Really, having read most of the comics involving him, he seems written differently than how he is portrayed in game. He's a lot more bearable and even understandable at times in the comics, when before he was added to the game made me excited because he seemed like a nice addition at the time...Then he was added... Followed by doing the Wrathgate quest line and helping out in UC, my opinion of him dropped to a low point. I still enjoy reading the comics with him but anytime especially with Jaina in game (When he shoved her out of the way in the Ulduar trailer, that was where he got horrible imo) I get disheartened entirely. He's going to need a complete turn around to even be somewhat likable again and I just don't see that happening.
On the account of Varian vs. Garrosh, I think it's a fun thing to theorize. Those two are so hellbent on killing each other. While I think that Varian has every reason to hate humans, I don't really see why Garrosh does. I had a small discussion with a guildie a few days ago where we'd see the following outcome of the lore changes and the impact of the attitudes of Thrall, Garrosh and Varian.We spoke about the possible conflicts that could potentially happen. An idea that came up were an uprising among the ranks of the Orcs with Garrosh in the lead resulting in a civil war and an attempt to kill Thrall. Whatever the outcome, (I'm rooting for thrall) the Orcs will never be the same again.The other option would be that Thrall decides to retire, realizing that he will never be able to physically beat Garrosh. He travels to Nagrand to die while Garrosh leads the orcs to war with Varian Wrynn and his forces.
I play Alliance (because I like draenei) but out of all the racial leaders I like Thrall the best, and really sympathize with the Horde. I don't know who this guy is in our throne room (who looks like he got his head bashed in a few too many times if you know what I mean) but I want him gone.Bolvar was such a better leader. Why couldn't the kid just grow up under Bolvar's influence and be our new king? They could have totally made that work. Not this forced storyline that makes everyone want to spit on their faction leader and go join the other side. I say we kill off Varian and let things go back to the good old days.
Varian and Garosh will eventually combine to become the new lich king after Arthas is downed. They're so full of hate and bitterness; it makes sense to me.Dude, I love you man.Really, having read most of the comics involving him, he seems written differently than how he is portrayed in game. He's a lot more bearable and even understandable at times in the comics, when before he was added to the game made me excited because he seemed like a nice addition at the time...He doesn't need to be likeable in the game, that's the difference. If he's not likeable in the comics, then the comics wouldn't sell. While I think that Varian has every reason to hate humansDo you mean the defias or orcs?
Really, having read most of the comics involving him, he seems written differently than how he is portrayed in game. He's a lot more bearable and even understandable at times in the comics, when before he was added to the game made me excited because he seemed like a nice addition at the time...Yep, anyone who has read the comics understands a whole other side to Varian and I guess when Blizzard was writing the scenes for Varian in game they forgot that although THEY know Varians story very well, the players in fact don't. The players see his actions in game and think him a "racist" or "vicious and idiotic", people take the stance that "he should sit down and work things out with Thrall" but what those people don't realize is he has already tried this twice and if he tried it again that would really be unbelievable from a story point of view, you just don't see his efforts for peace in game since its all in the comics.
I have always played Alliance, apart from a single tauren Shaman I got to level 11 with on a distant server. And I hate Varian Wrynn. Why? He just seems so ignorant and careless. He was clearly told that it wasn't the Horde who killed Bolvar, but he stills attacks Thrall. Potentially starting a war. Way to go, Varian. However, in my opinion, the Horde have a brilliant leader. Thrall is wise, honourable, and mostly peaceful. And whats more, he's also really deeply implemented in the lore, and it's good lore, at that. Shame you can't kill your own leaders *Sigh* I would be interested to know if anyone actually LIKES Varian?
Sucks to have him as a leader
By the way, Wrynn doesn't look very young in those pics ( maybe 30 years old? )so, if in his young years was taken by thrall and stuff.. How old is Thrall? myabe the green skin helps to cover the age.and btw, everytime he speaks, he sounds like a tard. xP
I would be interested to know if anyone actually LIKES Varian?I like him.I honestly think that having an aggressive, dynamic and hands on leader is exactly the sort of thing the alliance needed. Sure he might seem a little bit forced into the story but its not the first time (not likely to be the last time) that this has happened.I think, given his history, that his hated and angst towards the horde are perfectly justifiable and will serve as a great point of contention between the 2 factions. Let’s face it; the Horde and Alliance were getting to friendly during TBC.Bring on the Open warfare between the factions I say
Varian is almost as bad as Fandral Staghelm, except that he's driven by a devotion to his people (and the rest of the Alliance) rather than a lust for power. A perfect old-school Alliance leader along the lines of Daelin Proudmoore to shake some essential conflict into the story! (And I play Alliance too) I'd actually defend Varian though, if Hordies go for Staghelm, I'd cheer them on. <_<Yes, his lore history is decidedly shaky and forced. So is a lot of Warcraft lore; Bridenbrad's tale for one. Granted, that was more about Tiron's honor than Bridenbrad's tale, but we had never previously heard about this "great and valorous" crusader. So while Varian is kinda forced in, I'm glad he's here. Also, he seems more like the anti-Garrosh than the anti-Thrall.The first paragraph makes all the difference to me; I don't hate Varian. He's not evil, merely misguided; Varian does the wrong things for the right reasons. Comparatively, Fandral Staghelm does the wrong things for the wrong reasons. Varian fights because he cares, not because of a desire for dominion (Staghelm) or out of simple battle lust (Garrosh). His hatred towards the Horde is completely understandable considering what they did to him.It's almost a shame Highlord Fordring would never accept the Stormwind crown, however Varian is a much-needed catalyst for war.It's a crying shame most people that play don't give 2c about lore and just mash "Accept" and "Complete" when it comes to questing.
Personally? I would get the man a shrink. And a good one. His anger issues aside, and wounds supposedly 'fresh' in what has happen, honestly I'd rather follow Thrall if I had to choose... And I am Alliance all the way!His story is forced, I mean... Sheesh. I want to slap him, his sound bites and anger always tweak me the wrong way, let alone the Battle for Undercity. We downed Putress, woohoo end of story all done and what does the friggin' moron do hearing Thrall?Go bonkers on a blood rush...Seriously.Someone get the man some Paxil or valium... or something!Garrosh .... well he's for another story. *sharpens dagger*
Woot lack of war! We freaking had a recent war with all demons in outland, i would not call that a none war lol. Also we are currently in war with the lch king armies, the Blue dragonflight and we are in war with the Iron dwarfs and their dark masters.There is still alot of war in wow, just ain't been alot with the Horde side. Which we still have conflicts with (BG's and WG anyone?).I do not like varian bcs he seems like some freakin anime hero from some japanese show. Who yells and brags about how much he hates the Horde. Seems rather an insane leader, Arthas number 2 perhaps?Hope he becomes a raid boss so alliance can beat the crap out of him, he is more annoying that the breadlady in IF and that is alot of annoying.
Compare him to any of the Horde leaders (Lady Sylvanas Windrunner, Thrall, Carine Bloodhoof and Lor'themar Theron) and by all appearances, Varian appears to be the most outwardly aggressiveThats why i dont like him, he would bent the kingdom in war if it wasnt for jaina, or *certain* someone that would want to replace thrall...while his background seemed to be great, having a dual wielder hordie-hating human isnt something im not looking forward to. commander garithos anyone?
Varian is a racist and I hope that he and all that agree with his anit-Horde veiws choke on their own tounges!/endrant
Woot lack of war! We freaking had a recent war with all demons in outland, i would not call that a none war lol.Exactly, there's been plenty of war going on, it just hasn't been between the horde and the alliance. PvE servers do exist as well;)As to people going on about how Varion has all these justifications....No He Dosen't, Thrall has plenty of those same justifications, so does Jaina, yet they're both trying to keep the peace, when everyone else around him is doing their dammdest to not start a war, (Garrosh aside, who can get away with it by not being a faction leader and thus not having to live up to their standards), his insistance on starting one makes him lok like a fool. Somone like Garrosh can get away with the idiocy, (like i said he's not a faction leader, he's not expected to have that kind of wisdom), a faction leader can't, they're supposed to know better than that.THAT is what annoys people about him. He's the king he's supposed to know better.As to the trailer, (just found it;)). I'm not tottaly sure how to interpret Jaina's actions there. She certianly gives Roinn a "he's in a bad mood" Look. But it's not clear if her walking away is because:A) The King dosen't want her there.B) She's delibretly saying to Roinn, "Yes i'm your supiriour in terms of magicial power, but this is your city,. and thus your ball game"C) I may have brought him here, but i'm not going to stand with him in this.D) She just nmoticed the gryphon and wanted a first hand and less emotinol account of things from the gryphon out on the balcony, (you did notice them talking and find that adorably cute yes?).Also don't forget all the nuetral faction in the game with cross side membership. The members of the Argent Dawn/Crusade, Knights of the Ebon Blade, the Kirin Tor, The Shattered Sun, The Earthen Ring, and the Cenuarion Circle/Expedition aren't going to fight each other because the idiot in SW tells them to. Not to mention the Draneri Attitudes towards killing others, (and the Narru affiliation they have), probabl taking them out of Varion's arsenal. Jaina's allmost certian to abbandon him too. If he get's into a war he risks making enemies of a hell of a lot of people to do it.Also Was I the only one to notice how Jaina stood behind THRALL in that trailer when Garosh and Varion where fighting, (or how easily Roinn WTFPWND;) there asses for them). Not to mention in the org party of the battle for UC line Thral says "we must prepare for war" To jaina, implying quite a lot there.
Kiddies loving Wrynn? Show me one.http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=1747
King's aren't meant to be loved, they are meant to be figure heads, and when times are good they are feared by their enemies, and when times are bad their people turn to them for help.King Varian Wrynn is a man who is not to be treated with disrespect. The Alliance should prepare for war, and if war comes I know who I'd like to lead them into battle - King Magni Bronzebeard, Prophet Velen, Tyrande Whisperwind or King Varian Wrynn? No contest.
I don't like Varian. Mostly because he's human, I'm Horde, and in WoW, humans are xenophobic pricks. People like Jaina and Bolvar are the exception, not the rule. The highest alliance character I've ever had was about lvl 25 or so and I only ever went in SW a few times to find things like the bank or AH, but the little interaction I had with those standing in the SW keep throne room was that Bolvar was reasonably level-headed and probably a good role model for yon small child of a king.Varian on the other hand is a complete $%^&*!bag. There isn't really much else to say. Yes, he's been compared to Garrosh Hellscream with the whole "MRAAAAH! Lust for battle! Kill orcs!" (Or in Garrosh's case, "kill humans".)The difference here of course is (and while I don't particularly like him either) is that Garrosh is two things: he's very young comparatively. He was never in the "old" Horde and was never affected by Mannoroth's blood (see his dialogue with Saurfang in Warsong Hold), and he is also Grom Hellscream's son. Now I don't know about you, but the average adolescent is going to be a little aggressive to begin with, plus he's grown up and heard not only of all the glorious battles the Horde has fought in, but also how his father is one of the greatest heroes the Orcs have ever known. To a young orc, particularly one with that kind of legacy to live up to, seeking combat at every turn to prove yourself worthy is the highest priority. Wouldn't you if you were in his boots?Varian, on the other hand, has a son who's around his early teens by now (if wow had any sort of dynamic to it) which would mean he's probably kicking 40. At that age he should damn well know violence isn't the answer to everything, and have the wisdom and world experience to make the right decision for the right reason. But he's not. He impulsive, brash, and doesn't think at all! He acts much like a psychotic and petulant child.To my Horde brethren, DEATH TO THE KING! and to my Alliance counterparts, if we don't kill him first, I hope someone stages a coup d'etat for the good of your people.
I played alliance on release way back in 04, switched to horde in fall 06 just before tbc and never looked back. But I remember going through the defias chains in the deadmines, finding out about the king being kidnapped. Seriously the alliance quests are 10x more cool than the horde starter ones just because the lore seems so much more extensive.Varian seems ok to me except that he is nothing like I pictured. When I thought of the noble alliance king kidnapped by defias, he is not the guy I thought of. He seems a lot like the original arthas, hotheaded young warrior, not a king of an entire race.
I think the king before the kidnap is a very different creature than that who currently sits on the Stormwind throne.