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Savage Roar

Savage Roar

25 Energy	100 yd range

Instant
Requires Druid (Feral)
Requires level 18

Finishing move that increases physical damage done by 40% while in Cat Form. Lasts longer per combo point:

1 point : 18 seconds
2 points: 24 seconds
3 points: 30 seconds
4 points: 36 seconds
5 points: 42 seconds

Buff

Spell Details

Duration

12 seconds

School

Physical

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

Normal

Cost

25 Energy

Range

100 yards (Vision)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

1 second

Effect #1

Dummy
Server-side script

Effect #2

Apply Aura: Dummy
Value: 40
Server-side script

Effect #3

Apply Aura: Periodic Dummy
Value: 30 every 3 seconds

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Comment by Andrige

Actually looks believable but I kind of hope not... Lock Jaw (Catforms version of Kidney Shot with a bleeding component) was a great contribution to Feral PvP and could change the situation against for example Warlocks, this one is mostly a PvE ability.
From a raiding perspective though, this would be VERY awesome.

P.S God I love the icon at the very least.

Comment by tlbj6142

Does it stack? Seems like you could easily have 2-3 overlapping at the same time. Or will we have to alternate Rip with this every other cycle?

Comment by Anile

Stacking this would be too OP. It is more than likely like a rogue's SnD, refreshing if you already have the buff. It would make rip do some insane damage though, so no need to stach this.

Comment by antdog

At first I was kinda sad to see that Lock Jaw was removed.

And it did take me a bit to war up to Savage Roar.

But form a PVE stand point, this talent is amazing. It’s our version of Slice and Dice. I will be definitely using rip+sr in my DPS cycles.

And from a PVP stand point its great. Ok we lost LJ....but let another class stun the target. Let us go crazy with burst damage.

THINK ABOUT IT.

If you get IM....your mangles will cost 36. 36 divided by 2 (berserk) will be under 20 energy cost. That’s 5 mangles you can span as fast as you can. Then pop tiger’s fury and you get an additional 3 more. That’s 8 mangles....LOL

With SR and Berserk up, you got 8 mangles at +25% damage.

Call me crazy, but that’s not bad at all.

Comment by Biglove

Although Lock Jaw was quite a loss PvP-wise, this is an INSANE ability for PvE. SR is an excellent damage buff and a CP-sink.
Well done, Blizzard, well done!

Comment by Nulgar

Finally a "finisher" to use on low-HP targets - imagine having 3-5 CP on a non-elite target that is below 10% and another add waiting to get dealed with.

*edit* As of 4.0, you don't immediately lose combo points on a dead target (they disappear after about 20 seconds, or when you generate new ones on another target) and you can use Savage Roar (same with the rogue's Slice and Dice) without the target selected (alive or not) so you can kill an enemy however you like, and then spend remaining combo points on a SR before attacking the next enemy. Note however, that some boss adds or otherwise summoned creatures despawn instantly on death, meaning any combo points on them are lost.

anvex: dammit >_< well, I stand to my typo, I'll keep it for posterity!

Comment by Jallel

This ability replaces the previous Lock Jaw. Imo, that's just too bad... Savage Roar is not a a bad ability, but I think Ferals are really lacking tools in PVP and since there aren't so many bleed immune mobs now, Rip makes a good finisher for PVE.

Not to say that the benefit a Resto or Balance druid gets from this spell is almost none. I'm sure that if you're forced to stay in cat form for any reason, it will always be better to have a stunt than a AP increase. Specially in arenas, in which many non feral druids start in Cat Form and Pounce an enemy. Having Furor and one combo point and using this would give non Ferals a way to spell interrupt.

Comment by Cryptern

If this was added to the game, druids could almost completly replace rogues in pvp.

Stun openers with a DoT in it, CP Dots and instant damage, and now stun and damage done?

:/

Comment by folkin

one think about this ability is that it say, 100 yards, that's some range for a self buff. to me this abilty sound like a party/raid buff. i realy hop that his is gonna be a raid buff

Comment by eranikusnxt

this is like a rogues slice and dice only insted on speed, you get power.

Comment by Bloodysorc

as of build 8820 this might finally be a decent finishing move, even if it means losing a rip. With the 4 and 5 cp roars hovering around 30 seconds, combining this with tiger's fury to catch up on the rip cycle might make this viable finishing move.

Comment by eididi

We will get fights again like we had at Magheridon, where we will start with a lot of tanks, which go over to dps as soon their target is dead. Hire the drood!

Due to their OT/dps ability druids have been and will be a good option in raids, maybe still not on top of damage, but near. And believe me: a well placed battle rezz or innervate from one of the cats will still help to prevent some wipes. We should be aware of being a hybrid class, and to play our class well, we should never forget to use all of your abilities.

Comment by iwt2001

Just to give an idea of how much this ability would do at level 80 with quest blues, over several lvl80 instance runs our feral druid's ferocious bite average crit was 10k and he crits for over 14k regularly, while his mangles were critting on average for over 4k. This finisher turns ferocious bite into a monster of an attack.

Comment by Kramp

You can use Savage roar with a Omen of Clarity proc and it will not consume the OoC. :)

Comment by bigby

I was running Violet Hold the other day and I kept trying to click my icon for this, but it wouldn't work. I had combo points, the situation was apt, any idea what could be preventing this? I believe it's another buff that I had, like trueshot aura, or that DK party buff. Anyway, if someone has any insight as to what buff to avoid in the future, I'd love to know. thanks.

Comment by Sxeros

Savage Roar: The buff now persists outside of Cat Form but only provides its benefits while in Cat Form.

Source: Source: Source: WoW-Europe 3.0.8 PTR Notes

Comment by ThinkWithPortals

Savage Roar can be used on targets under the affect of Ice Block, Divine Shield, etc.

Comment by mouseno4

This spell makes your purple kitty's head glow golden with orange streaks and the chest of the target glow the same colour.

The sound it makes is really awesome, as its a the sound of an actual cat roaring. Just love popping SR and hearing the sound of 'OMG IM GUNNA RIP SUM FACE NAW!'.

Sadly, since my cute purple kitty is crit based, most mobs arent worth popping SR for since they are normally dead in a couple seconds.

Comment by Booooooooooomkin

I actually think the same way as you... It will nerf them...

Rake the target for (AP/100+17) damage and an additional (90+AP*0.18) damage over 9 sec.
It increases in AP, not Physical Damage, and as we know (At least me, I sadly learned this the hard way), Tiger's Fury doens't increase Rip and Rake damage... And in the current PTR at least, it scales your attack the same way Tiger's Fury does... So, no more damage in Rip/Rake.

Comment by Neba

I took my camera with me and went to scratch some test dummies on the PTR to put these "bleeds don't benefit from Savage Roar or Naturalist" myths that show up on this page to rest.

The results in bleed tick CRITS since that's what all the cool cats will do come 3.1.:

Without Naturalist:
SR not active: Rake 2793, Rip 2544
SR active: Rake 3630, Rip 3308

With Naturalist 5/5:
SR not active: Rake 3071, Rip 2798
SR active: Rake 3993, Rip 3638

Mangle is up in all cases and no gear is used that would proc AP or other effects. The test kitty has 7112 AP.

The relevant screenies:

Naturalist: No, SR: No. http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3773/nonaturalistnosavageroa.jpg
Naturalist: No, SR: Yes. http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8653/nonaturalistwithsavager.jpg

Naturalist: Yes, SR: No. http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8054/naturalistnosavageroar.jpg
Naturalist: Yes, SR: Yes. http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/792/naturalistwithsavageroa.jpg

The tests show bleeds are considered physical damage for the purposes of Naturalist and Savage Roar, and they get increased by 30% with Savage Roar and 10% with Naturalist.

Comment by smiley001

From the latest patch 3.2 spell-comparison on mmo-champion:

Savage Roar is now only usable in Cat Form.

Most likely this will only result in a tooltip change, unless someone has any knowledge of getting this to work outside of catform ;)

Comment by hemmer

Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thundercats, Ho!

Comment by hppa

"Only useable while in Cat Form."

I'm not sure as English isn't really my first language, but shouldn't it be "usable", and not "useable"?

~typo alert!~

Comment by wowogamer

Savage Roar can no longer be dispelled: Dispel type n/a

Comment by xdobaj

I saw an early post saying "doesn't stack". Is this meant that it doesn't stack with itself (which is quite obvious :D) or that it doesn't stack with other similar effects? (Hysteria from blood DKs for example)

ty

Comment by Thrica

Is it just me, or does Savage Roar sound a lot like Sex Panther, à la Ron Burgundy?

Sex Panther by Odeon
It's illegal in 9 countries. Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good. They've done studies. 60% of the time, it works every time.

Comment by xavking12

Anyone knows if there's a sound file to trigger this?

Comment by TheRealConchar

http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=77493#. I heard someone wanted a 20% boost to some special abilities...

Comment by hashmel

Should keep in mind cat bleeds have already been buffed simply by the fact that they now benefit from haste and crit while haste will also benefit energy regeneration. I see this as an understandable change to the ability considering our melee attacks missed the party where they handed out buffs and the loss of armor penetration.

Comment by Mihir

Another change in 4.0 is that SR now uses your combopoints on any target that's within 100 yards. You don't have to have it targeted, and it doesn't need to be alive. So if you switch target or if your target dies and you had combopoints on the old target, you can use SR after switching targets as long as you didn't put any combopoints on the new target yet.

Comment by Erabus

http://www.wowhead.com/blog=173983

There have been massive buffs to cat dps abilities to compensate for Savage Roar only affecting autoattacks... it's really misleading because you end up doing the same dps even though the abilities got buffed to triple their damage.

Comment by Tartonga

It can be dispelled by a rogue's Shiv.

Comment by Hemuk4

Although the buff persists in bear form it does NOT work on it.

Hemuk.

Comment by kgurnhill

Does this improve Mangle (Cat) damage?
Before i get downrated, let me elaborate on why im a little confused...
This increases Autoattack damage by 80% (weapon damage, right?) and mangle does 540% weapon damage, so does mangle indirectly get a bonus when this is used?

e.g. of what i mean:

Melee Damage = 100
Mangle = 540 damage?
Savage Roar Used
Melee Damage = 180
Mangle = 972?

note: the numbers above are just for an example, used 100 as it seemed like the easiest number to use, to illustrate what i mean :)

Comment by QuickBASIC37

Can be removed with Enrage removing abilities:
Soothe Druid
Tranquilizing Shot Hunter
Shiv Rogue

Comment by brodover

Savage Roar
25 Energy

Cata: increase autoattack damage done by 80%
MOP: increases physical damage done by 30%.

so it's gonna be great to use even when doing aoe damage

0 point : 12 seconds (with the Charred Glyph)
1 point : 18 seconds
2 points: 24 seconds
3 points: 30 seconds
4 points: 36 seconds
5 points: 42 seconds

base 12 seconds with glyph, +6 seconds for each combo point used.
glyph looks really yummy. precast to get the 30% buff before starting the fight.

Comment by taohinton

Can anyone confirm that this is no longer an Enrage effect? It used to be but it's no longer listed as such.

Edit: Confirmed no longer an Enrage effect.

Comment by Arn1x

In Mists of Pandaria:

no longer an dispelable enrage buff.

with Charred Glyph can sometimes proc Predatory Swiftness , happens rarely, but happens.

should have 100% uptime to have competitive dps

Comment by Arberian021

Savage Roar is a spell which every Feral Druid Can use.
This ability must be kept active if the player wants to deal high damage. Increasing damage done by 40% for feral druids means increasing their effectiviness.

Savage Roar:Increases physical damage done by 40%.
It lasts longer when used on 5 combo points so i suggest to use this ability when u have 4 or 5 combos and when you dont have the effect!

Comment by tucuxia

This is actually the wrong Savage Roar. The spell ID for Feral Specialization Savage Roar is now 127538 not this one. Wowhead has listed in the database as "uncategorized" but that is the correct current ID. Druid Timer Bars (addon) hasn't shown Savage Roar properly since MoP because it has the incorrect old spell ID.

Comment by Vexem

If you happen to have Item - Druid T16 Feral 4P Bonus and you use Tiger's Fury before using Savage Roar while stealthed, you will aggro the mob because of the 3 combo points that gets applied from the 4P bonus. I only learnt this today, all that needs to be done now is just switch the ability you use first.

Comment by Rohgraht

From now on you could extend this with 30% left on its duration. That means that when its less that 12,6 sec left of Savage Roar, you can exten and get the full benefit of its duration.

Ive made som buttons to Weak Auras 2 to help out with rip/rake/savage roar, and really liked the outcome.

Check out

youtube.com/watch?v=2MiCj3TrFnk

And you'll get the idea and import.

Comment by sigprof

If you are trying to track the buff from this spell by ID, note that there is another variant of this spell: Savage Roar (new in 6.0), which comes from the Glyph of Savage Roar (changed in 6.0). The old spell #127538, which was coming from the previous version of the Glyph of Savagery, no longer exists in 6.0.

Comment by Zrgd

I still don't understand the reason for the archaic spell. Now that our bleeds no longer snap shot outside of Tiger's Fury and savage roar this is your biggest dps loss as you bleeds will drop 40% damage if this drops off.

Yet Paladins that had to keep a similar buff up in MoP Inquisition has been removed in WoD
Rogues need to keep Slice and Dice up, which in WoD will become passive via a perk for some specs, the others will have means to keep it rolling with out having to reapply it.

I just don't understand why similar spells get removed or have easier ways to refresh it while druids still have to mess with this crap. Ohh yeah we have a Glyph of Savagery that fair...we get to take a damage loss for the same effect.

This is simply an archaic ability that just needs to have the 40% dmg it adds baked into our other abilities.

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