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Commento di 3118

All other decent shields are drops. If you don't have the time (or luck) to deal with Hakkar (Last boss in ZG) for
Aegis of the Bloodgod
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=19862

Or Garr in MC (A 40-person event) for
Drillborer Disk
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=17066#00Rz

Then you can always grind AV rep for this shield. Although there's no defense, % to block (overrated factor anyhow) or reactive damage, the shield has high armor, stamina, and block value.

Commento di 9023

As a main tank, I've been using this shield for quite a while (waiting for the Aegis of the Blood God). I took it on when we were just starting 20-man raids in my guild and it has served me quite well.

I highly recommend it as a good stand-in for those of you in the less-than-40-man guilds until you can get either Buru's Skull Fragment or the Aegis of the Blood God.

Commento di 7784

With the new patch (2.0.1) the pricing on this shield has been altered... it now costs:

7000 Honor
25 AV Marks

Commento di redaxe

I have also tanked with this shield for some time and it is very good. I highly recommend up-and-coming tanks farm the AV marks/honor and get this. The new honor system should see you get this over a single AV double-honor weekend!

As mentioned above, Buru's Skull Fragment or the Aegis of the Blood God is probably the next thing to strive for.

Commento di JayRay

https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=19323 vs https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=19321

Think about it.

Commento di Rarehunter

The Unstoppable Force has a gray quality counterpart called The Stoppable Force. So this has me thinking: Why doesn't the Immovable Object have a gray quality counterpart called The Movable Object?

Commento di 168739

this shield is completely movable, all you need to do is move around when it's in your inventory or is equipped and it's moved!

Commento di Zeldendorf

Yep the joker referenced to WoW ^^ when I heard him say that I was like omfgwtfwow

Commento di 133561

HA! i'll move ya with my https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=34247!

Commento di Kadjel

Thanks to Titan's Grip, Fury Warriors will be able to wield this with The Unstoppable Force.

We're doomed.

Commento di 262652

the phrase "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?" is actually an old saying and ive heard it plenty of times before the dark night came out and even long befor i played WoW

Commento di 21158

To be clear: Unstoppable Force vs. Immovable Object has apparently been around since the third century BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irresistible_force_paradox

Commento di 299915

When I get this shield, I will challenge a fellow lvl 60 who has The Unstoppable Force to a duel just for kicks. :D

Commento di Kethrook

After thinking about it for a short bit, both this item and the unstoppable force are complete lies =/ To hold the unstoppable force still would be impossible if it truly were unstoppable. And to carry around something that was meant to be immovable... well that one's kind of self-explanitory

Commento di cechjakpoleno

Question: "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?"
Answer: Unstoppable force will not stop, but change its direction of move

simple :p

Commento di 162269

an Fury warrior using The Unstoppable Force and The Immovable Object would split in two...

Commento di hazmatt

Don't wanna be a party pooper, but this is what would happen when the unstoppable force hits the immovable object.

(Taken from Wikipedia)

*SPOILER*

The paradox should be understood as an exercise in logic, not as the postulation of a possible reality. According to modern scientific understanding, no force is completely irresistible, and there are no immovable objects and cannot be any, as even a minuscule force will cause a slight acceleration on an object of any mass. An immovable object would have to have an inertia that was infinite, and therefore infinite mass. Such an object would collapse under its own gravity and create a singularity. An unstoppable force would require infinite energy, which does not exist in a finite universe.

*SPOILER*

Commento di 257235

It would be a nice touch from Blizzard's side if Fury Warriors who tried to wield this along with The Unstoppable Force would explode in that meaty, gory Corpse Explosion manner, don't ya think?

Commento di omer681

I asked a GM about what will happen if The Unstoppable Force hits / pulls The Immovable Object. His answer was 42.

"Greetings _______,
You are reciving this mail in response to the help petition which you submitted regarding the Unstoppable Force versus Immovable Object problem.
We have investigated this issue, and the answer is 42."

Commento di crusader666

Maybe if you have 2 naked lvl 60 players, 1 with The Unstoppable Force and 1 with The Immovable Object and The Unstoppable Force will hit the other player for an average of 42 damage. Following cataclysm and the end of Azeroth, then Deathwing will squeeze through the dark portal and devour the outlands. Then Blizzard kills the players who did it and take over the world.... Something, something...

Commento di Pomodorosan

Gauntlets of the Immovable + The Immovable Object + Girdle of the Immovable

Commento di leettroll

what would happen if you used BOTH The Unstoppable Force and The Immovable Object?

You would become unstoppable, literally.

Commento di 498997

Commento di dumac

Yeah I also haven't paid attention to physics in school, but...

What's with the force moving with velocity? Force does not have it's own velocity, it can only make an object move with certain acceleration (and reach certailn velocity). Also, the object to be immovable has to have infinite inertia; inertia is mass, so the size does not matter.

An example (however a bit abstract) of an immovable object would be a black hole. You can't move it with any kind of force, because you'd need to put the force to it with another mass ("touch it with mass") and you can't do that because the black hole's mass is so great, it pulls everything, including light and time, and noone has any faintest idea what the hell happens to all matter sucked into the black hole. Still the black holes move through the universe, because the universe moves :O

I guess when a black hole would hit a black hole, we would have a situation where we have two unthinkable masses, and an unthinkable force between them, also both of them theoretically cannot be neither stopped nor moved.

Oh, and a black hole is infinitely small.

to summarize::
force =/= velocity
inertia =/= size

theoretical astrophysics - better than raiding Ironforge

I am not claiming to be an physics here. So I will just tell that i learned some.

According to stephen hawkings theory about blackholes, is that if two black holes mets they will spin around each other and pulls closer and closer until they fuse together and becomes a bigger hole in fabric of space.

A black hole is simple a place there gravity was so huge it made fabric of space collapse downwards, the mass who made it become a black hole vanishes and it allows more mass from around get sucked in. You cannot see the black hole itself due as you say fotons(light) gets sucked in too, that you can see is the horizon of the hole there mass is on the edge of it. Black holes spins around very fast, kinda like a vortex(not accurate but a good lie to describe it is not still). The thing is that a black hole does not have to be station, placed at one spot. It can move like a star, and usually does. It is not usually very fast though, the fastest object is most likely neutron stars who can move 100 000 km/h some or faster some of them.

Black holes is not something to be taken lightly, they are as you also says very hard to know something about.
Black holes are the simplest thing to describe in universe also by definations. You got only 3 definations for it, there as a hair (single hair, bit tired so lost memory for just the word for it) can be defined in millions of aspects.

THe thing is if a immovable force hit an immovable object, the force would move it energy around the object said. It would also make energy(heat), due we do not know how much velocity it is i cannot really say how severe it would be. Also is the force constant or is it briefly?

How big is the object, it could be small as a atom but not moving simple or big as universe, this also matters?

How is the object shaped like, is it a square or a cylinder? Perhaps it is a sphere?

Commento di TheLazyCuddler

Immovable you say?
I think not

Commento di greyghost

Excuse me, that's why I said "the closest the universe can contain". I meant exactly that. There cannot exist an immovable object in our universe, but if there was a theoretical black hole, the largest black hole in existence, then it might not be movable by any other single object if it were large enough. Read the first line again:

"Hmm, but can an immovable object have an initial state of movement?"

Consider if such a black hole that I vaguely described just materialized out of thin space with its initial movement. Could it still be called immovable?

I may be wrong, I'm only working with required university level physics here, but I think my conclusion can be seen as at least plausible. Though I think such a black hole would destroy the universe that retains it if it could even exist.

tl;dr: I wasn't stating that black holes don't move, I was interested if they might be the closest thing to immovable.

*also, it's well not field :P

Commento di ryanred500

i finally figured it out..... if the unstoppabl force hits the immovable object... it would create

The End of Dreams :D

Commento di 155232

Only chuck norris and saurfang can handle The Immovable Object and The unstoppable Force together.

Commento di Scisto

Black Holes are the remains of giant stars that became unstable due the internal combustion no longer being sustainable. This instability is created as Hydrogen collides with Helium to make Lithium and eventually even more heavier elements. Once a star starts producing heavy metals like Iron it shrinks in visible size but the mass has grown to a point where light is starting to be effected.

Because the star was large enough it continues, fusing Iron into other metals until the star has "cooled" to a breaking point. At this point it explodes the remaining loose elements into the universe spreading them to planets and other astrological bodies. This is how the natural elements are created and how they arrive on planets such as Earth.

Because the stars mass was so great that it started to affect light (thus the visible shrink) the core of the star, now a small chunk of super heavy metal, starts to pull the cloud of dust around the star into its self. This growth causes the mass to increase exponentially and with it the gravitational pull. At this point it is not a black hole but a Nebulous.

Once the Nebulous collapses, it will have a near infinite mass and gravity will be so high light will not escape. This is now a Black Hole. Now the Black Hole has near infinite mass and all other matter is acted upon by the immense gravitational pull. It has a stable velocity determined at the time of its creation.

Now I would say this IS an immovable object. It is moving at a constant velocity and Newton's Laws state an object in motion wants to stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force. To act upon the core of the Black Hole would require matter to interact with it but no matter can interact with it since all matter is channeled through the Black Hole and becomes part of the overall mass.. Since no force (except the gravity of another Black Hole which breaks my argument) can provide enough force to break the inertia needed to change velocity, a Black Hole is an immovable object.

Commento di Dimonslayer

I know this is an idiotic question and will definitely be downrated soon, but whats with the answer "42"?

Off topic: CAPTCHA=Jenkins Boyactic ...umm yeah...

Commento di kradthebane

As of patch 4.0.1 the cost is 50 honor points.

Commento di Officer

Come to think of it, everything is "unstoppable" in the sense that the kinectic energy created and stored in the moving object cannot be destroyed, only absorbed, converted or redirected. Since we're talking about an unstoppable force, let's just say that the most likely thing to happen is that it would simply bounce off the shield... Technically it never stops, it just starts moving in another direction. Absorbtion by the immovable object could be done by breaking/splitting in 2, then through centrifugal force the object(s) would "not move" but the unstoppable force would be able to continue... unstopped.

Please tell me if this makes any sense? I'm not saying it's right, but it's theoretically a possibility

Commento di 333338

I was trying to block with this thing but it wouldn't budge.

Commento di Thottbot

Buy it from the vendor once exalted with Alterac Valley faction.

http://www.localgovernmentsolutions.com/stormpike/8.jpg

Commento di Thottbot

What happens when the The Immovable Object is hit by The Unstoppable Force? O_o?

Commento di Thottbot

I KNEW IT

those mages with their shifty eyes

>.>

Commento di Thottbot

this is the funniest thread on all of thottbot

/clap

Commento di Thottbot

This shield looks awesum since it is like the warrior has just gone up to a turtle and ripped it off its back and was like wtfpwn and used it as epixx

Commento di Thottbot

What happens if The Unstoppable Force hits the Immovable Object?

Assuming both of these are possible, we must also assume that the universe is infinite,
and we must assume the unstoppable force has infinite kinetic energy and the immovable
object has infinite mass. If the force is unstoppable we must conclude that there is no
possible way for it to change vectors or speed, and therefore a transferrance of energy
is impossible and the law of conservation of momentum is meaningless. If the object has
infinite mass then it must be infinitely large, and in an infinite universe the object
would be the universe itself, becasue the idea of movement outside the universe is
meaningless this would make absolute sense considering the object is immovable. Nomrally,
it would only be logical to assume that if one of these force/objects exists, the other
cannot exist becasue it would cancel the first out, but if we assume that they both exist
we must eventually ask ourselves what would happen if these two collided? If the immovable
object is an entire universe we have to conclude that the unstoppable force does not exist
in the same universe, so where does it exist? According to the string theory, there are
multiple universes all connected by worm holes and are all intertwined like a cloth made of
string where the strings represent wormholes connecting every universe and dimention. This
tells us that the unstoppable force and the immovable object must exist in two different
dimentions from each other, making it impossible for them to collide unless the unstoppable
force enters a worm hole to the dimention of the immovable object. If the object does take
up an entire universe and is in fact immovable, there is no possible way for the unstoppable
force to enter the universe unless it is finite and stoppable, and since it is infinite,
the only explanation is that the unstoppable force leaves one dimention into a worm hole
and tries to enter the dimention of the immovable object and is ejected through another
worm hole into a dimention exactly opposite of the immovable object, thus retaining its
infinite kinetic energy and vector, while the immovable object retains its status as having
infinite mass and size. Conclusion: if the unstoppable force was to hit the immovable
object, this would result in the end of all universes and dimentions as we know it, because
if contact was possible the force would lose its infinite energy and thus it would become
finite, and a finite energy cannot exist in an infinite universe but the unstoppable force
would have to keep traveling, therefore all universes that the force could possibly travel
to (all of them) would become obsolete and disappear, resulting in the apocalypse.

Commento di Thottbot

This shield is an essential piece of equipment for anyone who wants to create the best "pre-raid" character possible. Shamans and Paladins can make good use of it, of course, but that extra Block value will really shine in the hands of a Protection warrior.

As a moderately geared level 60 warrior with a combination of Champion's Battlearmor and Valor (total armor approximately 7500, 57.7% DR) I find that most non-elite mobs simply cannot damage me when I block with this shield. In Battlegrounds, this shield allows me to engage virtually any other melee character on a favorable footing.

Of course, it isn't as effective against the truly high-powered Epic weapons from end-game content, nor is it any defense against magic damage (other than the improved Stamina). And yes, it is quite ugly for an epic.

Overall, this is probably one of the best shields that can be obtained by the "casual" player.

I'm not sure if the +27 block value adds to the base 44 block value when calculating Shield Slam damage. I don't *think* it does, but it's hard to tell.

Players who don't want to spend large amounts of time in Alterac Valley can try going for the Intricately Runed Shield, a lower-powered equivalent which drops off Ras Frostwhisper in Scholomance.

Commento di Thottbot

Easy the world explodes, much like if you try and uninstall diablo 2

Commento di Thottbot

Everybody here seem to see TUF as a substance, it could be something without weight, like radiation. So if there is a radiation that is strong enough to pass throu any object without loosing it's power, it could pass throu the immovable object and so TUF wouldnt be stopped and the immovable wouldnt be moved......

There is also another possibility like each force cancell each other (+1-1=0 as +111111-111111=0 so infinite mass - infinite power = each force cancelling each other (becouse they are oposite forces)

P.S: I'm a 9th grade Portuguese student with no knowledge of astrophysics and my english isnt great , plz tell me if this makes any sense at all.

Commento di Thottbot

It seems that today's patch (Jan 9, 07), gave Immovable a buff. It now has 370 more armor and a block value 14 points higher.

That brings the grand total to 2836 armor and 58 block.

Commento di Thottbot

I think foosball is a combination of soccer and shish-kabobs

Commento di Thottbot

Unlike many of items that are available from the "classic" battlegrounds (WSG, AB, AV), The Immovable Object is still desirable for a level 60-66 character. Block value is the most important quality that a tank should look for in a shield. Because this item's total block value is so high it will hold you over until at least level 64, which is the absolute earliest that a character could reasonably expect to attain either the Shield of the Void (drop from Mana-Tombs) or the Iron Oak Shield (level 66ish quest reward from Blade's Edge Mountains).

In short, this shield was a true workhorse long before the expansion, and it remains so even today.

Commento di Thottbot

There is no spoon.

Commento di Thottbot

The unstoppable force could never hit the Immovable object because TIO could not be moved from the AV vendor's shop.

Commento di Thottbot

http://www.jimloy.com/logic/force.htm

Clearly this person has never played WoW B4

Commento di Thottbot

Longest.
Thread.
Ever.

Commento di Thottbot

LOL you should watch the movie on youtube

Commento di Thottbot

The Ultimate Answer

Haha, was just searching the web and found this. This answers all questions, IMO.

Commento di Thottbot

A wizard did it

Commento di Thottbot

Ok, heres my 2cents on the whole TUF vs. TIO

When the unstoppable force meets the immovable object, the game will freeze for about 15 seconds, during which chuck norris will appear on screen, instantly kill the wield of both TUF and TIO, stop the force of TUF and move TIO, and then wield both and proceed to sack IF, Darnassus, Orgrimmar and Silvermoon city. thn, the game will return to normal with a few holes in the world map =P

Commento di Allakhazam

lol i asked a GM what would happen if these 2 collided and he said Chuck Norris would appear

Commento di Allakhazam

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload1/the_immovable_object.gif

Human in full Might set and Quel'Serrar.

Model Viewer ftw.

Commento di Allakhazam

fine looking tauren!

Commento di Allakhazam

i'd much rather have my force reative disc. plus this thing s crazy ugly! wouldnt pay 1g for it

Commento di Allakhazam

I do hope this is just a placeholder graphic for it. The aesthetics doesn't justify the name and epic quality. It's a FREAKIN WOODEN shield, how's that immovable?

Commento di Allakhazam

THIS SHIELD IS BEUATIFUL!LIKE THE ONE FROM ELDER SCROLLS 3 MORROWIND _ BONESHIELD!

Commento di Allakhazam

Ugly, but nice. I'd rather have draconian.

Commento di Allakhazam

NEED PIC PLZ!

Commento di Allakhazam

What happens if u block The Unstoppable Force with this shield that is Immovable? :D

Commento di Allakhazam

Can both factions get this shield?

Commento di Allakhazam

Looks like a green beetle shell.
So yeah it's ugly but very good.

Commento di Allakhazam

The Big Question here is, how does this compare to the Deflector?

Commento di Allakhazam

That pic is of Tygore from Burning Legion - what a sexy beast!

Commento di Allakhazam

Cool lookin shield... *waits for insults*

Yeah, it's just a cool lookin shield :D

Edited, Tue Mar 14 17:07:44 2006

Commento di Allakhazam

turtles= immovable (or at least very, very slow)
thus: turtle shell=immovable object

Commento di Allakhazam

The Unstoppable Force VS The Immovable Object attempt 1
"Two alliance warriors duelled. One was wielding The Unstoppable Force, the other one The Immovable Object. The two great artifacts collided in a titanic clash. The warriors were thrown to the ground, and the very earth's foundations were almost dissolved by the great shockwave..."
Ars Magnis, Dwarven Chronicler
"And then an Undead warlock wielding Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian came by and owned both of the alliances, ya mon!"
Yambala, Troll Storyteller
Don't mess with the locks!
The Unstoppable Force VS The Immovable Object attempt 2
"Two alliance warriors duelled. One was wielding The Unstoppable Force, the other one The Immovable Object. The two great artifacts collided in a titanic clash. But eventually The Immovable Object gave way in a great crack. Because The Unstoppable Force had a +1 dmg enchant on it..."
We will probably never know which item is better...

Commento di Allakhazam

Chuck Norris could move it

Commento di Allakhazam

Shield looks totally like the one from Elder Scrolls 3, the one that the Redoran House Guards would carry around. This shield is L33T!

Commento di Allakhazam

I bought this 2 days ago, it's a good tankshield. No comments about the layout

Commento di Allakhazam

luuks ugly but nice as tanking shield though aye.

Commento di Allakhazam

weird equip... +27 block. could've been 44+27= 71 block and no equip aswell, or is there a difference between block and block value?

Commento di Allakhazam

all of you are dumbasses, this/draconian/force reactive SUCKS compared to drillborer disk.

Commento di Allakhazam

it'd be nice if the shield looked as good as it's icon

Commento di Allakhazam

No pics of it ?

Commento di Allakhazam

what rep do u need 2 buy it?

Commento di Allakhazam

cant decide which i should use draconian or this shield i like the + defense but idk if the + block is worth the + def loss please help

Commento di Muffpotter

It's a neat alternative to the Drillborer Disk. Similiar overall stats, the +%Block and thorns effect on the Disk are negligible outside of tanking 5-mans.

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The Immovable Object

Livello dell’oggetto 65
Binds when picked up

Off Hand	Scudo

2186 Armatura
+15 Tempra
Integrità 120 / 120

Richiede il livello 60
Equip: Increases your parry rating by 18.

Prezzo di vendita: 4 44 45

[Vendor Locations]

[This item can be purchased in] Hillsbrad Foothills (3), Alterac Valley , e Undercity .

The Immovable Object

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