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Kommentar von 497042

0.4 * AP seems a little low. It may have limited use when trying to kill a decked healer, but where this ability is going to shine is against dps classes that can heal. It is not yet known how long the absorption effect will last, but I think it will be possible to entirely absorb abilities like rogue's recuperation, warlock's soul leach or warrior's blood craze/second wind using this ability back to back.

Kommentar von LoreKeeperMobius

low scaling but, AP stack anyone?

Kommentar von Sardon

The 0.4 co-efficiency of this spell may seem surprising, but we have to remember that Blizzard intends to remove certain stats such as Armor Pen from equipment, this could be replaced by the new mastery stat, or even Strength. A lot of statistic changes are going on during Cataclysm's launch and it could actually turn out to be a very solid number.

Also, with most players' AP ranging from 8k-12k in high end raids, I wouldn't be too surprised to see equal numbers at 85 in decent gear, all things considered.

I am curious though if the effect can "stack" in a way. Like if you opt to use this twice in a row(if it has no cooldown), will it be say... about 4800 Healing absorption from both hits causing a 9,600 Anti-Healing buffer? Or would it just renew the duration and amount? If it's the latter of the two, then this would be more a spell to be used sparingly and in well timed strikes along with Strangulate and Mind Freeze in order to burst down the target.

Kommentar von 221517

does this strike have an effect after u use it like a dot under the boss thats says u gain the next healing effect that gets throwen out withen a certain amount of time?

Kommentar von Luvs2Spoon

this will be a very powerful ability for arena frost dk's as howling blast no longer requires an unholy rune and with the cata changes to quick spammable heals. It will apply consistently growing pressure until a good opportunity opens in which the dk can begin adding obliterates into his rotation

Kommentar von 231753

I don't see why anyone feels the 0.4% AP scaling is poor - this scales with AP better than any other strike we have, even 2-rune strikes. Consider that the AP scaling of a strike that does "100% weapon damage" is 0.24% with a 2-hander.

All things considered, assuming 10k AP and one of the entry-level 85 epic weapons we've seen, NS sits at around 8k "damage" before further modifiers (talents, presences, target armor etc). Blood Strike with 2 diseases under the same conditions would be around 5.5k, Scourge Strike with 3 diseases, around 6.5k

Consider also that Necrotic Strike has full effect without diseases active, and more critically, that around half of the "damage" isn't mitigated by armor.

There certainly is a problem with a lack of talents that integrate with Necrotic Strike - something I think will be fixed in a future beta build.

Kommentar von Leviatharan

Buffed as of last night. Now deals 100% wep damage- the equivalent of a Plague Strike or Scourge Strike w/o diseases- and absorbs healing up to 75% of the DK's AP for up to 15 sec (up from 80% damage/40% AP/10 sec). In addition, as long as it's left unhealed, casting speed on the target is reduced by 30%.
Hopefully, this means that healers will be compelled to try and remove it, while still being an inconvenience to them... and even better, NOW it has some PvE applications as well for holding off That One Boss who's always casting!

Of course, it still needs to look like a PvP Plague Strike... inclusion in Desecration/Rage of Rivendare would be nice (I'd like to say Blood Plague application as well, but let's face it, that'd make this an Uber-Plague Strike instead of a PvP version).

Kommentar von 661783

How will it behave with a Mortal Strike debuff on the target as well? Will only 75% of the heal be applied toward the NS debuff or will 100% apply toward NS debuff and then the remaining will apply to the MS debuff?

I'm really interested in different combination of these spells. Could be very potent!

Kommentar von 664892

Mmm.. let's do some maths :P
8000 AP = 6000 healing absorbed
Your target receives a heal that heals him by 10000, with Mortal Strike that heal will be reduced by 25%, so he will be healed by 7500.
Your Necrotic Strike absorbs 6000 healing, so your target will receive a 1500 heal.
(10000 . 0.75) - 6000 = 1500
Easy :P

Kommentar von 664892

Bah, 1500, 3000, it's the same, healers will cry :P

Kommentar von 664892

Druids shouldn't have an issue with DK's like the did in S5. Atleast this doesn't dispell HoTs, it only gets rid of the next heal.

Priest: Renew/ProM
Druids: A lot of hots for them
Paladin: Owned
Shaman: Owned

Also, does this work for self heals? Like the hunters chimera shot or warrior talent heals, Rogue recuperate, DKs strike?

Basically what I'm saying is that if this does work on just one HoT tick, then this shouldn't be a problem but for only a couple classes.

It absorbs ALL healing done to the target, included bandages, until the debuff expires because it is consumed or its duration finishes.

Kommentar von BlackWvyern

So, each application of the healing absorption stacks with the previous. I tested it out on a dummy and got bored around 180k healing absorption debuff. This is going to be great for a team with good CC that can lay the debuff on and keep the healers quiet.

Kommentar von 664892

180k? Oh god that's really boring D:

Kommentar von Morbius

If you don't PvP this isn't worth the 20g it costs to train. I don't understand why they give us abilities with limited usefulness when I already have 2 as it is. That plus the fact that there are no really useful talents beyond level 82 to put points in if you're unholy makes leveling to 85 not very exciting except for the gear upgrades and the huge amount of hitpoints you get.

Kommentar von 629499

Hmm... Maybe a frost DK would use this more than an unholy. Think about it. Unholy have Scourge Strike and Plague strike. Frost pretty much have Obliterate. (i don't use PS in PvP... sue me) Now, i don't have the scaling of attack power of SS or PS, so i'm just saying this ...well, because i'm bored.

BUT, this ability maybe better than the other 3 I mentioned because it's kind of like damage, which pierces armour fully. Not like magic, as it has no resists. Not like melee as it ignores armour.(apart from that 100% wep dmg) It is UNIQUE.

I'm not gonna tell you how to use it, because i don't know yet. Just looove it 8P*salivates*

Kommentar von 698955

This MURDERS healers in PvP. In a close fight, shutting down their self-healing for only the few seconds it would take them to outheal this can mean the difference between their continued survival and their unexpectedly sudden demise. It also means it's that much harder for them to shake you off; overriding Nectrotic Strike means they're healing you in the process.

Also good in PvE as a supplement to Death Strike when fighting healer mobs and as an extra tool for shutting down healers in dungeons when Strangulate and Mind Freeze are on cooldown.

Kommentar von BobTheLegendary

As of today, Dec. 28th 2010 Necrotic Strike does indeed stack upon itself, making it even more appealing than it already was. Necrotic Strike(NS) proves to be invaluable in Battlegrounds and even Arenas if implemented well with locking down the healers.

I'm a DW Frost DK, and this move is amazing for me because although burning a couple Unholy Runes cuts into my Obliterates, we have Howling Blast and Frost Strike to help with burst after applying a couple NS hits. I've found great success with NS on self-healing classes like Rogues and Warriors because when they pop their CDs/heals they typically don't pay attention to the debuff and can't do much about it anyways. So as a quick recap and feel free to correct me;

Necrotic Strike does...

- Does a fair amount of damage and capable of Critical Hits (the absorb amount stays the same, I believe)
- Stack indefinitely right now
- Reapplies the full duration of the debuff (Useful to know because your Runes replenish faster than it can fall off)
- Absorbs self-healing mechanics like Recuperate and Blood Craze.
- Scales with Attack Power
- Works in conjunction with Mortal Strike effects
- Ignores Resilience (will be fixed in a later patch)

Kommentar von seitori

This may seem like a PvP only skill, but it does have occasional use in PvE. A good example is the Temple Adepts in Vortex Pinnacle. If your group messes up the pull and/or CC somehow, these guys can be a real headache, especially if they are standing inside the Grounding Field. These NPCs spam heals, and you won't be able to Mind Freeze or Strangulate them there. This skill will give you an edge in that bad scenario, for example.

Kommentar von 125795

4.0.6 preliminary patchnotes

Necrotic Strike's absorption effect is now reduced by the target's resilience.

Kommentar von 303127

And by "absorbs", dose it mean that the DK absorbs/gets the healing? Or nobody gets it?

Kommentar von 97333

I actually use NS for the reduced cast time when i tank when i know there is mobs/trash/bosses who have something nasty they cast.

Kommentar von 652625

this ability would have really shined on Anub'arak in ToC

stack the healing debuff as high as you can before he gets into phase 2 and keep using it even in phase 2...bring nothing but dk dps and tanks and you could pretty much face roll the hardest part of the fight!

Kommentar von 292117

anyone knows what i means that the resil of a player is taken into account in pvp ?
is it mine resil or the target and whats the calculation of the amount this spell does?

Kommentar von 765307

I am playing Unholy DK in arena, and I am SPAMMING this strike when the targets HP drops below 20% to make sure he dosen´t recive any healing as I finish him off.

My question is : Does the Absorb effect STACK when I hit him more then 1 time ? Because if it don´t I am wasting a good amount of dmg, when I should be using only every 2nd strike on NcS. Comfirm that as of patch 4.0.6 NcS STILL got a absorb stacking effect please ? :)

Kommentar von mercado1234

This is EXTREMELY OVERPOWERED! I'm a holy paladin with full vicious, and I didn't even get a SINGLE HEAL IN from just TWO necrotic strikes. This is un-dispellable and almost impossible to get around. I used my Lay On Hands (I have 132k health), OVER 85k HEALTH WAS ABSORBED FROM JUST THREE HITS OF THIS (and you say Lay On Hands is overpowered?)! My advice to other healers out there? REROLL. This is an extremely overpowered spell that Death Knights have, and Blizzard needs to nerf it ASAP. P.S: Don't mind all the capitals, it's to get my point across.

I was listening to you until you said Lay On Hands. You're judging this from a duel, sir. Learn how to kite, don't let him stack it on you so much. Without this skill how else would a dk kill you? You whine because the class has a few good skills and you want them to be completely useless and terrible.
edit: Oh and get more resilience.

Kommentar von seahen

Does the casting speed debuff also stack, or only the absorb?

Kommentar von Joeymasta

This is extremely useful and beneficial to all Death Knights, even Blood, but it's even better if you have chose the specializations of Unholy or Frost, with tons of haste on your PvP gear, and it will be fairly easy to take out just about anything, and render Blood Death Knights useless by stacking it so many times that their Death Strikes are absorbed. Take that out of their rotation and they will have less survivability in the Arena, duels, and Battlegrounds.

I've taken out plenty of Blood Death Knights while spamming it as a Frost Death Knight in all of the mentioned; we have 2 permanent Death Runes, allowing us to slap on our diseases with Outbreak and using Necrotic Strike as much as possible, whenever required, which depends on the situation you're currently in. You'll be able to rely on Frost Strike, if you've plenty of Runic Power to waste, not to mention Obliterate, whenever your runes are off cooldown. All I can say really is that this spell is very, very useful for Death Knights.

Be wary and don't get too cocky, that's all.

Kommentar von 559138

This is the best strike that take runes for PvP DKs by far and somewhat ironically, the best ''MS'' debuff out there. Unholy DKs in pvp don't even use Scourge Strike in favor of this and frost DKs use it to replace obliterate.

Kommentar von guatafu

Nullifies the usage of Scourge Strike PvP wise.

Kommentar von 847734

any tips on how to counter this as a healer ?
the momment i have Dk on me its game over ,i play a resto druid and my only hope is to dash away hoping some1 will keep the Dk off me . i'm a rookie when it comes to pvp , just asking for some pointers not calling for nerfs or anything .
cheers

Kommentar von 859969

Although it may not seem so at first, this ability does have some PvE applications. Bosses who repeatedly get healed are the obvious candidates, but don't forget about the increase to a mob's casting time as a secondary effect. That's great for those annoying trash packs who bring along a pet healer.

Kommentar von Goats

I'm curious why blizzard decided this skill was a good idea to bring into the game, especially after what they did with wound poison and mortal strike. A curse of tongues that also acts as a healing reduction to your target....

Kommentar von 860557

Just need some clarification here: Is the negate healing effect from NS affected or not by resilience?

Kommentar von Maleficious

Was being harassed by a higher level shadow priest in Deepholm today, until an 85 ret pally came along to show the priest some justice, but between the fears and the heals and stuff, they were pretty evenly matched for a while.

So using my 4 Death runes and 2 Unholy runes I jump in and hit Necrotic Strike 6 times.

Mrs Shadow Priest then died whilst frantically mashing her Flash Heal button to no avail.

I love this strike now.

Kommentar von WyvernVJ

New buffs and debuffs map (5.0b)

Buffs

Stats
Effect: +5% Strength, Agility, and Intellect
Brought by: Any Druide (Mal der Wildnis), any monk (), and any Paladin (Segen der Könige).

Stamina
Effect: +10% Stamina
Brought by: Any Priester (Machtwort: Seelenstärke), any Hexenmeister (), and any Krieger (Befehlsruf).

Attack Power
Effect: +10% melee and ranged attack power
Example: Battle Shout
Brought by: Any Todesritter (Horn des Winters), any Jäger (Aura des Volltreffers), and any Krieger (Schlachtruf).

Spell Power
Effect: +10% spell power
Brought by: Any Magier (Arkane Brillanz), any Schamane (Totemischer Zorn), and any Hexenmeister ().

Haste
Effect: +10% melee and ranged haste
Brought by: Frost and Unholy Todesritters, any Schurke (), and Enhancement Schamanes.

Spell Haste
Effect: +5% spell haste
Brought by: Balance Druides (Aura des Mondkin), Shadow Priester (Schattengestalt), and Elemental Schamanes.

Critical Strike
Effect: +5% ranged, melee, and spell critical chance
Brought by: Guardian and Feral Druides (Rudelführer), any Jäger (Aura des Volltreffers), and any Magier.

Mastery
Effect: +5 mastery
Brought by: Windwalker monks (), any Paladin (Segen der Macht), and any Schamane ().

Debuffs

Weakened Armor
Effect: -12% armor
Brought by: Any Druide (Feenfeuer), any Schurke (Rüstung schwächen), and any Krieger (Rüstung zerreißen).

Physical Vulnerability
Effect: +4% physical damage taken
Brought by: Frost and Unholy Todesritters (Brüchige Knochen and Schwarzer Seuchenbringer), Retribution Paladins (), and Arms and Fury Kriegers (Kolossales Schmettern).

Magic Vulnerability
Effect: +8% spell damage taken
Brought by: Any Schurke (Meister der Gifte), and any Hexenmeister (Fluch der Elemente).

Weakened Blows
Effect: -10% physical damage done.
Brought by: Blood Todesritters (Blutungsfieber), Feral and Guardian Druides (Hauen and ), Brewmaster monks, Protection or Retribution Paladins (Hammer der Rechtschaffenen), and any Krieger (Donnerknall) (basically any tank).

Slow Casting
Effect: -30% casting speed
Brought by: Any Todesritter (Nekrotischer Stoß), any Schurke (Gedankenbenebelndes Gift), and any Hexenmeister ().

Mortal Wounds
Effect: -25% healing received
Brought by: Arms or Fury Kriegers (Tödlicher Stoß and ), any Schurke (Sofort wirkendes Gift), and any Jäger (Witwentoxin).

Will update as new info comes.

Kommentar von Narfachu

Question: Does the Necrotic Strike debuff apply twice when used while dual-wielding? I'm assuming not, but I haven't tested it. I know that 2h frost for pvp is really good right now, and I think that if they somehow incorporated NS into the Threat of Thassarian talent, then that would be fun. Though extremely overpowered.

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Nekrotischer Stoß

Nekrotischer Stoß

1 Unheilige Rune / -10 Runenmacht	Nahkampfreichweite

Spontanzauber

Ein bösartiger Schlag, der 100% Waffenschaden verursacht und die nächsten vom Ziel erhaltenen (0.70 * Attack power) Punkte Heilung absorbiert. Zudem wird die Zauberzeit des Ziels 10 Sek. lang, oder bis der gesamte Heilwert absorbiert wurde, um 30% erhöht.

Stärkungszauber

Nekrotischer Stoß

Die nächsten 1 Punkte Heilung werden absorbiert.
Zauberzeit um 30% erhöht.
Noch 10 sekunden

Zauberdetails

Dauer

10 sekunden

Magieart

Physisch

Mechanik

n/a

Bannart

n/a

GCD-Kategorie

Normal

Kosten

1 Unheilige Rune / -10 Runenmacht

Reichweite

5 Meter (Kampf)

Zauberzeit

Sofort

Abklingzeit

n/a

GCD

1.5 sekunden

Effekt #1

Apply Aura: [Mod Healing Absorb %] (Arkan, Feuer, Frost, Heilig, Natur, Physisch, Schatten)
Wert: 1%
PVP-Multiplikator: 1

Effekt #2

Weapon Damage - %
Wert: 100
PVP-Multiplikator: 1

Effekt #3

Apply Aura: [Mod Casting Speed - %]
Wert: -30%
PVP-Multiplikator: 1

Flags

Ist Fähigkeit
Waffe nicht wegstecken
Initiiere Kampf (aktiviert Auto-Attack)
Macht bei verfehlen ignorieren
Benötigt eine Haupthandwaffe
Aura zeigt auf Clienten

Nekrotischer Stoß

Stärkungszauber

Zauberdetails

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