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评论来自
205942
Who haven't dreamed about seeing a tauren in stealth?
Now we're one step closer to tauren rogues :D
评论来自
71031
Good move on Blizz's behalf of making your pets camo too, otherwise we would be seeing nothing but cats as pets.
评论来自
Hongi
Shame on the typo though... 'You camouflage,
cuasing
you' Regardless, I am looking forward to this ability, equally for the PvP application, the ability to skip mobs when soloing (without the risks of feign death) and of course the useage in stealth runs. And, of course, it will make you truly feel like a hunter :)
评论来自
skribs
20 second duration on a 5 minute cooldown....with the 3 second trigger it seems to me this will be useful for:
1) Arenas where you know what's going on better than the opponents and have time to setup but are able to react quickly (read: arenas where you would have probably won without it).
2) Times in world PvP where you start off with the better position (read: ganking).
3) Questing, when you find your target lies past just one more mob (read: too lazy to kill one mob)
4) During instances when you want to set up a trap...basically I have no idea on that one since you should only be trapping where you cleared already, otherwise the mob would pull adds, no sarcasm in this one.
It does not help when:
1) Trying to hide numbers in battlegrounds
2) Trying to sneak past hordes of enemies, which rogues and druids can do perfectly fine
3) Stalking my prey for more than 20 seconds like a REAL sniper would (hey, if they give us sniper training, they might as well make us snipers)
In all reality, this is just a gimicky tool to make advantagous positions even more geared in our favor, and does not do much to help us in problematic situations. Unless they give us an ACTUAL stealth, they should just give us a 5-minute cooldown that increases our next attack by 50%, because that seems to be all Camo will be. Use it, trap someone in PvP, break stealth, aimed shot, concussive shot, arcane/explosive X4, kill shot, laugh!
评论来自
ironballs16
Anyone know if the "your damage" is broken if someone say... sets off your Trap? Or is it only damage that either you, personally, or your pet does?
评论来自
JA64Flyers
The first thing that came to mind when i read about the "your damage" clause is, i wonder if flares and other non-damage abilities will break it. Or hunter's mark? or even wingclip now that it does no damage. Haha, i guess an offensive ability like that would cause you to leave stealth. (even though some of those skills get odd, like hunters mark causing the enemy to stand up while they're eating/drinking )
But the trap thing is a good question. I wonder.. O_o
评论来自
Bonafide
I think it's pretty safe to asume that anything that breaks shadowmeld also breaks camouflage, except for laying traps since that is specified in the tooltip.
评论来自
prinnygod
Now our devilsaurs will be able to stealth just like they do in the wild!
评论来自
197040
"but any damage done by you or your pet will cancel the effect"
I wonder, It says any damage DONE. Would that mean that the hunter would leave camouflage after the attack hits? Anyone in beta able to try it out? It makes me curious only because of the way the ability is worded.
Because with that +damage modifier it would make it awesome for a cast time opener like aimed shot.
评论来自
207930
Glad they finaly understood that hunters should be able to "stalk" their prey. And with the new Kill Shot, being available on targets with over 20% hp, not just below, i can only imagine the burst damage of a Kill Shot crit while stealthed... i sense a disturbance in the force - maybe a nerf to the Kill Shot
评论来自
nazumagal
I've been waiting for this all my life...Finally my favorite thing to on my favorite class to play! I get to sneak and kill stuff on my hunter!
评论来自
Jademalo
So.. Has this ability been removed or not?
If it has, then blizzard are really making a mistake as i think this is a perfect ability for hunters. Now, one question i have is that if a hunter pet goes into prowl as well as camo, does the pet get super duper ultra stealth?
评论来自
mewulf
I just checked and the spell is ingame :)
评论来自
11294
I would have loved to have this spell. It would have made us more like Rangers or Outrunners. An example is the
Ashenvale Outrunner
They have the ability
Ashenvale Outrunner Sneak
评论来自
266091
Add it to the survival tree. We can live without Explosive shot :P
评论来自
drame
am i really the only one seeing the REALLY big thing about this?
qouting here "providing stealth while stationary. "
2 words:
Tauren Rouges
ranged Rouges who can happen to have a 3+ meter tall animal by their sides :3
评论来自
617911
Ok, number one did you even read the posted ability? Did you read what it does? Even if we are in camouflage you can still SEE us moving around but we will look like the Predator and it can't be used in combat... so by the time we "sneak" up to you if you're too blind or dumb to figure out there's a hunter coming after you (Oh look a watery figure is coming up to me, I wanna touch it!), then you'll be able to use the same tactics you use (stealth and killing spree = annoying) to gank hunters even when they set a trap that freezes you and you mysteriously dispell any sleep effects or trapping abilities we have in the first place. It's not true stealth, we aren't invisible, it's like saying the Predator is invisible because he's not... you can still see the sucker when he moves.
Number two, hunters are not OP in PVP, yeah we shoot from a distance and can have devastating attacks... plus if we use SKILL and don't just target click and walk away for a bowl of cheerios while the melee part of the team takes all the hits we can kite players using a frost trap and try to take them out. Rogues are annoying in PVP, they stealth, come up and sap you, and can wail on you relentlessy and use Kidney Shot to refresh the stun, then you die... if that doesn't work they do that, then vanish for another stealth and every other class has to sit there watching and waiting for the stun duration to go away... it's annoying and seems OP but it's just a tactic and there are ways around it, JUST like there are many ways to kill a hunter.... in fact hunters have no chance at all if their enemies daze them in any way from afar so this gives us a chance to avoid stupid ranged attacks that cause dazing and make us stand there taking it in the butt. If you can't kill a hunter then why are you playing PVP? Because rogues can kill almost annoyingly OP and it gets really old walking into a PVP situation only to be stun spammed and annoyed by someone who can walk around you invisible and keep you stunned just to tick you off... no other reason to keep a player sapped but to waste their time.
Number three, why are you attacking hunters for being OP? Paladins can bubble, turn around, stun you and hit you WHILE you are stunned without breaking stun, then when the stun duration goes away the CD also goes away so sit back and watch yourself get raped while you get stun spammed because there's nothing you can do except button mash vanish and sprint or deterrance and disengage to TRY and get away from them... because you're just going to end up causing unnecessary damage to your keyboard to end up in the graveyard.
Giving hunters this ability is awesome, I love the Predator series and this is exactly like it! This gives hunters the chance to avoid unnecessary damage due to ranged spotting them and also give us something cool to play around with, some exploration of the ability will open up new reasons for liking this skill I am sure but for now it's just cool to have something that makes the enemy have to run up to the hunter in order to actually hit them.
~Lycantis
评论来自
spinnerdh
I hope that blizz makes a glyph of camouflage that does something like either extending the duration or reducing the cd of this ability, cuz popping out for 1 second only to pop back in is kind of pointless, it really is a major flaw to this ability.
评论来自
Triskel
Signature skill of
this guy
.
评论来自
652599
THis is a stealth-ish type thing for hunters and tauren can be hunters...tauren rogues
评论来自
Innuendo
Current effect allows the Hunter to remain Camouflaged as long as they take 0 damage. Trap Launcher essentially allows them to "sap" targets like a Rogue. Unfortunately, this is infinitely better than Stealth because ranged attacks can't break you, and Rogues can't detect Hunters who are Camouflaged before the Hunter detects them (Detect Hidden).
评论来自
Tzic
Works on those camels in Halls of Origination, also stays on during combat.
评论来自
imascorp00
So fill me in. My hunter is my main - always has always will. So if i remain stationary will I basically be a rogue? Then when I move I become more visitable?
评论来自
FateousMaximous
By hannibalektr today at 2 AM (Patch 4.0.3)
This was a great idea, and in beta it was awesome, just like World of Warcraft, an awesome game. Unfortunatley, it was nerfed too heavily and was quite a disappointment. Feels more like a gimmick than an actual ability as the CD is just too short.
You can't walk through mobs or dismiss pet or hearth, everything like that breaks it. If anything we should be able to do those things and hearth while camou'd. At least we could fish while camouflaged, right?
Rogues can't hearth or fish while in stealth, so why would you be able to do things that rogues can't do? As for the walking through mobs you're a ranged class why do you need to walk through anything, hell you can even shoot traps out at range while a rogue needs to be in melee range inorder to sap or attack.
评论来自
Hellstrong
No one noticed the strong refernce here? :O the visual effect is exactly like the stealthed
Hunters
in the "Predator" movies.
评论来自
derenault
Is the stealth portion of this affected by buffs that increase stealth, such as the cloak enchant?
评论来自
54537
So my first experience as a shadow priest against a hunter using this ability went like this: I see a hunter moving in camo, and I try to cast some spells on him. It doesn't work, which is when I realized he was using camo. I quickly think, "Oh, I'll AOE him out of that... Wait, I don't have any area targetable AOE like blizzard." So by then the hunter sees me about 15 yards away, and stops and disappears. So I run up to where he was, and I get close enough to see him. I do the first thing I can think of, and stab him with my dagger! LoL. 15 seconds later there is one dead hunter.
I'm sure everyone, including hunters, will get more used to this ablity as time goes on. Right now it's pretty new, and people are still figuring out how to use it best.
评论来自
105584
Last only 1 min wtf? weird..
评论来自
childofnewlight
One minute cooldown and one minute duration. Sounds about right. If you want a class that can stay stealthed indefinitely roll a feral druid or a rogue. Is it a bit gimmicky? Sure it is. Its suppose to be. It has some useful applications but is by no means meant to redefine the hunter class. 1 minute means this can be used every pull or so or a reasonable amount of time in PvP. Its meant to be a useful tool, but not one that turns the hunter into a ranged rogue. That would be ridiculously overpowered. Hunters have enough PvP utility as it is:
a trap that incapacitates
a trap that snares a large area
a spammable snare
another spammable snare
a bubble-like ability
a disorient ability
skill that clears you as a target and resets pets
blink-like ability
spammable mortal strike
This isn't even touching talented skills like wyrven sting or intimidation. As a hunter, I'm happy to have this skill at all, even happier its only 1 minute downtime, and elated it can last up to one minute.
评论来自
721913
I attempted to
Pounce
a camo'd hunter in a BG and I received an error about not being able to attack an obscured target.
The camo tooltip
tells me this should only affect ranged attacks, but it broke my melee attack as well. I had to just sit there spamming pounce until he reacted to my presence and broke his camo.
评论来自
Locruid
Any Attack beyond melee range is considered a ranged attack. Pounce has a 5 yrd range. Cheap Shot does too. And they are both considered "attack" moves.
评论来自
hannibalektr
One minute cooldown and one minute duration. Sounds about right. If you want a class that can stay stealthed indefinitely roll a feral druid or a rogue. Is it a bit gimmicky? Sure it is. Its suppose to be. It has some useful applications but is by no means meant to redefine the hunter class. 1 minute means this can be used every pull or so or a reasonable amount of time in PvP. Its meant to be a useful tool, but not one that turns the hunter into a ranged rogue. That would be ridiculously overpowered. Hunters have enough PvP utility as it is:
■a trap that incapacitates
■a trap that snares a large area
■a spammable snare
■another spammable snare
■a bubble-like ability
■a disorient ability
■skill that clears you as a target and resets pets
■blink-like ability
■spammable mortal strike
This isn't even touching talented skills like wyrven sting or intimidation. As a hunter, I'm happy to have this skill at all, even happier its only 1 minute downtime, and elated it can last up to one minute.
Hmmm, I'm glad you are still having fun with your hunter in PVP. Many others completely disagree with you. I have no idea wtf you are talking about in half those abilities, because we have no bubble, we have (wait a few seconds, resume melee), we have Frost trap where every class can peddle all over it or slow us as much as we slow them. We have a 4 second disorient, big whopper when all others are chain CC, chain slow, chain stuns us. My pet does not reset after FD. Blink ability?what are you talking about? disengage doesnt wipe everything off and they can see exactly where you go, not even close! Spammable mortal strike? Are you talking about Widow venom? it's completely useless. Healers laf.
Here is a thread from hunters that actually PVP and are sick and tired of all the disadvantages we have compared to other classes. When they nerfed BM from18 seconds to 10, then took away unstunnable and slowed our steady/cobra to 2 seconds, we were done.
On top of all this, rogues, DK's, warriors, locks all have heals. Not small heals, but BIG heals. Also, most healing classes can do as much DPS as hunters can, it's no contest when heals can out dps you in a fight.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1648728472?page=1
评论来自
632461
Everything you would ever want to know about this ability:
-Works on you & your pet.
-Can't be used while in combat, but feigning to drop combat & then casting camo immediately works.
-While standing still, you are stealthed, meaning no one outside your party can see you until they're very close.
-While moving you are, well, camouflaged. People can see you but can't attack you with anything except melee attacks.
-Stealthers can't use any of their stealth-only abilities on you; they have to pop out of stealth to attack you.
-Any damage taken by you, including AOE abilities like Flamestrike, Frost Nova, etc, breaks your camouflage.
-Your pet taking damage, but not you, does NOT break your camouflage.
-Camo is broken when arena games start; you have to use camo AFTER the gates open.
-Laying traps, swapping aspects, using mend pet, reviving your pet, using pet abilities (not attacks), & eating food do NOT break camo.
-Using any attack, dismissing pets & calling new pets DOES break camo.
-Sending your pet to attack breaks camo immediately, even before your pet engages.
Basically, this is an upgraded version of stealth with a 1-minute cooldown. In PvE, you can use it to get into position before the fight and start DPS as soon as the tank pulls. In PvP, you can use it to start off any fight any way you want. Because rogues & ferals can't use any openers on you, you no longer need to camp flare @ the start of an arena match; you can use the flare offensively to try and knock them out while you waltz over to the other team's healer, unable to be attacked until you open.
I think this is a really underrated ability. While it's not something you can use all the time, and it definitely doesn't make hunters a stealth class, you can still use it to get a unique advantage over other players. Plus it means you don't have to go night elf to be invisible, which is sweet, because night elves suck.
Edit:
AND OF COURSE, THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION EVERYONE WAS WONDERING:
Casting Aimed Shot doesn't break camo.
Yeah, that means you can get off an aimed, use rapid fire, and start charging up your next one, all from stealth.
Edit2: As of 4.1, stealthers can use their openers on you while camo'd. I'm disappointed with the change. That was one of the things that made Camo unique.]
评论来自
zenfyre
"That doesn't make sense. All abilities called "melee range" have a 5 yard range, and you can use all of them on camouflaged hunters, except cheap shot/garrote/ambush."
It's funny that you say except cheap shot, garrote, and ambush, because that is all the openers and they all have "melee range" as their descriptors. I also have a comprehensive list as to what skill does not work to break a hunter out of camoflage for a rogue.
Skills that do not break hunter out of camoflage with a "Melee Range" descriptor:
Cheap Shot
Ambush
Garrote
Sinister Strike
Backstab
Gouge
Shiv
Kick
Expose Armor
Rupture
Eviscerate
Dismantle
Feint
Skills that DO break hunter out of camoflage with a "Melee Range" Descriptor:
Hemorrhage
Mutilate
If you rolled combat as a rogue expect hunters to always get the opener on you is all I can tell you.
评论来自
769521
Query, if you're under Camouflage and you set a trap or two, are your traps also camou-ed like you and your pet? Or are they still visible by the opposite faction?
评论来自
775887
Spirit Mend
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=90361
will also not break Camouflage.
评论来自
Lhakil
This is the closest a Tauren will probably ever get to being a rogue.
评论来自
sean2358
Note: Situationally more useful than true stealth effects for sneaking through content. Case in point: in heroic Blackrock Caverns, unitl Corla is defeated, the Raz event that clears the bridge full of Evolved trash leading up to Karsh Steelbender will not trigger. These adds have a stealth detection buff that prevents mages/rogues/druids from skipping them anyways. However, since when in motion Camo is not stealth but rather an aggro radius reduction buff, it is possible to use it to bypass the adds (I usually run along the railing to one side of the bridge) and the teleporter to the instance entrance triggers by entering Karsh's room, rather than through Corla's death. Furthermore, once Karsh is defeated, the Raz event at the final boss triggers even with Corla and Beauty still both alive.
SImply, we don't get stealth, instead we get something that can let us sneak by adds that cannot be stealthed past.
评论来自
Ellesica
A useless but neat thing I noticed with camo is that, if you receive the
灵魂分裂:坏蛋!
debuff from
超级安全传送器:托什雷的基地
and use Camouflage, your character will become nearly invisible!
I'm looking at my hunter right now, and can barely see him. Making out individual details is impossible.
Granted, it wouldn't provide any PvP advantage unless maybe some silly player had enemy name tags off, AND you dismissed your pet, but still. I thought it was neat. I wonder if this occurs with other tints as well?
评论来自
817660
Anyone know if Disengage breaks this?
评论来自
rebellion991
*robotic voice* Cloak Engaged!
评论来自
RaXoR246
All that matters is: Camouflage + Leyara's Locket = Tyrael ...ish.
评论来自
childofnewlight
If there is any balance for hunters somewhere in pvp I do not see it, bring me somebody who actually has played one for 6 years and not somebody who just goes off bad analysis of a class, or says "read the tool tips". Obviously you didn't read the link the person above and below you posted, so...read the links!
I yield to your wisdom. I have only leveled multiple to max level, but I have only been playing a hunter since early Burning Crusade. Obviously, I didn't know what I was talking about. Forget the thousands upon thousands upon thousands of PvP kills I have. I really should have known better than to question your expertise.
Sarcasm aside, obviously, your argument boils down to this:
Class
X
has this skill which is
"better"
so hunters have no PvP utility.
If I sat here listing off all of the neat skills every other class had that mine didn't I could make the argument that I have no PvP utility. My Death Knight would LOVE blink. My Holy Paladin could really use evocation. My Fury Warrior would drool for Vanish. And my mage needs Lay on Hands.
Thankfully, Blizzard in their wisdom does not give every class every skill. Its called diversity, and, it makes you carefully choose your race, class, and talents. Some classes will be weak against others, and some classes will be strong against others.
Hunters are not a god-class, contrary to the average huntard's beliefs.
评论来自
285349
If you see a hunter using camouflage in arena/bg/world pvp and he doesn't go out of stealth, just wait untill he stops running and do a aoe spell, it breaks their stealth.
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1分钟 冷却
需要 猎人
需要等级 85
使你进行伪装,与你的宠物一起遁入周围的环境中,不能成为敌人远程攻击的目标,并使敌人能够发现你的距离缩短,且在静止时处于潜行状态。
你可以在伪装状态下布置陷阱,但如果你或者你的宠物对敌人造成伤害,都会取消潜行效果。无法在战斗中使用。效果持续1 min。
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(自身)
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