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Kommentar von Crevox

Drops in normal mode of the new 5 man instance, Trial of the Champion.

This has a 25% chance to proc per cast, and likely a 45 second internal cooldown.

It's a weaker Pandora's Plea with full regen stats and no throughput. Very nice trinket, and can be obtained much easier than Pandora's Plea.

Kommentar von Crevox

If this trinket procs every 45 seconds, the proc will equate to about 55.6mp5. It would make more sense if it procced every 50, and that would be about 50 mp5 (assuming a 1.5 sec cast time). Nifty chart ensues, with left being how much time it took to proc whenever it's up, and benefit on the right:

Note the proc only has a 25% chance per cast to work. I'm talking about the proc here, not the trinket's mp5 value as a whole.

Time Benefit
0 sec 55.60mp5
1 sec 54.35mp5
2 sec 53.19mp5
3 sec 52.08mp5
4 sec 51.02mp5
5 sec 50.00mp5
6 sec 49.02mp5
7 sec 48.08mp5

Because of how it scales down, it would be more useful to a chain caster, like a Discipline priest.

TLDR:
The proc has a net worth of 50 mp5 in a fight.

Kommentar von 182184

with kings and replenishment this will give about 1386 mana and 54 mp5. Compared to https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=45703#comments which gives about 74 mp5 to spirit based casters. For Vezax, this trinket still gives 1386 mana, and spark still gives about 40 mp5. It takes almost 3 minutes for 40 mp5 to match 1386 mana, giving the 5 man trinket the edge.No more need to run 10 man ulduar.

Kommentar von 46845

I'll prob try to pick up one of these on my shaman for arena, i seem to go through a lot of mana spamming lhw that even with the CD 500mana back is better then nothing and seeing how i don't raid this is probably bis for someone like me, who knows tho.

Kommentar von Vanadis

It's weird as it states 'each time you cast a helpful spell', but... it also procs when you switch talents with dual spec...

Kommentar von Javaed

As Crevox kindly pointed out, this trinket will probably average out as about 50 MP5 from the proc. I'd like to point out the benefits of the Int though.

84 int equates to .5049% crit, 1260 mana for your mana pool, and 12.6 MP5 when you have replenishment. Add Kings into the mix, and you get 92.4 Int, which gives you .5544 crit, 1386 mana, and 13.86 MP5 with replenishment. Priests get even more benefit from the trinket, as it adds another 693 mana restored by Shadow Fiend.

This is a very powerful trinket for fights where longevity matters, and is about the easiest epic level trinket to get. I'm honestly surprised that this wasn't on the heroic mode loot table.

TLDR - With Kings you get 53.86 MP5, 0.55% chance to crit, and 1386 extra mana.

Kommentar von Realdeal

The proc is called "Mana Mana" I giggled when i saw the combat log

Kommentar von Eruionmel

Some comparisons in mana regen for resto shaman:

28% unbuffed crit casting riptide > HW > HW rinse/repeat through about 4 full mana bars:

Mana restored:
Water Shield 73.1%
Mana Restore (Meta) 15.3%
Mana Mana (Trinket) 11.7%

I noticed while raiding that it tended to actually beat out my meta for mana regen, but it was consistently behind while spamming unbuffed spells in IF.

An excellent trinket for mana regen.

Kommentar von 263105

The guys at EJ explains this better than I could:

10 Intellect = 6 mp5 if you have a 5-minute fight with Mana Tide and 100% uptime from Replenishment.

10 Intellect also gives 3.3 crit rating and 1.8 spell power

Intellect gives mana from three different sources. Four if you include improved water shield procs.

1. Initial mana pool. +18mana.
2. Replenish. 0.225mp5
3. Mana tide. 4.32mana per use.

In five minute fight those number are:
1. 0.3mp5
2. 0.225mp5
3. 0.072mp5

Those combined give ~0.6mp5.

CREDIT: Pitbuller

84x0.6 = 50.4

Not exactly rocket science

Kommentar von 365520

Anyone want to tell me why so many people are comparing a 5man normal mode trinket to an ulduar 10/25 trinket?

Kommentar von 293410

I got this on my holy paladin the other day and tested it in Ulduar10. It produces about the same mana over a given fight as the meta, and it procs ALL the time.. even when I'm not doing anything. We had a running joke in the raid because someone would /rw and I'd get 500 mana, or /readycheck, 500 mana, mounting up, 500 mana, buffing, talent switching, vent activity, 500 mana.

Obviously not all of these things are causing the trinket to proc, but it seems like it just ticks 500 mana every time the internal cooldown is up, whether you've actually done anything or not. This seems broken/buggy. I smell a hotfix.

Kommentar von Beregond

I confronted it with Darkmoon Card :Greatness from a paladin PoV, considering a mana pool of 30k raid buffed (an average value for a mix of Naxx25 and Ulduar gear, int stacking) and on a 3 min timer (time required to synchronize DP with Greatness proc):
- with Tears of the Vanquished we have 2000 mana gained, ~55 mp5
- with DC:G ~1200 extra mana from Plea (I considered DP popped within 1st 2 sec of Greatness proc) and optionally 651 mana by meleeing with SoW (15ppm--->3, luckily 4 proc within 15 sec of Greatness buff) corresponding to ~33-51 mp5 NOT RELIABLE, because it needs a good timing, paticular fighting situations and the possibility to sustain Plea debuff for the whole duration
BUT
DC:G has 6 more intellect and 300 int proc gives also 60 spell power and ~ 2,19% crit for roghly 1/3 of the fight and if planets are aligned and u're lucky to get a few mana tide ticks with Greatness up it's another 1k mana restored

My conclusion is....looking at regen (our current main issue unless u're a FoL spammer, but at that point why a int trinket, go for a spell power one...) I'll stick to TotV (with Pandora's Plea in the other slot), more reliable and I'm not bound anymore to Dp/Greatness proc mechanic, but I cry for the lost extra bonus of Greatness :(

Any opinion on this matter?

Kommentar von 436428

got one today on my disc. priest. does seem to proc a hell of a lot. not complaining at all. one snazzy trinket and easy to get!

Kommentar von 165304

Can this trinket be used in conjunction with the meta gem or do they share an internal CD? I'm thinking it would be quite a powerful mana return combo if used together.

Kommentar von racedude

Earlier today, I picked up this trinket, and was previously using a Sapphire Owl (with 2x 20int gems), and Pandora's Plea. After doing some research I figured that it is better than the owl. Int is roughly equivalent with epic gems; the owl restores 2340 mana every 5 minutes. Tears will restore 500 every 45-50 seconds, which (using the 50 second value) is 3000 mana every 5 minutes. Hopefully this will help other JC Pallys (and other classes) decide there trinkets.

Obsideon <From the Ashes>
Shattered Hand - US

Kommentar von 440663

Is it just me or is the drop rate super low? haha

A really nice trinket , trying to make as many runs as I can for this.

I'm planning to use this with the Egg of Mortal Essence , should be a nice combo.

Kommentar von 258799

Question:
Would the proc effect give mana back in the General Vezax fight? Have a hard time seeing it would but hey, worth checking out

Kommentar von Gawwad

Procced off a Discerning Eye of the Beast proc.

Kommentar von 110578

The 1260 mana and .5% crit is amazing this trink just made my mana efficient disc priest even more so. I recommend this trinket for other disc priests, holy pallies, and shamans perhaps as well

though im not saying its a bad trinket for other healing classes i think, for example, a holy priest should get an actual high mp5 trink than this one that just gives a high amount of mana, roughly 6.8 mp5 from the 84 int. id stick with trying to get Spirit-World Glass instead

Ive had this proc back to back with the insightful earthseige meta gem. The proc rate on this trink seems to be higher than the meta gem as i see +500 mana flash quite a bit more often than the +600 i get from the meta. Ive also seen it proc off inner fire and other buffs. its also procced on like the 2nd or 3rd penance hit so it procs at strange times. If it has the ability to proc off a mana generating spell such as hymn of hope and such id say thatd be a bit much

EDIT: it just procced off of hymn of hope lol

Kommentar von 263105

These numbers do not take into account the replenishment nerf that came into effect the same time this trinket was released. So, yeah, building the Challenger?

And rather than correct it you chose to enlighten us with that very useful comment, let me to the math for you.

3.2 patchnotes

Replenish This buff now grants 1% of the target's maximum mana over 5 seconds instead of 0.25% per second.

so from 0.25% to 0.20% per second => a 20% nerf, lowering the 0.225mp5 to 0.18mp5

This in turn makes the effect of 1 int 0.552mp5

making the intellect part of this trinket worth (84x0.552) 46,368 mp5 for restoration shaman, making the trinket's net worth 102mp5 for restoration shamans in a typical boss fight.

Kommentar von Rach3l

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6856/wowscrnshot081609060418.png

I submitted this screenshot of the proc, hopefully it will be uploaded shortly. It looks like a series of green concentric circles around your character's body, then fades into greenish gold (though the gold may just be because my holy spells are golden in color). And it is indeed named "Mana Mana" in the combat log.

Kommentar von 204430

Can this proc off of Water Shield?

Kommentar von 380852

I really wish this trinket didn't have the int, and it had some other equally usefull healer stat.

The reason is, that every time this item drops for me, about once every 5 or so runs, a dps will always need and win over me because of the int, no matter how much i tell them not to ninja the healing trinket, and tell them it clearly is meant to be a healer trinket, as there is already a caster dps, meele/range dps and tanking trinket from the same inst, it should be mine (the healer) without question.

Judging by the comments on this page, lots of the other people here don't have the same dps ninja problem, i know i might get downrated if i ask for advice but hell, how do i get this trinket without making my own group and changing it to master looter every time we get to the last boss?

It might just be my server, but its a very annoying problem..

Kommentar von sjaak377

only dropped once for me and mage took it -_- i really want this as a holydin ;)

Kommentar von 185878

For discipline priests, this procs off of penance, even when you are casting it on an enemy.

Kommentar von 408480

This trinket is amazing. it procs about ever 3rd to 4th arcane blast i cast so i am getting back all of the mana from it.

Kommentar von 365979

This trinket seems to proc off of https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=54646 procs. Screenshot submitted. Will be doing further tests and updating with confirmation.

Edit: During a testing session my recount showed 5500 mana returned from the proc, my testing partners proc watch add-showed 11 focus magic procs.

(Edit again: typo)

Kommentar von 125795

Each time you cast a helpful spell, you have a chance to gain 500 mana(25% proc)
45sec internal CD
A druid casting with 1sec GCD will get a proc every 55sec
500mana every 55sec = 45.5mp5

84intellect = 1260mana(if over a 300sec fight = 21mp5)

So, for a druid, in a 5min fight, this is equal to a passive 66.5mp5

MP5 trinkets for druids(sorted by mp5 ofc):
250mp5 Spark of Hope +20.5 spellpower
80mp5 Soul Preserver +75 spellpower
75mp5 Darkmoon Card: Greatness +39 spellpower
72mp5 Figurine - Sapphire Owl
70mp5 Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon
70mp5 Majestic Dragon Figurine +37spellpower
69mp5 Living Ice Crystals
67mp5 Tears of the Vanquished
66mp5 Show of Faith +140 spellpower
60mp5 Spark of Life +73 haste rating
57mp5 Binding Light +68 spellpower
55mp5 Spirit-World Glass +29 spellpower
54mp5 Energy Siphon +68 spellpower
53mp5 Sif's Remembrance +110spellpower
39mp5 Valonforth's Remembrance +10 spellpower
36mp5 Winged Talisman +58 spellpower
34mp5 Je'Tze's Bell +106 spellpower
33mp5 Soul of the Dead +2% crit
32mp5 Talisman of Resurgence +100 spellpower
29mp5 Talisman of Troll Divinity +15 spellpower
28mp5 Cannoneer's Morale +47 spellpower
27mp5 Pandora's Plea +136 spellpower
26mp5 Memento of Tyrande +62 spellpower
25mp5 Darkmoon Card: Illusion +100 spellpower
21mp5 Bangle of Endless Blessings +5 spellpower
20mp5 Forethought Talisman +111 spellpower
12mp5 Futuresight Rune +68 spellpower

Kommentar von Stormwaker

I find it interesting that it'll proc off beneficial spells, I randomly cast it in AB while leaping off the LM cliff to BS, and it proc'd off of Levitate.

Kommentar von pnukup

This can proc from Ghost Wolf

Kommentar von 97145

Proc'd off a hearthstone. I laughed a bit.

Kommentar von 284227

Is this trinket only for healing? I was a bit confused at the "Helpful spell" part. Why don't they just put healing or damaging? Gah, blizz, clear it up for us who overthink things. :)

Kommentar von 474370

for resto shammy with 3/3 nature's blessing and 5/5 ancestral knowledge , these are numbers I calculated from comparison with Talisman of Resurgence.

Tears of the Vanquished
+84 intellect

+.54% crit
+13 healing
+1375 mana or so (23 mp5 in 5 min fight)

internal cooldown

reportedly 45 mp5 or so

+68 mp5 over all for shammy specced right

plus stacks with
Blessing of kings
Drums of Forgotten Kings

Kommentar von Milca

This just proc'd off my

Kommentar von 102859

Ok, after some intensive research on this trinket procing out of the blue, I can assure you that it won't *Zansky gains 500 mana from Zansky's Mana Mana*... Wait, nevermind.

Kommentar von Interest

Somehow the Black Knight managed to steal these from Algalon before they were consumed...

How he managed that we'll never know.

Kommentar von 238445

Can someone confirm that it can proc of activated beacon of light?
I noticed that when i cast beacon on light i get Mana mana proc even if im not casting anything else, it sometimes proc 20sec after i casted Beacon...

Kommentar von 320048

Resto shaman here; using HS totem and glyph for raid healing but haven't managed to get this yet, only just found it out O.o

Getting it anyway ofc but can it proc off the ticks from HS totem? Or Earthliving? Or Riptide? Hoping all three :P

Feed back would be great on this one

Kommentar von 480896

I saw this on a mage.

I cried.

Kommentar von 288196

I'd like to know when this procs for me. As of right now I can only tell by looking back through the combat log.
Is there a macro or option I can set up to do this?

Thanks.

Kommentar von markuseike

This one is IMBA and easy to get. its better to get this than use many hours to get Pandora's Plea

Kommentar von tamriilin

Does this even drop anymore? I've been to reg ToC5 76 times (yes, I have kept count!) and it has not dropped yet. The Black Heart (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=47216) has dropped pretty much every time, however.

Kommentar von Bsmx93

Procced from Fire Nova

Kommentar von 411647

Don't know if it's been posted, but it has a chance to proc when you cast "Levitate". x]

Kommentar von 500426

can a fel armor heal proc it?

Kommentar von Cross88

So tears of the vanquished are an epic healing trinket? I should have been collecting these from my teammates after every Warsong Gulch game I've played.

Kommentar von Ihmemies

THIS
IS
NOT

MAGE LOOT

Kommentar von thesandman87

Got it today gearing up my holy spec, i won a need roll agasint, a Tank Druid, 2 mages, and a shadow priest lol. Talk about compitition, but in the end the holy paladin won

Kommentar von 630737

Was reseting https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=15473#comments (armor was solid purple) and it proc'd.

Kommentar von Jija

This trinket has an internal cooldown of around 45 seconds.

500 mana every 45 seconds is equal to about 55MP5.

Still usable by Paladin and Discipline Priest, but easily replaced by superior ICC251/264 trinkets or emblem rewards.

No longer worth farming imho.

Kommentar von teknix

I didn't see anyone mention it yet, but yes, it does proc as a Shadow Priest. I was unsure as the wording says "cast a helpful spell" rather than something like "chance on spell hit", whether it would proc on the healing benefits gained in Shadow spec. It does, though obviously this is more beneficial for healing specs and there are many better trinkets for SPriests.

Kommentar von zharshoul

i used to have it in wotlk on my hunter... back when we had mana.. it procced off mend pet and a few others

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Anlegen: Jedes Mal, wenn Ihr einen hilfreichen Zauber wirkt, besteht eine Chance, dass Ihr 500 Mana erhaltet. (Procchance: 25%, 45s Abklingzeit)

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