My friend is a very good player, definitely not a newb, but he didn't know that Dalaran had ports to the Horde cities... so I guess we all have our "newb moments." :P
"You stop being a newb the day you get the Achievements That Takes Class and Know Thy Enemy."Once you have those two Achievements, you're good from there ;)
Everyone will always be a newb till they stop playing the game or farming Icecrown Cathedral with guilds. well that would be for PVE i guess. for PVP i assume it will be when/if blizz stop tweaking classes (which i hope they dont!)Another point is alot of people think newb and noob mean the same thing -_-
Newb -> NoobWhen you start thinking you know the game, when really you're bad at it. Example, priest who claims his talent spec is the best, when really it's just a mixed up bunch of talents. Had a friend who did this, luckily I managed to show him what to do, and gained him more coefficients. =pNewb -> Decent playerWhen you know what you need to know about the game. I.E. being a raider and knowing generally what to do when raiding.
You stop being a newb when you grasp the everyday. You will have a rudimentary understanding of most game mechanics and game feel- from how caster/ranged/melee NPCs act differently, to how stats affect your character and their relative worth, to the value and applications of your spells, to how to skim a quest for relevant information.You go a bit beyond that into being a proficient player when you can tank, heal, or DPS as needed, and when you can step into a new instance or content patch with utmost confidence in your ability to meet any challenge it presents.
It's when you realise that you don't need to ask everyone for help. When you can work out the next place to level, where the quest item is, what the best spec for what you want to do is. Once you have done that, then you aren't a newb.
In my opinion it's when you simply stop thinking you are a newb. However, if that means you'll instead start thinking "I know everything about this game" you'll become a noob. A good player is between these two; competent but always open to advice even if he/she isn't a newb anymore.Oh, and this is definitely the best definition of the two words.
When you can find Mankirks wife.But really, I think people loose the newb status once they move beyond the simple questions and move to advanced questions. When they have a firm grip of the game, understanding each class, race, economy, mechanics, ect. General stuff really. They don't need to hit theorycrafting status. But when someone can stop asking "Is this gear good for me" but instead ask "What was hit cap for me again with just my bonuses?" and can figure out the rest. That's when they gain the achievement "Seasoned"
We all have our newb moments. When the expansion came out, we were all new to the content, but those of us who had been following the news on the expansion or had played the beta or had been reading the beta section on Wowhead were less of newbs than those who went in with no idea what to expect. I think you stop being a newb when, no only do you have a rudimentary understanding of the finer points of the game, but when you know how to find out things you don't know. When sites like Wowwiki and Wowhead are in your favorites and you use them to find out things you don't know, that's the mark of an experienced player.
The thing is, you can be a newb at different things. Someone who is a level 80 raider, that can hold their own in any dungeon thrown at them, might never have PvPed before. Their first battleground, they're going to be a newb, even if they've been playing for years.I'd say, you stop being a newb in a particular area of gameplay once you no longer need to ask questions about that part of the game.
You could see it as phases.1. You start the game as a newb, you know little to nothing and you greatly enjoy listening to what NPCs say to you, without even knowing it's not another player.2. You get the slang and know the ropes. You get somehow irritated by the newbs who join you to SFK. This irritation can vary from little notifications of how the others should do it to forcing them to turn their swear filter off.3. You now are a noob.(Some skip this phase, they are gods. Only people known to skip this phase:Chuck NorrisSaurfangMrs. Saurfang.Techno Viking)4. ?5. You no longer are a noob! Hooray and a little /yay me. You can now start helping all the newbs at Goldshire and Razor Hill by giving them that gold which is burning in your pocket and give them advice on how to raid MC! (They'll need it sometime, eeh?)Hope this helped you people.Edit: Little typo
To me, you stop being a newbie when you reach this easy and basic requirements.When you understand Threat/AggroYou understand class energy usage. (Energy, Runes/Runic Power, Rage, Mana)The difference between Need and Greed.The stats that your class/spec requires to do it's role well.You learn from your mistakes.You know basic class mechanics (ex: Knowing that hunters are a ton better using range attacks than melee attacks.)When you are open minded (aka willing to learn).When you know that you're the bomb.Most of these you learn fairly easily, even while soloing. The biggest requirement to learn is to be open minded. Watch what other people do and compare to what you do. If it's more efficient, it's probably the better/correct way to do it. Also, be willing to ask for help. Though it's probably not the best idea, /who 80 (your class) and whisper someone who isn't busy raiding, PvP, whatever. You'll generally be ignored, or made fun of, but you might just get a person who's willing to help.Also, do not ask if they can come there and help you do quests. That annoys them very much and will generally put you on ignore. Just ask questions though /w, and try not to ask too much at once.Observe (it)Think (about it)Try (it)Decide (if you want to do it)You're only a noob when:You are not willing to learn, narrow minded.
When you get a feel for your class.This took me till 55 on my first char to get, I was leveling an enhancement shaman with a 1h and a shield. oh vanilla wow those were the days.I didnt even spec into stormstrike as the wording made it sound useless to me
The day you get all achievements, than you are completely newb-free. Until then; there's always something you can learn.
You'll never stop being a newb in every aspect, there's always something that you don't know about.Not being an "instance newb" when you know your class's role and how group dynamics work."PVP newb"? Know how to deal with other classes and how to beat them in either world or BG.etc...
I say you stop being a newb when 1. You learn the playstyle of your character, not runing up and meleeing as a hunter and not throwing axes as a rogue,2.You also have to know the basic concept of interaction between you anyone else your grouping with because hey this is a MMORPG sure you can live in a dream world where you are the best without any interaction with anyone but that just hurts you thus the ability to interact is born3. You don't refer to others as Noobs while you might get your friends to join and call them Newbs for a few lvls.Things that doesn't make you a complete Newb are No knowing certain fights because hey there are certain things called patchs that make so much more stuff availible it isn't even funny. So in a sense you always have a newb side.IF you think to yourself or say to others hey this boss fight is easy never done it but I am here so its easy your a NOOB. When you think if you were not there the raid would die or if you think that just because you want 100g for a crapy item you should get it your a noob. NOOB if you think that you can be the best at something out of everyone. There will always be someone who is better who might just get more dps than you. YOU are not a gm and thus your not immortal.This is my veiw point. I get called a noob alot when I make simple mistakes but the real people who are the noobs are those doing the calling I am but a Newb learning new things and what not to do.
You stop being a noob when:1. You realize than wowhead exist's.2. When you focus on learning well your class and you read all the stuff about.3. When you focus on real achievements instead noobing around the city or the world doing stupid things.4. When you realize you're class isn't nerfed, its just you not knowing how to deal with other classes.5. When you avoid typical msg on general chats.6. When you help someone when it needs it.7. When you don't care about other achievements, just your's.8. When you don't steal others targets, loot, etc.9. When you enjoy your class and enjoy the pro's and con's.10. When you have a good name! not nothing like chucknärris or being a tauren called "yumyumburger"