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Comment by 437270

"Something is beating the crap out of me, but I don't know what!"

I wonder if this will proc when I use Shadowmeld and attack... If it does then I'll be able to be invisible and do damage for 12 seconds. Open with Stealth, Shadowmeld, Vanish, second Vanish, but I doubt that blowing 5 min. CD would be worth it... But still would be funny...

Comment by Toldry

It's going to be incredibly fun attacking things and finishing them off before the 3 seconds run out.

Comment by 914661

You can ambush and cheap shot at once during this 3 seconds. Though energy regeration is not fast enough to do ambush, garrote and cheap shot at once, but with haste the situation may change.

Comment by Abura

Fun with Glyph of Disguise on beta: If you have this talent you can actually initiate the fight, spam your Pick-pocket button and you will copy their appearance. This will last 5 minutes as normal. You still cannot mount and it will also fall off when initiating a new fight, but you can redo the same trick.

It will of course only work on mobs that actually "have pockets" and can thus be pick-pocketed.

Note: This is currently working on the MoP Beta, cannot say if it will be fixed but tbh, it's working as intended.

Comment by Minnophous

In PvE solo, the mob simply attacks you as normal when you break stealth initially as though you didn't have this talent.

Comment by 1026281

PvE: The mob will see you as soon as you attack. Mobs close-by won't until your stealth breaks.

PvP: Players won't see you... they usually just keep walking forward, so make sure to get real close to open, or do a cheap shot if they're on a mount.

UPDATE: This talent is awesome in PvP when opponents are bunched up together. It's possible to do three cheap shots on three different players before stealth breaks. Combined with Prey on the Weak/Nerve Strike and this will really help out your teammates.

Some non-hostile actions will break stealth, like potions (it would be too powerful to pre-pot).

Summoning your mount, using your heartstone, surveying (archeology), and certain consumables won't break stealth.

This talent makes Vanish and Preparation even more potent.

Comment by Devilknightman

(old comment, unsure if this talent is still only good for sub in pve)

Regarding PvE Dps:

Subterfurge wins by a minor margin against Shadow Focus for Subtely, as you can refresh your 70% armor debuff at the end of the 3 seconds. But then again, its just a really minor dps increase. For all the others, there is Shadow Focus ®

Comment by Jazzehness

This talent causes me to unstealth for no good reason after a while. I use it to attack stealthily, use vanish to remain hidden, and have no problems whatsoever until it decides it just wants to knock me out of stealth. No, I hadn't attacked for a few minutes, nor had I used any pots or food or any kind of items for that matter. This fact completely turned me away from keeping this talent around.

EDIT: I think I figured out why this happens. The CD for Vanish is two minutes, and if I'm not mistaken the Subterfuge buff started counting down after two minutes. So if my theory is correct, Subterfuge and Vanish are linked to where, once the CD on Vanish finishes, you will be unstealthed. If you plan on using this tactic, be careful.

Comment by Worcester

Does not work vs. Flare. Stealth drops immediately. Shadow Walk also does not protect against Flare.

Comment by Mormolyce

Only recently discovered how useful this is for Archaeology.

You can survey without ever breaking stealth. When a fragment appears, sap and blind and collect. Very rarely need to fight anything.

Comment by CaspianRoach

I can't believe nobody's talking about this — if you restealth before your Subterfuge buff runs out, it will kick you out of stealth once it runs out. INCREDIBLY annoying for fighting mobs that die in one hit.

Comment by nsmang

Actually, right now subterfuge talent has incredible fringe benefits that aren't communicated in the tooltip.

1. You can Survey with archaeology without ever breaking stealth, now only come out of stealth to loot the key fragment
2. You can cast your mount from stealth without becoming visible until you are mounted
3. You can cast your hearthstone, teleport items, etc. without becoming visible (i.e. your 10 second hearthstone will happen completely while stealthed)

Comment by Hedicit

Is the 80% buff on Garrote damage only applied when stealthed, or does it just give Garrote a flat 80% damage increase?

Comment by Rouzhianna

Seems that this talent at its own causes stealth to break when you use Grappling hook, sprint, potions etc.

Comment by Kethrook

They seem to have fixed the previous issues of random spells and abilities that shouldn't break stealth breaking it when talented into this, but now you can also do things you shouldn't be able to do while stealthed, such as hearthing and mounting. I'm not sure if this is as intended, but it's very useful for leveling/questing. I've submitted a bug report for it (because if it is as intended, it should say so in its description, and if it isn't, it's just a straight up bug) but will definitely be using it for vanish > mount until it's changed.

Comment by Macievko

Need Weakaura please :) (for outlaw)

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Subterfuge

Subterfuge

Talent

Abilities and combat benefits requiring Stealth remain active for 3 sec after Stealth breaks.

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Duration

n/a

School

Physical

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

n/a

Cost

None

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

0 seconds

Effect #1

Apply Aura: Overrides Actionbar Spell

	Stealth

PVP Multiplier: 1
Affected Spells:

	Stealth

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Trait #117581 Rank 1 Mode 0 Value: 115191
Trait #117581 Rank 2 Mode 0 Value: 115191

Effect #2

Apply Aura: Add Modifier - Flat (Label): Modifies Buff Duration (1)
Value: 3000
PVP Multiplier: 1
Affected Spells:

	Subterfuge

Trait #117581 Rank 1 Mode 0 Value: 3000
Trait #117581 Rank 2 Mode 0 Value: 6000

Effect #3

Apply Aura: Modifies Effect #5's Value (33)
Value: -100
PVP Multiplier: 1
Affected Spells:

	Vanish

Trait #117581 Rank 1 Mode 0 Value: -100
Trait #117581 Rank 2 Mode 0 Value: -100

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Aura cannot be cancelled
Not an Action
Not In Spellbook
Aura Points On Client
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