On most mature PvE servers, the alliance outnumbers the horde. On most PvP servers, the horde outnumbers the alliance. This means that Wintergrasp (and any other world PvP areas) tend to be controlled by the stronger side. Playing alliance on a PvP server is frustrating- you're constantly fighting a losing battle, and have to resort to ridiculous tactics like logging in at 5 AM do get your dailies done without being ganked.What's funny is that Horde think the same way. Alliance almost always outnumber us and I swear the ganking gets worse when it hits around 3-4pm, because the kiddos get off school. And don't even get me started on how it's obvious that all the kiddies are on Christmas break this week instead of being at school. I honestly don't think the imbalance has anything to do with who is mature vs. who is not -- just because you seem to think that most mature (lol) PvE servers the Alliance outnumber Horde and that on most PvP servers the Horde outnumbers the Alliance doesn't mean it's true. I mean, do you have stats to back "most" up? I think someone rolling on a PvP server probably look at racials and choose that way, although I think they've made some adjustments to make the racials a bit more "balanced."Immaturity is on both sides. I tend to think Alliance have more kids just because when you start the game as a new player you probably think of Alliance vs. Horde as "good vs. evil" and most kids want to be the "good hero" and go Alliance. It was that way in SWG -- I swear every kid who rolled in that game went Rebel instead of Imperial because they somehow wanted to be Luke Skywalker or Han Solo. Not to mention Alliance used to be the "prettier" side. Not so much anymore with BEs, but... that's how I see it. Alliance have humans, and humans are the most popular race in ANY game. So naturally Alliance will draw a lot of people due to that alone. The more people you have, the more room for idiots.But... it IS on both sides. You'll find retards and kids on both sides no matter what, and it always seems like your side is somehow more mature and the other side somehow is more childish, but it's jut not true. I've played both sides, spending 3 years as Alliance first, and the past 9 months? or so as Horde. I wish I went Horde sooner, quite frankly.
well horde trade is bad but not as retarded as ally, heres a comparison of the tradesAlliance: Twilight, Anal , cybarz, selling BoP items, beggarsHorde: LFG for PuGs, me, selling a few things, arguments here and there, discussions about anythingyeah our trade chat is demented.The 'Anal' thing made its way to Horde, if it didn't start there first - it's also on Eredar. It's not as popular as it was right after WotLK came out, though.
what I would like is a new feral staff, cause the one i got sucks for my lvl*cough**scratches head**cough*Umm...Wrong thread, dude.*sigh*R U HORDE?EDIT: Yeah, the anal frenzy comes on the Greymane chat once in a few days too.
I think I'm going to play the devil's advocate here, since I have a history similiar to The Onyx'. I started out intending to go Alliance with friends but back in those days we were all very "twitchy" about what we wanted to play - and no wonder, since most of us either had no or only a few days played in the vanilla beta. I did end up playing horde as my "final first main", and was exclusively Horde without any alliance alts beyond level 20 or so until about a year and a half back.I created a second account on the server I played my horde chars, after realising that I quite liked Alliance and what had been holding me back from making proper Alliance alts was that I couldn't bear the thought of playing anywhere else. Knowing a lot of Alliance people through irc / vent, etc sure helped the decision too. The Alliance paladin in my signature is my main these days, but I did play Silverblood to 80 and the Horde paladin to 77 during beta, so I've seen that side too.I'm almost exclusively talking about environments and visuals, for the record.The Horde have zeppelins, but that's not all we have. We can also take boats between Rachet and Booty Bay. Can the Alliance take a zeppelin anywhere? No. What happens if you have a raid of Alliance who just attacked Orgrimmar, and they want to attack The Undercity? Can they just take a convenient tram betweem the insides of both towns? No. In fact, I prefer the zeppelin tower. There was more than one occasion where I mind-controlled an Alliance player on the zeppelin and walked him off of it into fatigue water. Can you do that on the Tram? No.Come now, neither of those are anything resembling an argument that Horde have it just as good as Alliance. You make it sounds like boats between Ratchet and Booty Bay is something exclusive to Horde, which is untrue. Just following quest progression as you level, Alliance get to the goblin towns slightly later but that's about it.Personal preference in zeppelins vs the Deeprun Tram is all well and good, but you have to admit there's quite a lot more work gone into the tram. If you really want to and get the opportunity you can also walk someone under mind control off the tram in the middle of the tunnel - if you've been naughty and aimed the poor bugger into the 'trench' the ram travels through, have fun running back to either side!Do you know how the Alliance are ferried into Northrend in the Howling Fjord? They take a boat through a fjord channel. The first time through, this is awesome. You see a burning boat hanging from the cliffs. The boat enters this harbor, does a loop through a cave, then drops you off at the dock. When you realize that you had passed that dock when you got into the harbor and the boat decided to take an extra minute to give you a tour of the area, then realize this will happen EVERY SINGLE TIME you take the boat, you are less than enthused. What happens with the Horde? That 'annoying, lame' zep flies right to the zep tower. You jump off, and you're right there in the middle of Vengeance Landing. Personally I still think that ride is awesome. To be honest, I've taken it more times just to experience it than actually using it for purposeful travel, because without stupendously slow leveling and/or complete negligence of hearthstone / Dalaran portal planning I can't see how anyone would use it enough times for the latter type of travel to become tired of it. Did I mention how awesome the new Alliance ships look? I had hopes for Horde ships during the beta when I very early on found the derelicts at Garrosh' Landing in Tundra - frankly I was convinced that a "whole" version of those ships would replace some of the Horde ships, in particular the one the Gorde uses in Venture Bay. Sadly, that never happened. Also, the zeppelins? Please, the new ones look even worse than the old ones. Second-hand things with a too small maintenance budget and a hobo tent stuck on the back of the deck, sigh. Speaking of the transportation, I can get back to this quote:I have a friend who was in the beta for WotLK. He expressed dismay when he saw that Stormwind received the addition of a huge harbor from which you could travel to Northrend. The Horde received... another zeppelin towerI think this is the thing that bothers me most. Even if you PREFER the zeppelin towers (although I can't imagine why), just think of the effort that went into the harbour. Action taken to give the Horde transportation to Northrend? Yeah, let's copy-paste those ramshackle things from vanilla beta.It follows tradition, though. Orgrimmar? A ravine with a lot of copypasted huts. Seriously, at least the alliance houses in Stormwind were copypasted with some thought put into it that made them all look varied, as well as retextured and modified to fit the districts. I could expand on Stormwind vs Orgrimmar (without even moving on to Ironforge, my favourite city), but I honestly don't think I need to. Silvermoon is the only real city the Horde has, and thus the only city with some major work put into it - but the Exodar matches that with ease.Speaking of Vengeance Landing, the undead now no longer live in squalor. They live in what looks like a series of buildings in which Dr. Frankenstein would take up residence. That's pretty awesome, if you ask me. Warsong Hold speaks for itself. What did the Alliance get? Another castle! Woo!I think it's interesting that you bash Alliance castles for looking the same. Sure they do. Bugger that Vengeance Landing looks so much better, eh? Not to mention New Agamand! Or Venomspite! Or all those apothecary camps! Oh, wait. Yes, they changed Forsaken architectural style and it does indeed look awesome, but it's the same move as the change to Alliance architecture, which I personally think looks just as good as the new Forsaken one, if perhaps being somewhat simpler. You see my point. I think there are parts of both Factions that are going to be looked upon with envy by the other side. You are perfectly correct, it's human nature after all.But I think my argument that the effort gone into Alliance environments / visuals being larger than the same for Horde still has some heavy merit, regardless of people's preferences.
Agreed. People will always look over at the other Faction and want what the other has.This is just another thing that Blizzard has masterfully done in order to make people spend more time on WoW, thus giving them more $$$. They play one Faction, they get to 80 and see everything there is to see, then they see something of the other Faction and exclaim "OMG, I'M PLAYING THE WRONG FACTION!" and then switch over.Blizzard is masterful, I have to say.Good post, btw =DNot true, there is nothing the other faction has that I want. I have seen what both have to offer and I am happy with the color of my sungrass. I guess I just don't fit into that stereotype. I don't really care what form of transportation the other faction has or what their cities, towns and villages look like. I don't mean it in a sarcastic or demeaning way, but simply that it has no direct effect on me therefore I should not concern myself with these things. This is strictly speaking from a gaming environment, not real life issues.As a matter of fact, I would not be opposed to doing away with the hate between the horde and alliance factions altogether. Alternatively both factions working together for a common goal and experiencing that great boat in Stormwind or that mighty flying vessel from Orgrimmar together on the same ship. Engaging in pvp if you choose to do so by flagging yourself. Although the hate & discontent between the factions does indeed keep the money flowing in. So from a business standpoint, it is in the best interest of the company to continue with the status quo for the sake of profits.I can only assume there are some people (like me) who wonder how the other side lives & dies so they do create a character from the other faction. It does not necessarily mean that the other faction has something they want but they want to sate their own curiosity, meanwhile contributing more money into the company coffers inadvertently. This was my case, to sate my curiosity, not because they had something I wanted.I think that both recieved quality upgrades in WotLK but to argue that one side got more or better upgrades is moot. Its like arguing over better racials or horde are "naturally" better at pvp than alliance. Or the most common, alliance is full of snot nose kids and horde is full of jerks. Its all moot imo.
I have a friend who was in the beta for WotLK. He expressed dismay when he saw that Stormwind received the addition of a huge harbor from which you could travel to Northrend. The Horde received... another zeppelin towerI think this is the thing that bothers me most. Even if you PREFER the zeppelin towers (although I can't imagine why), just think of the effort that went into the harbour. Action taken to give the Horde transportation to Northrend? Yeah, let's copy-paste those ramshackle things from vanilla beta.It follows tradition, though. Orgrimmar? A ravine with a lot of copypasted huts. Seriously, at least the alliance houses in Stormwind were copypasted with some thought put into it that made them all look varied, as well as retextured and modified to fit the districts. I could expand on Stormwind vs Orgrimmar (without even moving on to Ironforge, my favourite city), but I honestly don't think I need to. Silvermoon is the only real city the Horde has, and thus the only city with some major work put into it - but the Exodar matches that with ease.As part of the conversation with TheOnyx that sparked his quote, I made the same point. There was a significant amount of effort put into the Harbour and the new boats that use it. Of course the counterpoint to that is an equal amount of work had to go into the new Warsong Hold and the Undead archeticture. Which in the long run will see a lot more use than the Harbour. The Stormwind Harbour will end up like the Dark Portal. Once people have hearth stones set to Northrend they don't really need to travel through it. Same with the zep towers. So the lack of creative input on the zeps and the towers is made up on the structures that well see much more use in the future since there is potential for it to appear in patch content or another expansion. In the end that is a boon to the Horde.I agree that Silvermoon is the only real city for the Horde. But I will always use Undercity. The compact and easy to navigate design make it the most useful place of all the capital cities.
I joined Horde for one reason...I wanted to be a troll with tusks coming out of my face.I like the odd races in games. Humans? Elves? Dwarves? Too generic.I like the mean orcs, the lanky tusk faced trolls, the minotaur Tauren.Although, I'm pretty sure that my side has the majority of the annoying people. But I've met the good ones in my faction. And honestly, I've met the good ones on the other side... That I got to come to mine... I call that a win, yea'?But I'm effing Horde. For the Horde!
Come now, neither of those are anything resembling an argument that Horde have it just as good as Alliance.You make it sounds like boats between Ratchet and Booty Bay is something exclusive to Horde, which is untrue. Just following quest progression as you level, Alliance get to the goblin towns slightly later but that's about it.First off, most of this blog post was kind of tongue-in-cheek. :)Anywho, my main point here is that Horde get the chance to utilize the Alliance mainstay for long-distance travel, whereas there are no Alliance or Neutral Zep paths.Did I mention how awesome the new Alliance ships look? I had hopes for Horde ships during the beta when I very early on found the derelicts at Garrosh' Landing in Tundra - frankly I was convinced that a "whole" version of those ships would replace some of the Horde ships, in particular the one the Gorde uses in Venture Bay. Sadly, that never happened. Also, the zeppelins? Please, the new ones look even worse than the old ones. Second-hand things with a too small maintenance budget and a hobo tent stuck on the back of the deck, sigh.I do wonder why they took out the inner hold of the zeps. I also totally dig the Undead boats moored off of Vengeance Landing. I wish they'd incorporated those into travel.I think this is the thing that bothers me most. Even if you PREFER the zeppelin towers (although I can't imagine why), just think of the effort that went into the harbour. Action taken to give the Horde transportation to Northrend? Yeah, let's copy-paste those ramshackle things from vanilla beta.LKolmir covered a good response to this already. They did put a lot of effort into Horde architecture this time around. Frankly, I spent more time in Warsong Hold and the Undead towns in the Fjord than I imagine someone does in Stormwind Harbor, so the effort spent there has a longer-lasting impact, at least to me.I think it's interesting that you bash Alliance castles for looking the same. My intent there wasn't to bash the castle so much as the lack of effort Blizzard placed into constructing a fortification as unique as the nearby Warsong Hold. I like the look of a good castle; they look more sturdy than many Horde fortifications.I think it was easier for Blizzard to make the Alliance environments more immersible early on for the same reason Malgayne points out regarding how he can immerse himself into them easier: they are largely cookie-cutter fantasy. They have a large palate from which to work, and the ability to make something people readily-recognize and like doesn't come hard. With the Horde environments, they had to write it all from scratch. I agree that I think they slacked off in the beginning, which is a large portion of the complaints I hear regarding the faction split in general, whether it be in a PvP Battleground which inadvertently caused an exploit or in a random town somewhere. I was, however, pleased to see Blizzard more in a more in-depth direction with Horde this time around.I mostly covered environments in my post because Malgayne did a great job of pointing out that, while the quest lines are different and each side has some pretty epic ones, in general both sides experiences similar types of quests and have their own epicness. As for class imbalance, that went away when Shaman and Paladins became cross-faction, so now all anyone really has to complain about aside from environments and quests is racial traits. Personally, I look at those like I look at colors: everyone has their favorites, but in the end the advantage they provide is, while different, approximately equivalent overall. So, to me, the only remaining "imbalance" is the environments. Also, it occurs to me that Warsong Hold did remind me of something from my past: Ironforge. Sure, it's a smaller scale, but walk into Warsong Hold, then walk into the Great Forge and tell me you don't get the same sort of vibe.
I've played horde since the start because, yes, my friends who got me into WoW were all horde. I stay there because I think there's a huge rich story line for each of the races on that side, especially the Forsaken and the Orcs. In a previous blog post it was pointed out that the Alliance side tends to be more of a story setup you make re-imagine yourself, while the Horde story setups are more thoroughly detailed and built out, and I can see how that could be a downer, but I actually like it. I am really getting into the amount of lore and history Blizzard has put into the whole world, and all the details.Now, I play horde and love that side, but me and my wife have jumped the fence and rolled a few Alliance toons to see how that worked out. Biggest thing we liked over there, the look of her female Dranei hunter Seriously though, the details they put into SW, and IF, are incredible, and very apparent. More so I think than the details around Org and UC. But that only spurred me to look into the Horde city nooks and crannys more!... oh, and we did this during Hallow's End this year, so I really will misse my Gnome Rouge with poisoned blades and black tabard running through Darkshore's woods with a fiery pumpkin for a head ... total horror movie goodness there! And whats this about not being able to use boats and zeps? We ride the Alliance boats all the time! Best part is just after you leave the dock, you and 9 friends run out from the hold below and either hack everyone up (then repeat after the load screen), or watch them all jump into the water in panic, and have to wait for another boat ... HAHAHAHA ... *wipes eyes* ... gets me every time. hehe.While a tram between Org and TB would be nice, I don't see the travel time being any shorter, and I prefer the scenic flights anyway. Great time to make a hot pocket or check email.But here's a good question... is the sungrass greener on a PvE server vs. a PvP server?When we rolled alliance toons, we did so on a PvE server, as we're normally PvP. All we could say after lvl 20 was "wow, cheater mode, seriously." We were constantly expecting high level hordies to run out of the woods in Elwynn and hack us to bits, as on our server ... well, we would do that. But nothing, and only the ocassional Tauren riding by waving. When we did jump into contested areas and catch a glimpse of mounted Horde headed our way ... turns out most players on a PvE, from our experience anyway, don't understand PvP play. Reversing an attempted gank, but someone 6+ lvls over us, became a routine excercise.So, I can see how it'd be nice to enjoy content on a PvE server, and not have to deal with Stranglethorn and Tarren Mill / Southshore... but man it just seemed so much more like a linear game with little surprise.
One of my friends said that he rolls female characters because he doesn't want to stare at the butt of a guy the entire time he plays. I told him that if he was frequently staring at his character's butt, he's got other problems. :)I have to say, that cracked me up :D and also the reason why every time I play, I either view it side ways or zoom it to the max (which help tab attack for my hunter) then again, all this time I've been too busy looking at my action bar and health bar during battles to notice that, until I get ArcHUD ofc, then it's a different story :DSpeaking of faction envy, I started with a Horde and end up becoming more familiar with their quest locations to the point of not enjoying playing as an Alliance when I made a new character.
I play for the Alliance. I've rolled a couple of Horde toons, but they've never lasted very long for a number of reasons:A. I've already got alts of all the classes I want to play. The last thing I want to do is go through the levelling ANOTHER character of the same class. B: I like the Alliance areas more. I like the order of Stormwind, the peace of Ellwyn (when outside of Pornshire, anyway), the claustrophobic Ironforge, the seclusion of Teldrassil, and the haunting beauty of Darkshore and Duskwood (still my two favorite zones in the game). I've rolled one of every Horde race, and to me, none of the starter/beginning areas can hold a candle to what the Alliance has. All the Horde has is desert after wasteland after barren plains after wasteland. C: Since there's a 10char max per server, and I'm a confirmed altaholic in a GREAT guild, character space is limited. Each race spends the first 20-30 levels in their own zones, doing their own unique things, and one day I might roll a Horde character to see all of that, but after you hit that 30-mark, you're doing the same quests as characters of the other faction in all the same zones. I've run through the Plaguelands more times than I'd care to count...the last thing I wanna do is do with with ANOTHER character who's going to end up being cut off from the little financial empire I've got going amongst all my alts as well as the great social aspect of my guild. Maybe if there was some potential for cross-faction communication in the endgame (since the Horde and Alliance ARE technically teaming up to tackle the Legion and Arthas and all...), I'd be more willing to go through with it.
Alliance have humans, and humans are the most popular race in ANY game. So naturally Alliance will draw a lot of people due to that alone. this made me chuckle, not because it's not true but because I personally wouldn't roll a human in WoW. haha, my friends picked Horde because there were NO humans on that side, lol. Just struck me as humorous. Good point, though. =)
Been on both sides of the fence. I tend to just follow my RL friends on whatever server they do so we stared with Horde then went Alliance. I think both have good sides (people are the same on both sides at least from my experience) ultimately I wish I could be Horde again and may make a DK Alt on another server when the patch comes out just to make a Orc DK....or Tauren.I really want to experience the Horde side of Northrend
I'm sorry, but I hate the look of the Alliance races. I have a Human Female DK on my old PvE server (where I have my first character at 70 and I no longer play him), but I have yet to want to play her. I'm too busy playing a toon I want to.So I haven't played Alliance much. I look at gnomes and don't want to play them. I had a group of friends and myself who used to attempt to raid Hordeside and then we rerolled to Alliance and I left to be Horde on yet another server. I'll hopefully get to playing her after my pally and DK are 80 and I'm bored again. I will say one thing for Alliance: Ironforge is gorgeous. The rest can eat it.
Immaturity is on both sides. Do you not think that humans and the Forsaken tend toward a tad more immature than most other races? Where do you get the way out of level duel challenges? Brill and Goldshire, right?Not to mention Alliance used to be the "prettier" side. Not so much anymore with BEs, but... that's how I see it.The Horde just needs better hairdressers and better orthodontia. With BEs, they should have the hairdressers covered ...
Do you know how the Alliance are ferried into Northrend in the Howling Fjord? They take a boat through a fjord channel. The first time through, this is awesome. You see a burning boat hanging from the cliffs. The boat enters this harbor, does a loop through a cave, then drops you off at the dock. When you realize that you had passed that dock when you got into the harbor and the boat decided to take an extra minute to give you a tour of the area, then realize this will happen EVERY SINGLE TIME you take the boat, you are less than enthused. What happens with the Horde? That 'annoying, lame' zep flies right to the zep tower. You jump off, and you're right there in the middle of Vengeance Landing. Speaking of Vengeance Landing, the undead now no longer live in squalor. They live in what looks like a series of buildings in which Dr. Frankenstein would take up residence. That's pretty awesome, if you ask me. Warsong Hold speaks for itself. What did the Alliance get? Another castle! Woo!I couldn't shorten down this quote.. I just agree with everything! Being an Alliance player myself, i thought it was cool driving through the fjord channel the first couple of times. Ye, then it got bloody annoying. When i was travelling through Howling Fjord and got a look of the new undead questhubs the Horde got, my jaw dropped. I have played both Alliance and Horde. I started out as Alliance on a certain server 'because of my friends and family'. Then i rerolled Horde, and i fell in love. But it's not fun to play Horde when you look back at the good times you had with your friends back on Alliance, and you're stuck on a whole new server knowing hardly anyone! I broke. And i went back to my ally. I honestly wish i was Horde still. What's up with the castles! I don't like the forts and castles made out of brick. I miss the wooden savagelike feeling of being at a hordecamp!:DCome to think of it.. now that my friends and family have scattered around on the european wow realms, maybe ill pursue my beloved dream! atm im actually stuck as an Alliance in the same situation i was on my horde, about 6 months ago! Ironic.. /sob
Personally, I started out as a Hordie. I did eventually later try out the Alliance side and even later down that line came to the conclusion that I prefer the Horde to a extent. When I was playing Horde I was just casually levelling alts, nothing too serious. But being as big nerd as I am the second I found out Role-Playing servers existed I was addicted. I'd like to add to that note that not ALL Alliance players are dim-witted children who couldn't have an intellectual discussion if they were possesed by Einsteins god-damned ghost. But the majority of them do tend to flock towards the Alliance and thus brand the faction in general with a bad name. I have met very nice people in the Horde and Alliance both.To sum up what I'm trying to say between the inconsistent rambling, I prefer Horder vastly for casual playing but for Role-Play I must agree on Malagaynes note that it allows you a much higher level of freedom by playing Alliance.
horde has better races.alliance has better towns.you can make it wordier if you want or add in more things of little importance. but for me it has always been like that. so horde for me, because when i fight, i dont do so in towns.
the original necro post saying NECROED was deleted =(