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Comment by Shockna

Killing Thrall actually isn't all that difficult on some Servers.

For example, Malygos-US, where the Horde is outnumbered almost 4:1 (Well, it certainly looks like i, anyway), a Thrall kill could be done by any guild(s) willing to field the people. Hell, 40 would be good as long as you're skilled and coordinated.

On other servers, like Arthas, Tichondrius or Illidan, on the other hand, Thrall would be very difficult to kill, probably taking several hundred to pull off.

Comment by 193709

This should help with https://www.wowhead.com/cata/achievement=1006 .

Comment by Gridinius

We took down all alliance city leaders except 1 in a single night with only 25 in the raid. Just form it like a raid. Have some people kill/tank/heal the leader and some good pvpers keeping alliance at bay.

Comment by TheCreed

The thing i like with this is that Blizz has listened to the ppl saying TBC killed world pvp, we'll finally have these epic raids in the Major Cities, or at least more often ;)

Comment by 39966

Does anybody know if achievement will count if you kill Thrall while he's visiting Mag'har?

Comment by 56470

Killed just now.
Genjuros server 40 man raid.

Comment by 87561

I find these achivements quite annoying.Blizzard tries to make more world pvp but to get this achievement work u need a PvE set up and gear.

If u ask me Blizz thinks PvE>PvP

Comment by Anarchy

How could anyone want to kill thrall?
He's a nice guy.

Comment by 254266

anyone have some tactics, cause i tried and i failed cause to many hordies, maybe help me with the hour, or anything pls, thx

Comment by TheDayOfDoom

How come the allies don't need to kill Vol'Jin? He's a boss in Orgrimmar too o.O

Comment by 268629

Just killed Thrall and you need to be in the raid that tags him to get credit and the achievement

Comment by 203746

Good luck on this.

If the Horde don't kill ya, the lag will. It may seem like raid vs Thrall, but as soon as you enter, there will be close to 200 or so mobs in there, a mixture of Alliance raid, guards, Thrall, Zul'Jin, misc. mobs like trainers, 80 Horde and lowbies. You WILL lag to at least 2k latency. =|

And no, it wasn't a coincidence, we tried 3 times and lagged upon touching Thrall...cause by the time we did, 50 or so Horde came back and decided to have a party with us again. There's no winning =P We DID get him down to 40% one attempt, so he's VERY possible (we were a PuG)....just not easy.

Comment by 221517

yea the alliance just got us on kargath server this is the first time ever since the game came out so i think thats bull and they did it when most of our lv 80s were raiding lol

Comment by Ibbi

I'm not sure if anyone had to deal with this, but Horde Death Knights can use their ability Mark of Blood to heal Thrall back to full health while Alliance are trying to bring him down. I'm sure this isn't intended by Blizzard for that to work.

Comment by 31497

16/12-08 Bugged and un-achiveable at EU-Frostmane, any server with same problem?

Comment by 209822

I pretty peeveed at how hard it is now to get a grp evry1 has got a bear and all i need is thrall but so many people dont want to go cus they gonna get killed. Vol'jin wipes u rly easy unless ur tank is any good.the lag kills u its not funny anymore.

Comment by 332941

I raided Thrall 6 times over 3 days. And then we finalyl killed him. There were literaly only 5 horde. We kept the troll back and took care of Thrall and even had time for the troll. We made it with 3 healers and druids using tranq.

And off the subject we danced on Thrall's corpse as an after party.

Comment by 346648

Yes. Why don't you kill The Human King and sit on him? circle of Warcraft =D

Comment by 314242

its like the old saying goes, if ya can't take the lag, get a better computer

Comment by 203746

Downed him a few days ago.

-Was pugged
-3 AM on day after 3.1 patch day (wednesday)
-Might have been during WG but not sure

We succeeded most definitely because we did it at 3 AM, especially 3 AM on a weekday. So if you want his big fat smelly orc head, you might have to pull an allnighter on a day where you dont work the next day and get some friends. It's hard to get a group but if you can pull it off, it's much easier. We had almost no horde resistance, and the only real problems we had were Zul'jin hexxing the crap out of us.

Comment by Syrio

To have some fun on the horde side, enter this into your chat box

/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Shift-click this to place a link into a chat message: \124cffffff00\124Hachievement:610:"..strsub(UnitGUID("player"),3)..":1:4:25:9:0:0:0:0\124h\124h\124r");

It will say you kill the thrall if you link it into chat :D

Comment by 321372

Thrall was one of the easiest for us to down. Luckily on our server we're Alliance heavy and only 7 or so PVPers decided to even attempt to step in and they were quickly dealt with. We took the side Orgrimmar entrance, ran all the way to just outside his council room, killed all the guards that followed us, then went in and just beat him down. Vol'jin's not worth it, since he's just as big as Thrall and doesn't count for the achievement (silly, but whatever). After we downed him, we all let Vol'jin wipe us and rezzed in Razor Hill for our run to TB.

Comment by 311145

HAHAH alliance, good luck))))

Comment by harimuha

Its unfair that Blizz made backdoors to Orgrimmar.Allys tell its a strategy to go through that entrance but its not.U got to fight through Stormwind ,and in Orgrimmar u just mount up and run like 200 yards till Thrall.SO the basic ally strategy here,as far as i know is "Run,kill,run".

Comment by 358417

If by "determined to achieve peace" you mean "does jack all while his people attack the Alliance willy-nilly" then sure.

Comment by 358417

Read the books dude, the humans enslaved the orcs and forced them to fight in arena's and such, alot of them were just left in a camp to rot. Thrall just wanted a better life for his people...

I don't think that "giving them a better life" means "let them run around and do whatever they want up to and including murder"

And Thrall is the only Orc who was "enslaved." The rest of the Orcs were imprisoned. And considering why they were imprisoned I don't think that they're in any position to be complaining about jailtime.

Comment by 467538

Thrall was the hardest horde boss to kill; Mostly because most hordes go there than any other city and because of the troll race boss being in the same room.

List of hardest to easiest horde bosses:

1. Thrall

2. Sylvannas Windrunner

3. Cairne Bloodhoof

4. Lor'themar Theron

( I suggest raiding on weekends at night so u can stay up late and most people are asleep by then. )

But I'ma fan of Thrall and Sylvannas honestly. Their history is so interesting. :)

Comment by 439282

So you and your raid want to kill Thrall right? Want to know how to do it? Read below :)

First off Thrall is in the Grommash Hold in Orgrimmar here is the best route to get to him. Make sure when taking this route you don't fall off the narrow edge by the Hall of Legends/the corner turn by the Valley of Strength.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h142/wintersgirl0505/WoW/KillingThrall.jpg

Here are the NPC's (over 10,000 health) you will/may encounter along this route to Thrall:

•Orgrimmar Grunt (LVL 75) (Health: 16,402) (These NPC's are the guards of the city you will come across many of them during your raid.)

•Scout Manslayer (LVL 80 Elite) (Health: 51,600) (She roams from the back entrance down into the Valley of Strength)

Where these NPCs are located coming into they city by means of the back entrance:
You have your stationary guards/npc's (S) & roaming guards/npc's (R).

•Scout Manslayer (LVL 80 ELITE) roams wide area (R)

•2 Orgrimmar Grunts at front of back entrance bridge (S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt on the bridge (R)

•4 Orgrimmar Grunts at end of bridge and in doorway to city (S)

•2 Orgrimmar Grunts by the 1st bonfire on the left that you happen upon (S)

•2 Orgrimmar Grunts by 3rd bonfire on the right after Skyfury Staves (S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt roams from back entrance doorway to the Hall of Legends (R)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt near front the Hall of Legends (S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunts on side of the Hall of Legends by rope bridge to Flight Tower (S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt diagonally across from the Orgrimmar Grunt by the rope bridge(S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt by 4th bonfire on left near Stranglethorn Imported Fruits (S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt on left by 5th bonfire by Grommash Hold/Thrall's Fortress (S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt roams from flight path bridge to Grommash Hold (R)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt Roams from Grommash Hold off into the Drag (R)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt roams from inside the Drag to near 5th bonfire/Grommash Hold (R)

What to expect in Grommash Hold aka Thrall's Fortress!
Only NPC's over 10,000 health listed.

•Thrall (Health: 5578K) (This is the dude you want to kill.)

•Vol'jin (Health 5578K) (This guy poly morphs people so watch out.)

•Kor'kron Elite (Health: 25,200) (These are Thrall's personal guards and are elites.)

Where you will encounter these NPC's in Grommash Hold/Thrall's Fortress.

•There are 4 Kor'kron Elites at the main entrance of Grommash Hold. (S)

•There are 2-3 Korkron Elites at the first doorway once inside. (One roams.)

•In the room that Thrall is in there are 18 Korkron Elites and Vol'jin.

Now how's the best way to go about killing Thrall? The best AoE (Area of Effect) people need to AoE down the Kor'kron Elites then focus on killing Thrall, make sure Thrall is taking the max amount of damage possible. If you have any people who can silencing Vol'jin would prove to be useful.

Hope this helps in getting you a Black War Bear!
Tazia (REXXAR)

Comment by 620394

I just couldn't do this.. I'm an Alliance player but Thrall is such a nice guy my heart would break if I would even attack him, I feel a bit like that for Cairne as well, I wouldn't feel bad for killing the other Racial leaders of the Horde, in fact I'd feel proud.

Comment by 582957

what i liked to do before change

big alliance raid

cast bok on everyone in the throne room, heal thrall between raids, pick off healers and allies that dont really expect pvp

?

profit

Comment by 562880

OH MY GOD.... im so happy, in cata we dont have to kill the awesomeness that is thrall (yes, im mainly alliance, but he just is that awesome)

Comment by Ignjatwolf

I think Garrosh is going to be farmed since noone really likes him as a lore character.

Comment by 695502

People are willing to do anything for a fancy bear aperantly. Oh well, atleast Garrosh isn't as likeable as Thrall, so that is a pluss with the Cata change.

Comment by wagg1

mmm how do the alliance get this now as for thrall is in outlands now and Garrosh Hellscream is not pvp flaged and only has low HP for a boss
(well this is true as of writing this)

Comment by 513548

So now alliance has to kill Garrosh, who has 700k hp, damn they always give it easy to you.

Comment by 259313

The building Garrosh will be holed up in in new Orgrimmar is right next to the bank, auction house, and other frequented spots, so assuming all of the Horde in the city actually care about protecting him, killing him will generally prove to be a far more difficult task then killing Thrall was.

Comment by 671299

Have tried this ach two times in a row... How are the allies suppose to get Thrall? Are we not able to get it now but the Hordes can get theirs? That's not too fair is it?

Comment by nintendorichard

This is one achievement I'll definitely be getting.

Also, does the achievement for killing Thrall get turned into a Feat of Strength, or is it just removed?

Comment by Igniz

Think anybody can kill Garrosh now? 103M HP, same advisors as before, and basically in the center of all Horde player activity. Difficult much?

Comment by Flitzy

This achievement should be required for everyone - Horde and Alliance.

Die, Garrosh, Die. :3

Comment by 407078

Has anyone killed Garrosh since Cata dropped?

Comment by 786993

on my sever they tried to down him but they barely got him down to 90% too many horde came in with Gamon and it wasn't a pretty site to watch if your alliance that is.

Comment by kehwar23

if you get a tank, a ranged dps and a healer on the horde maybe you could get some help from Shandris Feathermoon

Comment by SimonEddie

seems a little far fetched to get him to the otherside of kalimdor, dont think it would help too much. we tried this ach today and i can say that it is not possible to do when it is in the middle of the day, horde ganked us.

Comment by onad

Been scouring the internets, but no word yet on whether anyone has been able to kill Garrosh post cata. Anybody know?

Comment by LordDeath

Finally managed to down Garrosh on Sunday. It was truly epic... but be prepared for the following:

Lag – Be sure to change the settings on your graphics to LOW!
Glitches – Unfortunately at this point, if you go in with two or more raid groups (overwhelming force is always good to have), only one raid group will get the achievement. Hopefully Blizzard will fix this soon.
Crashes – Although many people got disconnected during the battle, the high point was when the entire server went down. Luckily this did not happen until we were trying to down Sylvanas.

Hope this helps, happy raiding!

Comment by myt362450

Just had a great experience on Draenor Realm. Logged on alliance to see invites going out for hellscream so camped Og on my horde to watch the show. Alliance got slaughtered to much horde cheering who then decided to make a raid for the king of SW in a revenge attack with much whooping and hollering, so logged my ally to watch the return show. Mean while, alliance had re-grouped in SW and were now in the process of forming two raids for hellscream as one raid wasn't enough fire power, the horde attack came just as the raid groups were full and spectacularly got absolutely ganked..even though some alliance kept spamming "where is the King of SW" in trade. Over confident alliance immediately set of for Og so re-logged my horde which was still next to hellscream and watched two full alliance raid groups get slaughtered before they even got inside the building. Horde then deciding reprisals for this intrusion where required and began forming another assault on said holy land. I decided i had seen enough bloodshed for one night and logged out, but im sure the tit for tat battles were ragging well into the wee small hours.

Hellscream is a @#$%^ at any time but to try him at peak times is insane! It sure is fun to watch them try though.

Comment by Chummy62

My experience was epic, but did not result in a Garrosh kill. We had over 300 people in multiple Raid Groups attack Orgrimmar last night. Unfortunately for us, we crashed the server for Shadowmoon and did not complete this achievement. Had Garrosh to 27% and then everyone on Alliance died. It appeared that severe server lag prevented us from healing or resurrecting. Some have a different opinion and believe a Horde aligned GM was buffing defenders. Once the server came back up, Gorrosh had reset and the Horde had filled Garrosh's chamber with hundreds of people now alerted and ready to defend preventing any further attempts to down him. I can't wait for us to try this again.

Comment by andrewg

Got Hellscream on Grizzly Hills server between 1am and 1:30am server time with only a single raid group of 40 people. The best part was we attacked orgrimmar after downing the other 3 leaders. btw, is there any way to find out how many kills have been made on Hellscream since cata launched(for a specific server)?

Comment by 767692

Tried this sooo many times on my server..But seems no luck there's alot of hordes on my relam soo It's very hard to even get a hit a Garrosh and there's so much lag it's unbelievable

Comment by Thecanman

The Alliance most deserving of getting this achievement are likely the ones on my server. While Alliance outnumber Horde 1.2 to 1, the number of Horde in the area at any given time remains more-or-less the same everyday, and while lore-wise Garrosh is a bastard, they are eager to come to his defense. Crowd control the healers, the tank drops real fast, and the rest of the party is helpless. I don't think they've ever killed him yet.

At least in their efforts they've helped us get City Defender.

Comment by Jollygood

The Mists of Pandaria interviews and articles indicated that Garrosh is now the subject of a MoP raid coming up. This raid will be available to Horde and Alliance, indicating what an incredible jerk Garrosh is, even to the Horde-centric Blizzard developers.

Comment by Glink

Kind of an unfair fight for the Alliance, Garrosh's building is right in the middle of the Horde's equivalent of trade district so its right where everyone is and the Horde can easily defend.

However, Varian is off in the keep far away from trade district and even dwarven.

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