailed encounter analysis, mechanics, and strat and video for Beth'tilac 10man --> http://raidbriefing.blogspot.com/2011/07/bethtilac-10-man-nm.html

Comment by bogoradwee

Bubble will not prevent devastation damage.

Comment by 775767

Just thought I would give a healer's perspective. Our mostly ilvl 359 10-man group did this the other day. We sent a tank (prot paladin) and me (a resto druid) up top, with a rogue coming up when adds below were looking good. At first we had the rogue coming up every time, but it really helped when we had him dps the adds during the beginning of the second top phase.

Beth does not cleave when up top, so I stood next to the tank for efflo. I would wait for a meteor to come down, and swiftmend immediately after. I found if I didn't time swiftmend with the meteors, efflo would often be wasted when we had to avoid the next meteor.

Damage seemed a bit RNG driven, with me occasionally needing to drop a regrowth, and occasionally just rolling lifebloom for 20s+. In general, lifebloom + rejuv + swiftmend + occasional healing touches were enough. I actually gained mana in a few of the top-phases. Her AoE did enough damage that I needed a near-constant rejuv + efflo, and the rogue needed a frequent rejuv + his recuperate.

The big thing was to make sure that the tank and healer go up at almost the same time (with the tank ~.5s ahead). I could pre-HoT the tank on the way up if we timed it right, and if we missed the timing the tank had to blow a CD.

Phase 2 is not too bad as long as:
A) The adds are under control when you start
B) You have the DPS to finish in <40 stacks
C) You coordinate your healing and defensive cooldowns

Comment by 585478

This boss currently does not have eternal embers listed in her loot table. Is this correct? I thought they came from all Firelands bosses?

Comment by kryptx

If the other guides and videos aren't helping you, here are some things you might try, from an "average" 10 man guild that got our first kill last night.

One person is enough to kill all of the spinners, but we found it was better to have more people killing them to get them dead faster and ease healer mana. People with long ramp-up times and who struggle with target switching can stay on the drones, but the rest of your ranged should kill spinners if there are any spinners up. This includes the spinners that have not been taunted down, in case that wasn't obvious.
Spinners, when they are down, continue casting their random fireballs, and also melee their top threat target. It's not a ton of melee damage (1.5k hit on plate to 5k crit on cloth, every 1.5 seconds or so) but due to the number of targets, it may be difficult for your ground tank to pick them all up. Try not to pull down more than you need. We had our hunter and holy paladin pull down the first two, and the hunter pulled the third as well 8 seconds later. Prioritize the ones that are running free over those that are being tanked, if applicable.
Taking the dones to a specific, pre-determined location was not helpful for us. Instead, we used a "donut" where the ranged dps and healers are in the donut hole in the center of the room (you can mark this location with a raid marker), receiving AOE heals, and the drone is tanked on the donut, opposite the current batch of spiderlings. Just be sure never to face the drone towards the raid. Mmm, donut.
Beth'tilac's consume ability restores 10% of her health ~~and has a 100 yard range~~ (no longer the case). This means if there are any spiderlings ~~alive~~ near her when she comes down, she will probably fully heal and the rest of the encounter will be needlessly difficult.
The tricky part is this: assuming you don't allow any drones to drain her energy, there will be a wave of spiderlings about the same time that Beth'tilac begins her third smoldering devastation. At that time it's important that all DPS with any AOE capability whatsoever kill all spiderlings. None of the videos or guides I read seem to mention this (though I'm sure there are some that do), but it was extremely important for us.
In phase 2, our healers could keep us up until about 30 stacks of Frenzy. If you're going over that, either Beth is healing or you don't have enough DPS. If you're dying long before that, your healers aren't able to keep up (note that this doesn't necessarily mean the healers are failing).
It's not absolutely necessary to alternate tanks in the traditional sense. Since Widow's Kiss's duration is shorter than its cooldown, for us it worked better to have one "main" tank and one "soak" tank just for Widow's Kiss. If one of your tanks is a druid, consider having him or her soak the debuff and just DPS in cat form while he/she has the Widow's Kiss.
We found it was helpful to save heroism/bloodlust for about 40% so that it fully benefits healers as well as dps, since that's the most challenging part of the fight to heal, and it also happens to be approaching your dps' execute phase.

Good luck!

Comment by Leleko

After the first time spinners spawn and u killed them in order for tank, healer and dps to go up, do the keep spawining endlesly untill the 2nd phase or do the spawn in sets of 4-6 everytime Beth casts Smoldering Devastation? If so is it viable to put a dps in charge of killing the spinners while the rest of the raid handles Drones and spiderlings and then as soon as he is clear with Spinners give a hand on the raid? I would really could use some enlightment on the subject cause i cant seem to find an accurate info on it . Thank you

Comment by vanquished14

After a few wipes--We downed her tonight! As a hunter, I was easily able to handle all the spawning Cinderweb Spiderlings with the Concussive Barrage, Rapid Killing, Rapid Recuperation, and Bombardment talents. The first slows the spiderlings while the last three provide enough focus regeneration to allow for Multi-Shot spamming (without a need for Steady Shot).

Having one character focus on the spiderling adds allowed for the other two ground DPS to focus on the Cinderweb Drone and Cinderweb Spinners making the ground team's job easily manageable. Another tip I have for hunters--if you pop Deterrence when you first engage the boss (while waiting for the first Cinderweb Spinners to come) you can prevent damage done by Ember Flare to help conserve healer mana.

Also note, though it is considerably easy for one DPS to focus down the Spiderlings in phase 1, I do suggest the raid help AoE down any remaining Cinderweb Spiderlings before phase 2 to ensure no Cinderweb Spiderlings are Consumed by Beth'tilac when she lands.

Granted, this is the 10-man encounter and not every group has a hunter--I'm just saying marksmanship hunters have fantastic raid utility if any 10-man groups are having difficulties with add control in phase 1.

Comment by ZelosRaine

Just downed this on Ysondre.

Raid comp:
Pally on adds
Warrior on Beth

Shammy and Druid downstairs
Disc Priest (me) upstairs

Fury Warrior on Boss
Arcane Mage on Spinners
Arcane Mage on Drone
Shadow Priest on Drone/Spiderlings
Survival Hunter on Spiderlings

Long story short, what helped us was having the warrior stay down for the third upstairs to make sure all adds died (ESPECIALLY, the SPIDERLINGS). Also, tanks calling when they taunt off is a must in order for you healers to prevent random tank death. Finally, rotating healing/damage reduction cd's is a must once the boss is below 50%. One every 10% if you can manage it. Tanks should try to save cd's for the 20% mark, and Hero/Lust should be used around 30%+ in order to help the healers out.

Boss dropped at about 81% and everyone was (barely) alive at kill. Average dps was around 16-17k and average hps was around 15k.

Good luck!

Comment by Euphemia

Flaskaholics killing her last raidlock, after quite some work at figuring out what worked for us. We tried having a solohealer at the groundlevel, tried different setups and kill prios and such. Now we seem to have nailed it to go with most setups, so the wipefeasts were somehow worth it.

This about sums it up:

1 tank 1 healer 1 melee up on the web between each Smoldering Devastation.
2 healers ground level, one melee or ranged pref with a taunt on Spinners, 1 melee or ranged on Drones fulltime, 2 ranged with slows on Spiderlings. Whenever people were free, they'd help on Drones. Also, anyone with a taunt would help get Spinners down to the ground.
During her last Smoldering Devastation, all dps would kill Spiderlings, then Drones/Spinners before opening on her as she comes down to ground level.
Tanks would just taunt each time she kissed one of them, raid would stack on a healer on her bum. Pewpewpew, watch her stacks of Frenzy. Plan for healing cooldowns so they're spread throughout the phase, tanks have cooldowns ready at abt 20 stacks, TW at about 25 stacks of Frenzy, then kill, then loot :)

More information in the video, hope it'll be of help to someone!

Good luck!

/EDIT: With people gearing up, you can now do this with one healer on the groundlevel if people take care of themselves - you might also ship some more dps up on the canopy to have her lower before Phase2, this should be doable as the output of a good hunter/mage/dk should suffice for dealing with the Spiderlings on their own... Good way to farm her before going heroix on her :)

Comment by Lindentree

Make sure that none of the raiders you plan to send up top are colorblind. This entire subzone is a nightmare for us, but the meteor effect in particular is nearly impossible to see if you have problems with color vision.

Comment by 609114

Having the upstairs dps stay down after the second Smoldering Devastion (or come down early) to make sure all adds get killed before she lands can make the phase transition a lot smoother.

Comment by 177048

Type: Beast

Trolls rejoice!

Comment by XACru

short cut to Beth'tilac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLeEt_w8GaI

Comment by Disciplined

Here's a thorough explanation of the tactic my guild uses for both of our 10M groups. First thing I would like to note is that we're not a hardcore raiding guild, which mostly consists of some old ingame friends, who brought some more IRL friends of theirs. So all we have is around 15-18 people that are actually interested in raiding, some luckily having well geared alts, out of which we made 2 10M groups. We're not having 1 group be the core one, we just decided to split the members equally, and some people are having a char in each group, because of our low active raiders number.

My group consists of:

2 Tanks: 1 Feral Druid / 1 Protection Warrior;

3 Healers: 1 Holy Paladin / 1 Restoration Shaman / 1 Discipline Priest (me);

5 DPS (these rotate around between our 2 groups, but this is what we mostly run with): 1 Assassination Rogue / 1 Mage (Arc/Fire) / 2 Hunters (both marksman) / 1 Elemental Shaman.

I know that it would maybe be better to take another Melee dps instead of 1 of our hunters, but we are really out of choices here, so we decided to go with what we have.

Phase 1:

As soon as we run in I pop Power Word: Barrier, which keeps us a lot safer until we can get the 1st person up to stop the spraying AoE from Beth'Tilac herself. This way the raid takes less dmg in the opening, and the barrier is also gonna be ready to use again in P2. As for getting the Cinderweb Spinners down, the way we do it is have the tank that is going to go up and tank her (that being the Feral) taunt 1, our other tank taunt 1, and our holy paladin use Hand of Reckoning to get another one down too.
As for the upstairs part of the raid, we send the tank 1st, followed by a healer (Discipline Priest, who is by far the best healer to be up top), and our Rogue 3rd, but only the 1st time, where he pops all of his offensive cooldowns to burst Beth'Tilac as much as he can, to ease the P2 of the encounter. The following 2 times it's only me and the tank being upstairs, and the Rogue remains on the spawning Cinderweb Drones for the rest of the encounter. The main thing to be aware off is that the climbing up part can get a lot buggy, and even if your the 2nd one who climbs the net, you can aggro, so we decided to leave at least a 3 second gap between the tank and the healer even clicking the webs. A Feral druid is by far the best one to fulfill this tactic, since he has a low CD defensive ability (Barkskin) he can pop each time he climbs the web, to make surviving those few seconds, until the healer is up, a lot easier.

The upstairs job is a piece of cake for a Feral/Dpriest combo. What I tend to do is keep Prayer of Mending up, shield us both, and Heal spam the tank, followed by Penance on CD. This rotation succeeds at keeping us alive, because of the insane way Dpriest's mastery works, which makes even overhealing effective, since it can both proc Divine Aegis & reduce the remaining time on the Weakened Soul debuff, as well as conserving my mana, so I'm always at 100% mana when we're jumping down to evade the Smoldering Devastation. That way I am free to spend a lot of my mana, and even spam PW:S to help the healers downstairs, until we have to go back up again, since I'm going to regen to 100% mana upstairs anyways, as long as I can get at least 1 Rapture proc downstairs, which is fairly easy.

Downstairs, we have 1 of our hunters on taking out the Cinderweb Spiderlings as fast as possible, while the others are on the Drone. The Drone goes down really fast, because of the mad single target DPS output from the Rogue / Arc Mage and the others when the Spiderlings are down.

Phase 2:

When phase 2 starts, we have one of our tanks (that being the Feral again) place Beth'Tilac in the middle, and the remaining of the raid stack directly on her tail (or w/e is this part of a spider's body called). The state of the raid at this point is that every one of us has all of his cooldowns on disposal, so the choice is on us when to pop them. As for the healers, I'm mostly on 100% mana here, and the other 2 are surely above 75%, so there's still no need for any regen cooldowns, since they will have a much greater use afterwards in the phase.
The 1st cooldown to go off is Hymn of Hope (because it's a channeled spell, and makes me unable to heal while doing it, so it's best to be used while the healing requirement is low) which combined with Shadowfiend and a Volcanic Potion regens roughly about 50% of my own mana, so I tend to burn my mana as close as possible to 50-60% while her stacks are low, which also allows the other 2 healers to not cast a lot, or not cast at all, and regain some mana, as well as profiting from the HoH, so after it expires, we're all at full mana again, and Beth'Tilac is around 10-15 stacks, but a bit burned down too.

Now this is where the hard part of the encounter begins. She is now already hitting pretty hard with her AoE, so we are forced to use quick and mana inefficient spells, to keep the raid up. So now we're again burning a lot of mana, which makes the perfect time to pop Mana Tide Totem. At this point, mana is not yet becoming an issue. The main issue actually is that you can't get your heals go off fast enough, so that's where Bloodlust comes in place. While it lasts, the raid will surely be doing well, so we do not pop any other CDs at the same time. When BL expires, it's my 2nd Barrier time. It's important to note that while under the barrier, Beth'Tilac's AoE will not cause spellcasting delay, neither for your healers, nor caster DPS, and with Glyph of Power Word: Barrier, it probably makes it the single most useful spell in this encounter.

At this point, the boss is already at low health, and she is surely going down in 10-20 seconds, so we pop our remaining defensive cooldowns, such as Rallying Cry, and have our Feral tank use his Tranquility, which helps the healers a lot. The ideal thing to do is also have him carry a caster weapon, such as Chelley's Staff of Dark Mending, and equip it before casting Tranq, to profit from the SP boost.

2 important things to note here:
Healers - noone in the raid should be getting healed rather than someone else, because every single raid member has the same importance. A dead tank would make swapping impossible, a dead healer can't heal (well except a holy priest), and a dead DPS prolongs the phase a lot, which will all surely cause a wipe.
Tanks - when taking over because the other tank got The Widow's Kiss, try not to move nor rotate Beth'Tilac from her spot, so the remaining of the raid does not have to move with her, because while on the move, most healers can't heal properly, and it makes it harder for the DPS too.

Summary: I know this may seem like mostly a healer guide, but that's the only role I've played in the encounter so far.
I also hope this helps someone, who hasn't downed her yet, or is having troubles in the process.

Cheers.

~ Healingstorm (31/8/2) / LoK / Sylvanas-EU

Comment by Swiftflight

For prot warriors who are staying on the ground during phase 1, put vigilance on the tank going up because whenever he takes damage your taunt refreshes. This allows you to taunt every single spinner that you see down to the ground, making your healers very appreciative.

Comment by Therage

In 10 man a Marksmanship hunter spec'd into 1 point of Rapid Killing, 2 points in Concussive Barrage, 2 points into Bombardment and 2 Points into Rapid Recuperation can easily kill the spiderlings on their own. Trap launch an explosive trap or Ice Trap in their path and spam multi shot until dead. You will likely need help on the last group of Spiderlings before phase 2 begins (gear dependent of course (I am 375 equipped item level at time of this writing)).

edit: Note that if anyone other than the hunter kills the adds then speccing in such a way is redundant. The hunter needs to kill the adds to gain the extra focus through the Rapid Killing + Rapid Recuperation combination. This means that you should only do this if your hunter is able to solo the spiderlings.

- Lovemontes/Aman'thul

Comment by rzzr

If you have a Warlock get him to pull with Bane of Havoc.

Comment by 127323

Tips for tanks going up top:

Beth hits like a f-in truck. Be prepared to pop some light cooldowns when you are up top.

Climbing up the rope changes your camera around. I have mine set to never move unless I move it, which sometimes screwed me up when I would go up top. I would mouse turn to face the boss and sometimes fall right through the damn hole.

We had some bugs on our kill last night. Sometimes I would randomly fall through the floor (and no, I wasn't standing in a puddle). I ended up switching with the other tank and he had the same issues with randomly falling through the floor.

Comment by Hanz0

pro tip : get a resto drood and 2 dps instead of only 1 on the web during p1 it will cause her to come down with 60% hp making p2 a walk in the park!

Comment by DivineIxen

Frustrating, yet fun fight at the same time. Mainly due to people in my raid accidently falling through holes while they were upstairs or a healer/dps dying because they got the top before the tank did.

I told my raid I couldn't tank upstairs as for some reason, certain textures cause my fps to drop to nil and I have difficultly seeing the meteors/holes. So I end up tanking downstairs. Do a good job too, I just tell people to kite over the Spinners to me so I can aoe taunt them off and hold them while dps mass spam aoes.

Felt so good when we finally downed her AND I got both pieces of loot. (Tank sword/holy shoulders.)

Our setup:

2 Tanks: (Pally/DK) The DK tanked upstairs.
3 Healers (Druid, Shaman, Disc Priest)
5 dps: (Hunter, Rogue, Fury Warrior, Arcane Mage, Demo Lock) Warrior went upstairs.

Comment by Umega

Anyone mentioned this yet? Beth'tilac sounds alot like the demonic spiders called Bebiliths in Dungeons and Dragons/Forgotten Realms.

Comment by nater131

Hotfix 9/20
Beth'tilac's health and damage have been reduced by 15% on both normal and Heroic difficulty.

Comment by dusty103

Beth'tilac requires 550 skill to skin. To reach this, one must acquire a pair of skinning knives that increase skill, plus a glove enchantment. For this, one would expect to get something like a pair of Pristine Hides, not just a couple of skins you can get off of any regular level mob.

Comment by Smoketh

The encounter tab for this boss on heroic is incorrect. It is NOT Cinderweb Broodlings that are part of this encounter. Engorged Broodlings are the correct NPCs for this encounter on heroic.

Cinderweb Broodlings are found in the Molten Front

Comment by 39134

Contrary to what the Encounter Journal says (and according to our bomb soaker), Engorged Broodlings during the Heroic encounter explode for nature damage, rather than fire: . If you have a shaman or a hunter that can provide Nature resistance, this mitigates a considerable portion of the explosion and subsequent AoE damage.

Comment by 490383

guild is just doing this fight on heroic for the frist time ,any tips u guys may have on raid setup and how to deal with Broodling's ?

Comment by Sillicis

Funny thing was, at one of our attempts in heroic we taunted alot of spinners down. And a Cinderweb Drone went up the web at 17% of his hp.

Comment by Eillesthis

As a Survival Hunter, an Oracle Talisman of Ablution kicks ass with the Cinderweb Spiderling adds.

With two of these equipped you can fire off Multi-Shots almost continuously, as the Auto Shots between them help kill off your target quickly, refreshing you for the next Multi-Shot. If you're laying traps the free Explosive Shots from Lock and Load accelerate the process. Once you get going your new target is that much closer to death from the previous Multi-Shots, so at the end the adds are dying in rapid succession and you're only limited by GCD.

The benefit outweighs the loss of two 359 or 378 trinkets if you're on add duty, since add control is more important than your contribution to the boss on the burn phase, and anyway the sooner the adds are down the sooner you're back to dps-ing the boss.

Comment by Okacz

God dammit.

Skinnable at 550, which means you need 2 Zulian Slashers and hand enchant.

And what drops?

3 Savage Leather

Damn, Blizz, couldn't you let her at least drop more leathers?

Comment by 915460

Easily the hardest Heroic encounter of this tier's raiding (of the first 6 might I mention).

This fight in Heroic mode will really push the bounds of your healers and the endurance of your tanks and ultimately the length to which your DPS can smash over for the finale of what will seem like a torterous fight. This fight will require extremely precise coordination and lots of communication.

On this fight you will find the Cinderweb Spinners and Spiderlings will give you some trouble, as a pose to the Drone being of lesser priority.

You will want a Hunter and/or Death Knight in your raid capable of smashing Spiderlings and being able to quckly move constantly to soak the new arachnids of this fight -- Cinderweb Broodlings. Cinderweb Broodlings will Fixate on a target (indicated by a yellow beam to the target it is following) and have too much health to kill. You will want your Death Knight or Hunter to move to these Broodlings to have them explode on them as far as possible from the raid. Have a healer aware of the one taking the Broodling to either follow him around or make sure he's topped off before having him take any Broodlings. When Broodlings blow up they will leave a poison patch on the floor, standing in it will deal roughly 12.5K nature damage per second, and anyone standing in it will be slowed. For this reason it is important to use lag to your advantage and try to let the Broodling run to you (while you are still a considerable distance from the raid) and then start moving away from it as it catches up to you (the Broodling is faster than your run speed), making it blow up and the idea is that the delay between blow up and putting poison on the floor, you should be out of the poison, so you will only be taking the initial explosion damage.

Contrary to the priority of the Drones in the normal encounter, you will find the Drones tend to die quite quickly and have an inconsistent aggro table. Drones in the Heroic encounter of this fight will randomly fixate on targets, but when they do will deal 75% less damage. For this mecahnic, Drones not only drop in kill priority but are also trivialised by it (you will still want to have the DPS not on spiderlings on the Drone so that it does not siphon energy from Beth'tilac).

You will want your downstairs tank to pick up the Drone as normal and pull it to an assigned marker (preferably close to your raid's stack so that the Drones can be cleaved down, and the tank can receive AoE healing), and you will want your raid stacking at a point. Your downstairs tank with the assistance of any other DPS or Healer classes downstairs to taunt down all Cinderweb Spinners. If Cinderweb Spinners are left on their webs for too long they will start stunning targets for 25 seconds -- if this happens you will more than likely have a Healer or Spiderling DPS stunned which will be detrimental to your attempt.

Send a Melee DPS, a tank healer and your tank upstairs, the rest of the raid should be downstairs and stacked at a point on the floor. You will have 2 healers downstairs, most preferably with AoE healing capabilities (ie, Shaman, Druid). Damage will be heavy downstairs and as the fight progresses it will get heavier. Send your upstairs team up and have them come down for smolderings as normal, rinse and repeat three times. If you are finding downstairs to be messy with problems downing spinners or drones then it would be a good idea to have your upstairs DPS to only go up for the first two times, and have him stand down for the third to help clean up.

For the third and final Smoldering, Spiderlings are top priority, as Drones can be moved next to Beth to be cleaved. If you have unlucky RNG you will find the Spiderlings will spawn outside of where Beth will land and Beth will quickly eat any still alive. For this reason alone it is extremely important your DPS are switching to the Spiderlings exclusively to kill them before they get to Beth, or you will shortly find all your upstairs' effort will have been undone in the matter of a few seconds.

The rest of the fight is pretty much as per normal -- you will want your Tanks swapping for Widow's Kiss, raid damage will be extremely high and as Beth's frenzy stacks rise damage will only get higher on both tanks and the raid. You will want Beth down before roughly 35 stacks of Frenzy, with raid and Tank cooldowns being popped at roughly 20-25 stacks of Frenzy (if you can hold them off for longer then it will definitely benefit you, but make sure they are starting to be used by at least 30 stacks). Save Tranquility for high damage periods as it really is a raid saver, and get any other Druids you have (regardless of spec) to be ready to use Tranquility should damage get too high. Optionally (but recommend at later stacks) you can get any (DPS) Priests to use their Divine Hyms and Shamans to use their Healing Rain. If the stacks do get high your tanks WILL be one hit. Pop lust at 50% and collect your spoils.

Sorry for the heavy read, but hopefully you can take something from it.

Good Luck!

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Beth'tilac <The Red Widow>

This NPC can be found in Firelands .

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Heroic		Mythic
Deadly		Important
Tank		DPS
Healer		Interruptible
Magic		Curse
Poison		Disease
Enrage

Stage One: The Cinderweb

Beth'tilac retreats to the top of her web at the beginning of the encounter.

Fire Energy
Beth'tilac slowly loses Fire Energy over time. Cinderweb Drones also siphon some of her energy when their own energy is depleted. Whenever Beth'tilac runs out of Fire Energy, she will set herself ablaze, causing Smoldering Devastation.
Ember Flare – Intense heat burns enemies near Beth'tilac, inflicting 25858 to 30051 Fire damage to players at the same level as Beth'tilac.
Meteor Burn – Meteors crash down onto the web, inflicting 37000 to 43000 Fire damage to players within 7 yards of the impact. The meteor also burns a hole in the web through which players may fall.
Consume – Beth'tilac consumes Cinderweb Spiderlings, healing Beth'tilac for 10% of her maximum health.
Smoldering Devastation – When Beth'tilac's Fire Energy fully depletes, she will set herself ablaze and inflict 380000 to 420000 Fire damage on all players located at her same level.
Cinderweb Spinner – Cinderweb Spinners dangle from the web above on a filament strand. Using Taunt or a similar ability on a Spinner will cause them to drop to the ground. Once killed, their web filament remains. Players may then interact with the filament and move to the top of the web.
- Burning Acid – The Cinderweb Spinner spits burning venom at a random player, inflicting 26347 to 29562 Fire damage.
Cinderweb Drone – These large spiders climb out of caves below the Cinderweb. When their Fire Energy fully depletes, the Cinderweb Drone climbs up to Beth'tilac and siphons Fire Energy from her.
- Consume – Cinderweb Drones consume a Cinderweb Spiderling, healing itself for 20% of its maximum life, increasing damage dealt by 20%, and increasing movement speed by 20%.
- Boiling Splatter – The Cinderwb Drone spits burning venom in a 20 yard long 60 degree forward cone, inflicting 76658 to 89089 Fire damage on any enemy within the area.
- Burning Acid – The Cinderweb Drone spits Burning Acid at a random player, inflicting 26347 to 29561 Fire damage.
Cinderweb Spiderling – These tiny spiders climb out of caves below the Cinderweb. They instinctively move towards Cinderweb Drones.
- Seeping Venom – The Cinderweb Spiderling leaps onto a random player within 5 yards, injecting them with venom and inflicting 6937 to 8062 Fire damage every 2 seconds for 10 sec.

Stage Two: The Frenzy!

After she has performed Smoldering Devastation three times, Beth'tilac enters a frenzy. She lowers herself from the safety of the top of her Cinderweb and no longer calls for aid from her brood.

Frenzy – Beth'tilac periodically casts Frenzy, increasing her damage dealt by 5% until the end of the encounter. This effect stacks.
The Widow's Kiss – Beth'tilac's deadly kiss boils the blood of her current target, reducing the healing dealt to the target by 886 to 1128% every 2 seconds for 20 sec. The kiss also causes the target to inflict increasing Fire damage to their surrounding allies within 10 yards.
Ember Flare – Beth'tilac emits a blazing heat, inflicting 25858 to 30051 Fire damage to enemies on the same level as Beth'tilac.
Consume – Beth'tilac consumes Cinderweb Spiderlings, healing Beth'tilac for 10% of her maximum health.

Beth'tilac <The Red Widow>

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