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Kommentar von Katch

Aw no, come on more op stuff, great -.-

Kommentar von 550291

Heh, looks like "Find Weakness" is back, but in another tree & with different mechanic. This will add some rough flat damage to Subtlety; looks like a desperate trying of Blizz to not make Subt. tree a "bleed" one;
It's to early to eastimate; so far Sub.t looks quite refreshed but unfinished.

Kommentar von 255077

does this talent work for the ambush itself? or only as a "post" effect?

Kommentar von Vip3r

I wonder that too. It's a cool way if the debuff is applied just before ambush hits. If it does then we are looking at a 50% armor mitigation to ambush at all times.

Kommentar von 247667

This talent may have been implemented to make up for the removal of armor penetration.

Kommentar von yesya

This talent is a gem for 4.0 pvp rogues - it makes your ambush and backstabs hit more consistently, and hit harder.
With your opener combination of Premed + ShS + Ambush -> kidney shot -> backstab or shadow dance ambush, this talent gives you ability to burst down mail and plate - I have had lucky strings of crits where warriors do not survive duration of kidney shot, which they most definitely would have without armour ignorance.

Holy paladins on the other hand, you may as well just ignore them, damn things.

Kommentar von 290043

this debuff appears after ambush, garrote or cheap shot and can proc poison from main hand weapon.

Kommentar von 582434

this plus exposed armor for a deeper stab

Kommentar von 632461

Was 50% in 4.0, buffed to 70% in 4.0.6.

The damage reduction does not apply on the initial ambush. In PvE, that means you should pop your cooldowns after Find Weakness is up.

Kommentar von HelloKitty

Some facts you may be wondering:

1. No. It does not effect the ambush that causes it. On target dummies, my first ambush tends to crit ~18k, while my following ambushes in the shadow dance crit for ~25k.
2. It does not stack with Expose Armor.

Kommentar von 518496

Just did some math on this ability, was considering it for use in PVE. Just wanted to point out some things about it:

Its impossible to calculate uptime percentage for the first hit of the fight, because fights last different durations, so I'll ignore that hit for now.

10 seconds uptime / 60 seconds from Shadow Dance = ~16.66% uptime
10 seconds uptime / 180 seconds from Vanish = ~5.53%
(10 seconds uptime / 120 seconds from Talented Vanish = ~8.33%)
(10 seconds uptime / 310 seconds from Prep. Vanish = ~3.23%, given you use it immediately 10 seconds after a previous vanish)

Total: 22.19% - 28.22% uptime depending on the rest of your talents.
@ 70% armor reduction gives 15.53% - 19.75% armor reduction over any given fight.

Keep in mind tho that this doesn't stack with Sunder/Expose, so it's actual effectiveness is dimished by 12%, meaning it's only ~3.53% - 17.75% armor reduction (for this talent alone).

So all in all, if you tailor your rotation to specifically get as many possible ambush/garotte hits in as you can (which any Sub rogue SHOULD be doing) this gives you quite a bonus armor reduction without costing you any additional combo points, energy, or Globals. And I didn't even add in the math if you hit twice or more per shadow dance, that would be difficult to calculate. I'm still not sure if it's worth it unless you spec into Imp. Vanish and Prep. But you make the call. :)

Kommentar von 223389

Can someone help explain how this affects NPCs? Besides level, where can mob armor vary? Would a mage type character have low armor and a melee character have high armor? My character at level 32 has 715 armor (18.64% physical damage reduction). Say the NPC I'm attacking has the same, would 70% reduction apply to 715 or 18.64% (not sure if there is a linear relation).

Kommentar von 746315

Find Weakness will fail to proc if the target is immune to the the attack: Cheap Shot will not proc the debuff on a boss level mob since it is immune to stuns. This results in sub hurting quite bad on fights where Ambush and Garrote are not options.

Kommentar von eliot22

Does anybody know if and how this affects magic-based armor such as priest's bubble or frost mage's armor?

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