I am VERY excited for the 10-man raid content. I only have 2 or 3 friends in real life that play the game, and maybe 10 others that I've met through the game that I would consider friends, and these are the only people that I really enjoy playing with. I got into a "casual" guild that was trying to get into 25-man content, and it just seemed too complicated. With 10-man raids, I'm confident I can get 9 people that I know and trust.That's not to say that all 25-mans are bad, but probably just not for me.
My play style fits TheOnyx's perfectly.I'm very casual, and dislike it when WoW starts to feel like work, or I'm somehow obligated to level faster.In fact, I'm looking forward to playing tonight because I haven't played all week.Between work, night school and Hockey (Go Canucks Go!) WoW just gets pushed to the back burner. I'm level 71 and have maybe put 4 hours in since the expansion because I'm too busy and WoW is simply entertainment.Furthermore, my guild preferences are very similar to TheOnyx's as well. I've been in the same guild for a year and half. I have 2 RL friends in it, and 8 or so people I met through WoW that I have become good friends with, we chat on TeamSpeak (yeah, we're old skool) and discuss our lives as well as WoW.Cheers, TheOnyx,We're in the same boat.
When video games become more like a job than what they're supposed to be, I begin to feel bad as I play. But that's not the case with the new expansion for WoW. I am happy to know that it accommodates casual gamers, like myself, because I can go to work, hang out with my family, and my friends, but not feel obligated to do 25-man raids, three times a week with my guild while working on my character. So overall, it was a job well done.
I do a 12 hour day at music college, then have to do domestics, work, practice, gigs etc. My wife is a nurse, and has to do funny shifts. Both of us love raids and instances, but although we are both in okish guilds, it's impossible to meet their schedules (8.30 kara= 7.30 for me in Ireland. I'm never free to play by then). I only stay in mine because of a couple of friends. I was actually thinking of trying to swap to a US server, as they are 5 hours behind me, which would mean I'd have more luck finding a spot as and when I can play. Does anyone have any tips on this?
I am not really excited about the end-game instances. Ye know why? I have NEVER done over a 5-man Instance. Why? Because everybody I meet In-Game is a ^&*git, or they just don't think I'm that good lol. Most of the people on my Server are stuck-up's that think they're good, while I have the crappiest Armor in the history of the game :PI have a couple friends, I ain't on alot so we sort of forget about eachother. I have one friend IRL that plays WoW, but we hate eachother, so that don't work out (and he on a dif. Server) so I have to meet new people through the game, and that's hard on my Server :PSo yes. I like playing with other people, but no, I ain't excited for 10-man Instances/Raids.
been casual for 4 years
Every game I've ever played from Eve-online to Everquest has had this same problem. If you produce content designed around casual gamers, the elite hard core gamers burn through it like it's nothing. Whereas if you produce content geared around the power gamers, your casual gamers get disinterested real quick. Most company's, including Blizzard, have learned to try and go the middle of the road, leaning toward their casual gamer. The reason why is if they produce content to keep up with their elitist, hard core players, casual gamers will be left behind in less time then it took them to make their characters and quit the game even faster. If a company loses their "casual gamers", they're looking at losing 60-80% of their player base. You look at losing 60% of you monthly income and tell me what you'd do. Yeah, produce content for the casual gamer. All I can say is GOOD JOB BLIZZARD!Obviously I too, am a casual gamer :)
This is where I think Blizzard actually got things completely wrong with the expansion. I think it should be the complete opposite than the way it is. From a Lore Perspective, I think it should be harder to kill Kel'Thuzhad with 10 people instead of 25 people.
Hi folks,Casual gamer here and I'm not especially thrilled about the fact that casuals now can see end-game content. It's ok and will please a lot of people but it doesn't have much impact on me.The reason is exactly the same as TheOnyx mentioned up there: I play for fun with friends and care little about the rest.I must say, I'm an oddball among my friends because I care so little about character advancement that it looks suspicious sometimes (people start to look for a reason when you repeatedly pass on drops).But, it was not always like that. A long time ago, I was raiding with my pals and a lot of strangers I thought were my friends. The hardcores of the guild sunk so much in their interest for character advancement that it blinded them to the social aspects. It was a downward spiral that ended up spawning too much drama and the guild blew up.It was a real eye-opener. I've learned to trust only my RL friends and that the real fun part of Wow was about spending time with them doing something we all enjoy without the hassle of putting up face-to-face meetings.The rest is all crap you eventually get sick of, like any other video game.As you can guess, I care very little about which type of players the game accomodate the better. With 10 mil players of all kind, I don't think Wow will ever go broke but if it does, me and my pals will simply switch to another game.Barns.
Most people here say they're casual players, which isn't too hard to believe because I don't think hardcore players have enough time to post in forums ;)But on topic, I think Blizzard made things a tad too easy in WotLK. No keys required for heroics, easy raids... I mean, it's good for the casual player, but I believe it's also a bit too easy for the casual player.
WOTLK so far is just too easy. Maybe its because those of us who raided before came in with theorycrafted itemization from BT and beyond... is it right that our 70 epics are still the best gear to start raiding with? I think blizzard might have caved-in to people's desires to keep their 70 gear and avoid a reset of all they've accomplished, but it happed with TBC and it wasn't long before those who didn't want to give up their T2/3 were having fun in Kara epics just the same.But the point of the 70 raid gear being better is not just for gear's sake, but in TBC the fact that your old gear sucked WAS the pacing mechanism. You had a tough time going through these instances... it took strategic pulling and figuring out mechanics of mobs, and you needed to have run difficult instances and heroics in order to finish Kara. Keys and attunements are a terrible way to pace the game, Blizzard agreed, but they should have put 'something' in that was difficult. Sure, its difficult to AOE run halls of lightning on heroic the second you turn 80 - BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE AT ALL.I agree with everyone who plays to play with people they know, I'm not hardcore, but is a game really a game if there isn't a challenge? I really hope it isn't blizzard's plan to carebear the PvE content and make PvP the 'hardcore' section of the game.
I am definitely a casual player.. I enjoyed the 25-mans a few days prior to release of WotLK, but I am just not able to raid during the week.That said, I don't play at all currently. My computer is simply not good enough to run WotLK smoothly and can't handle all the people online in the same spot. It isn't fun for me to play at all so I can't be bothered to do so.
I definitely see both sides of the coin: playing a game like this and feeling like you finished the content in a week after a major release is not optimal. However, I think it is also not optimal to engineer the game in such a way that casual players never see certain content. For example: When Burning Crusades came out, I had three level 60 characters, When Wrath of the Lich King came out, I had 2 60s, 2 70s, and a 55. However, through all the time, I never once have done a Molten Core run. The amount of preparation you had to do before BC came out was ridiculous. I've only been up to the first boss in Hyjal for the same reason. I've always been really excited to experience the Hyjal content because I played Warcraft III and thought it would be awesome to see it from another perspective. However, that content remains closed off to me at this time. I'd like to think there's a balance somewhere that would accommodate both sides.
Since you gave your background, here's mine. My neighbor owned a video arcade, so starting at 3 years old in 1978 I had Pac Man, Space Invaders, Asteroids... all the classics in my neighbor's garage. By 1981, I had my first computer. An Atari 800 XL, 64 KB ram and a tape cassette drive (got a floppy drive for xmas, which cost, at the time $250). My first HUGE computer gaming obsession was ultima 3 in 1983 at 8 years old... it only has grown from there.I consider myself a hybrid Hardcore/Casual. Before LK came out, I had 8 level 70's, but none had gear beyond Kara (except badges). I despise 25-man raids because you spend 30 minutes explaining a fight, and then someone screws up in the first 10 seconds... lather, rinse, repeat. It was only worse pre-BC with the 40-mans, because someone was always leaving to go poop or something.So I play a lot, I consider myself quite knowledgable about a great many aspects of how to play each character class, but I'm very much a loner, or small-group kind of person.
I'm a pretty casual player, but only because I'm not so good at the game and don't have any friends who play.I'm casual, but I play for several hours a night and dream about leveling almost every night. I rush home from work so I can play. If I spend 24 hours without playing WoW, I get a little anxious.But I've only done two instances, and my main is only level 51.My reflexes aren't what they were 20 years ago.
I enjoy playing solo and with friends. When leveling, it almost always works out better for me to solo because the friends I play with tend to move a little faster paced than I do. I'm just slow for some reason. :) But for PvP, I much prefer playing with my friends. I don't really raid at all.I enjoy arena a lot with my RL friends. We do arena for fun more than points.
I think blizz has the right idea, just coulda been implement a whisker better. What they have done is attempt to pander to everyone, the casual to hardcore gamer and come out poorly. The hardcore gamer in his T6 just swims straight through WotLK and straight into end-game, heck my T4/T5 gear is still doing the job at level 77. It just dont seem right.Basically making the 10 and 25 man raids with slightly different gear is great and gives everyone a chance to see however, the trip there is just too easy.
I do believe that they have made the game to casual. I was one of the few people to ever kill Kel'Thuzad in the 40 man version at lvl 60. At the same time on the server there was people that couldnt get past the first pull in MC. I played when you use to PVE to get better gear for PVP. Personally I like what blizzard did with BC, when the raids came out they were for the hardcore players, but when the next tier came out the dumbed down the old ones.Finally to Onyx if you had put the time in that you have on your alts into only 1 character you easily could have seen end game contact. My guild only raids 4 days a week from 7-11 and we downed KJ.So to summerize I think the developers have listened to the casual gamers to much and will prolly loose its hardcore gamers when the next big game comes out, and once the hardcore are gone and talking about how good the new game is the casuals will follow.
You all claim casual, but I am the embodiment of casual. I have been playing since about a month after the release of BC, and my main is level 65. I have several 25ish alts. Now THAT is a casual player. Work, college, girlfriend, three children, and a tutoring business. I get a couple good hours each week and occasionally will pull the all-nighter to do some college work and follow it up with 4-5 hours of WoW before the family wakes up.I can't wait to experience some WotLK content. I hope to someday see some end-game stuff, but with my limited schedule I am into PvP more. Heck, I haven't even made it into the Arena yet for crying out loud. Just when I'm within a few levels of the cap, the cap moves on me. Drat! = )
I do believe that they have made the game to casual. I was one of the few people to ever kill Kel'Thuzad in the 40 man version at lvl 60. At the same time on the server there was people that couldnt get past the first pull in MC. I played when you use to PVE to get better gear for PVP. Personally I like what blizzard did with BC, when the raids came out they were for the hardcore players, but when the next tier came out the dumbed down the old ones.Finally to Onyx if you had put the time in that you have on your alts into only 1 character you easily could have seen end game contact. My guild only raids 4 days a week from 7-11 and we downed KJ.So to summerize I think the developers have listened to the casual gamers to much and will prolly loose its hardcore gamers when the next big game comes out, and once the hardcore are gone and talking about how good the new game is the casuals will follow.That's "too casual," "there were," "used to," "end-game content," "summarize," "too much," and "PROBABLY lose."If that wasn't enough, you showed the world that your logic process is completely shot with the comment, "we only raid 16 hours per week." Yes, I has had a bad day. Unpossible, I no. Deel with it.