评论来自 greengoo

This no longer drops from the Maker. Instead, he drops Libram of Saints Departed, (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=24386).

评论来自 36705

I'm a bit confused. It says this lvl 70 relic drops off a 62 boss.

评论来自 103539

Although true "most paladin want burst damage" not all do. Its known fact that SoB out performs SoC...period. The fact that SoB procs on every swing and can crit makes it a beast w/ proper gear. This libram is the best in game for SoB Retadins (aka Raiding / PvE Pallies). Once I get full Gladiator Scaled Set(only need chest belt and bracers), Vindicator Rings and Neck plus https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=29383 and https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=34578 while using https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28300 I suspect i'll be doing more dps then SoC Pallies.......I hope anyway.

评论来自 121319

so I got a question... can you have the libram of zeal equipped, judge crusade and then switch to this libram? will your judgement of crusade maintain the extra holy dmg?

评论来自 124623

I got this libram a while back. It is true that it procs when u judgent ANY seal, not just the ones it specifies. Secondly, the proc from this is not a "Chance", so it will always proc. Its the best Ret pally libram hands down. Even better than Libram of Divine Judgement from badges.

评论来自 Kanonji

With the release of Wrath of the Lich King, any paladin will be able to upgrade it at level 71 or 72 with https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=37574 for more crit rating.

评论来自 145255

Avengement? Is that like management for the mob? Who comes up with some of those names anyway?

Whack em.

评论来自 davenrothz

Wasn't this libram nerfed in a patch recently?

评论来自 thecrius

Anyone have news about this libram's proc with the new "Seal of the Martyr"?

评论来自 33678

The Libram of Furious Blows is a direct upgrade to this libram. Not only is it an upgrade, but it is also available at level 69 as opposed to 70. Sure it's green instead of blue, but it does have 8 more Critical Strike Rating. It's available as a quest reward from the escort mission, Get Me Outa Here!, located in the Borean Tundra.

评论来自 162742

As of Cataclysm, all Strength relics are now equippable by Paladins... AND DKS!

I finally can replace Sigil of the Dark Rider on my way to 80! Was really tired of using that for so long... XD

评论来自 Allakhazam

Can someone school me on this? is it Heroic or Normal or both it drops i see %'s for both but sometimes find that isnt' always true. can someone clarify this for me?

评论来自 Allakhazam

nice

评论来自 Allakhazam

It's level 70 from 62-65 instance, so the drop is most likely Heroic only.

评论来自 Allakhazam

from PTR patch notes:

Libram of Avengement: The tooltip for this item now specifies it only works with the damaging Judgements (Command, Righteousness, Vengeance, Blood).

http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=libramtc3.jpg

评论来自 Allakhazam

I got it in my first run in Heroic Blood Furnace as single drop from The Maker (along with the Badge of Justice of course).

I'm Retribution and this works like a dream. Once you cast a judgement it procs "Justice", a 5 seconds extra 2.5% or 2.6% (can't remember now) to Melee and Spell criticals, making the regular combo 'JoCrus + CruStrike + Hammer of Justice + JoCom + CruStrike' a guaranteed 5000+ damage. Put the angel wings in action and it's a dead target mostly.

评论来自 Thottbot

Drops from The Maker in Blood Furnace Heroic mode.

评论来自 Thottbot

asuming crit is 22.1 rting/%...

评论来自 Thottbot

I guess this must be the best PvP Libram there is in game so far. I personally don't see the real strength of the epic Arena Libram but I must be missing something, I mean surely the EPIC Libram that's gained via the ultimate PvP experience the ARENA must be better for PvP. Can any1 tell me if I'm right or not pls?

评论来自 Thottbot

how is something you do once every 10 seconds most of your dps, CRITTING is how Ret pallies do dmg, your non-crit crus strikes will be a joke in comparison to your crit ones. Spell dmg coeff. is increased and you PROC VENGEANCE genius. Vengeance = up to 15% to all dmg increase post-patch..pretty sure THIS OWNS THE CS LIBRAM. And believe me, I've had both. That CS libram barely makes a diff. it's a joke, much like the consecration one.

And to the poster above, your calculations are nice, but with chances and procs you can't mathematically see the increase with the libram if you leave out crits...this is the best RET libram, that's who it's made for. The reason this is made for ret is not just cause it crits but crits = pain and vengeance procs...vengeance procs are how retadins do dmg. And even without vengeance, crits are how shockadins do ridiculous dmg. If you're a retadin or shockadin with high crit, you're judging every 8 secs anywyas and getting the crit increase, therefore keeping vengeance proc and increasing your dmg by 15% more often which also affects your calculations. This is the better of the librams, esp. with all the +dmg to crusader judgement you can get. This crit is a godsent, esp. if you're well geared, sometimes giving you nearly guaranteed crits when you need them to get vengeance back up there or crit a hammer of wrath or sometihng of the sort. Also constantly keeping vengeance up is a surefire way to up your dps by 15% considering that's flat out what it does. And that's not even counting the fact that you can judge in another 8 secs and get another increase. If you judge, crit, and never crit again for 15 seconds, that dmg will be 15% hihgher anyways therefore improving your dps during that time. However the way it actually works, you judge every 8 seconds and anytime you crit, you keep vengeance up and this only helps you crit more often.

评论来自 Thottbot

/agree with the above poster

As a retribution paladin, my Judgement has an 8 second cooldown. So for PvE work (Hey, it happens sometimes!) I can have +53 Crit rating on 5/8 of the time.

For PvP work, I'd say that's even more crit, as I find that usually by the time I catch up to those damned clothies, my Judgement's up again. But even leaving it at over half the time having +53 Crit rating...

/drool
Time to get keyed for heroic BF.

评论来自 Thottbot

any idea on the proc rate? percentage please..

评论来自 Thottbot

I think this libram is the best offensive libram you could find. Crusader strike libram is okay, but what a real dmging ret pally or shock pally needs is a bunch of crit.

Ret palaldins gain a huge benefit to their JoC from this relic as well as their SoC. It obviously helps their auto-attacks and their Crusader Strike. It helps keep vengeance up also.

Shock types need as much spell crit as possible to JoR and Holy Shock their opponents. It's also useful for heals if it indeed increases their spell crit and physical crit at once.

Pallyes make up for SOME lack of white dmg with incredibly dmg'ing crits and holy damage so why not bolster their prowess even more with this relic? ^.^

评论来自 Thottbot

Libram of Avengement: The tooltip for this item now specifies it only works with the damaging Judgements (Command, Righteousness, Vengeance, Blood).

http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=libramtc3.jpg

评论来自 Thottbot

17 Maker kills and no Libram for my friends Ret Pally

评论来自 Thottbot

Best ret libram in the game so far.

Tell that rogue up there to stop trying to calculate pally dps.

This will be mine....wootz

评论来自 Thottbot

As far as I am concerned, being in good standing in the retribution paladin community (my Holyhats is ret), this discussion is moot as retribution paladins will have a great deal of trouble getting enough groups for shattered halls to get revered with honor hold, and furthermore will have even greater troubles getting into any heroic if not with friends.

Otherwise, petition for a ret libram from arena.

评论来自 Thottbot

Ok I'm a ret paladin and love it. I've tried the zeal and cs librams with damage meters and this is BY FAR the best.
(53/22.1)=2.4
Multiply that by 5/8 (the 53 crit rating is a 5 sec buff, 8 sec judgements)
you get 1.5% crit from this baby

Now I'm going to lay out hypothetical situations for the three librams:
Avengement: gives you an extra 1.5% constant crit rating, enabling you to effectively refresh vengeance 1,5% more of the time, ideally keeping it trip-stacked constantly. In a fight where your tank has time to get agro, such as curator, i drop by far the most dps during evocates. I run in a group with leader of the pack and windfury and thus far the only cap to my dps has been the threat meter.
Zeal=~26 extra dmg from crusader strikes, and full benefit from judgements and consecration (excorcism and wrath in kara).
CS: cs should make up roughly 20% of your damage depending on your spell damage. As of 2.3 I'm going to put on an extra 100 spell damage, and the reduced cooldown should lower our dependancy on +hit and ap slightly. With 1500 AP and 22% crit I'll gime ~100 AP and 1% crit to throw on an extra 100 spelldamage, i'll test it all out in kara or gruul's. But the slight extra damage from this libram is worthless. The holy damage bonus of zeal increases your crusader strike by ~25. Vendor it

评论来自 Thottbot

I was playing around with my dps gear outside Kara with this libram, and it seems to be refreshing the buff every time I hit with a melee attack, whereas it used to just appear when I judged, and went away after 5 seconds.

Since my last check, every melee attack refreshed the 5 second duration. Has anyone else seen this?

评论来自 Thottbot

Yes, I just noticed this... I tried re-reading patch notes to see if there was any changes made to this item, but there were none listed. The tooltip on the item itself hasn't changed as well... it now procs when judging AND it refreshs on every melee attack. I wish this isn't a bug, 'cause this item is now kickass!

评论来自 Thottbot

The problem with this libram is that it is located in Heroic BF. Not a whole lot of groups are willing to take a retadin into a heroic unless they are desperate, guildie, or they are nice. But once in awhile there will be some groups.

Edit: BTW, Heroics are now ok if your Honored.

评论来自 Thottbot

blah blah blah this is better blah blah blah no its not blah blah blah! omg... shut up...

if they want it they want it... let them suck if they don't have it

评论来自 Thottbot

Man, trying to get this for my BE ret pally for pve usage.

评论来自 Thottbot

it procs on every judgement even a refreshed judgement with a sword it, put crusader if you are ret, each strike will refresh the 5seconds, so its a 2.4%crit for the entire fight

best libram for ret pally

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