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The Impact of the "Hall of Fame" Raid Achievements in Battle for Azeroth

posted 9 days ago by Anshlun

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Build 26310 - Initial Achievement inclusion datamining

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IntroductionMolten CoreOnyxia's LairRealm FirstRealm First! Conqueror of Naxxramas

Hall of Fame: G'huun (Alliance)

Hall of Fame: G'huun (Horde)

award the title PvP Reward Changes

'Tis The Season
Legion is also bringing several changes to how PvP seasons, as well as their rewards, will work. Over the years, we've seen the high-end PvP community tend to flock to one faction over the other, even if it's not the faction they'd prefer. Racial balance is an important part of that, but we also think many players tend to simply choose the faction where they feel the best players are.

So, in Legion, we'll be handing out end-of-season PvP awards separately to the top percentages of players in each faction, instead of in relation to the overall player base. That means that, even if you believe one faction to have an advantage over the other, you can still play the one you want to, without having to worry about losing your shot at Gladiator.

Raider.ioHall of FameAntorus, the Burning ThroneNote: The eventual balance of the tier would likely be different had this system been in place since the beginning of it. This analysis was done only to exemplify what such a change can mean to top guilds.Current StateApril 1st, 2018550 guildsMythic: Argus the Unmaker Guild Run385 Horde165 AllianceHall of Fame ImpactRealm First! Argus the UnmakerRealm First! Gul'dan

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Total Realms

119

122

260

Realm First Available

March, 7thFebruary, 5thtop 100th Alliance guild was 373rd overall49 out of the 10096 of the 20055 out of 10041 out of 100174 out of 26070Social Impact

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Comment by Flyn I for one think it is a bad thing to start having those limited achievement, especially since I see nowhere any reward for killing G'huun on MM. A title bound to the first 100 guild realmwide to down a boss doesn't fix anything that other people already pointed out. Neither would another reward on top of the mound, achievement and title. It would just add salt to the wound. Comment by Angelar There is something that some guilds do currently. They make a new guild, kill M Argus, and then leave the guild aside from a few anchor characters and do it over again. Like on US-Illidan the guilds "Anger" and "Nark and Friends" which are the same guild and "Red Alert" whom I assume are transfers. These guilds had the kills then reformed in new guilds to take up another spot. Since the progression of these things is community driven the person that runs wowprogress.com can just give the same world kill number to the aforementioned guilds but they still take up slots on the indivual realm listing.

Also what if you faction change after a clear and get it on both horde and alliance? I mean it's technically fair if someone wants to pay money to do that, but when it's a Blizzard run ranking should it be built to prevent these types of things? Or could say the top 10 guilds do re-clears in a new guild every week taking X amount of spots from other players/guilds? Comment by BendakWoW The new Hall of Fame titles might stop the bleeding, but I don't see it changing the balance of factions for high end PVE. Over the course of several expansions it might eventually balance out, which might be their goal.

But asking your whole guild to pay for realm+faction transfers to Alliance for the possibility of a title is a tall order. Say you have a roster of 25 and everyone has an average of 2 alts that need to tag along... that's $165 per member or $4125 USD for everyone (less for faction change only, but realm change is probably necessary for recruitment pool on the other faction). I think its time Blizzard let you take multiple toons along for your transfers (or at least have some kind of package deal). There's also a good chance some of those members would just prefer to stay where they are and join another guild because they genuinely prefer Horde and don't care about the title.

Racial abilities are an issue, but at least blood elf is being nerfed in BfA which will help with the crazy M+ imbalance. Troll might be an outlier for some specs in raids, but Alliance has some good DPS racials for some classes as well (dwarf and human are good for many specs, for example). Comment by avatarofshadow Just give the Alliance a 70 percent boost to EVERYTHING. That'll even us out. Comment by voreo This sort of change furthers my theory that they're gonna be making a Megaserver push soon. Comment by Kurias This seems like an interesting experiment but I wonder why it matters in the first place. It seems that at best roughly 10% or less of total subscribers are running mythic raids and fewer than that competitively. Why should it matter what color flag they choose to worship? Lower population realms might be affected heavily by this change as it removes one of the benefits of being in them--smaller competition.Comment by sorrowdemonica The charts point out that the Racial advantages between Alliance and Horde races need to either be removed or simply disabled in rated PvP and Raid. That's the reason why the top guilds, especially the ones who historically were Alliance raiding guilds and arena teams jumped ship over to the Horde when their racials gave their players a competitive edge over the past couple expansions, etc.

Really sad to see Blizzard doesn't even the playing field when it comes to competitive content such as Rated PvP and Mythic Raiding as even a 1% boost in a stat or damage granted by uneven racials means the difference between a kill or a <5% wipe in raiding content, or your healer dying to a measly 10k overkill damage before they could get off their 60% heal in pvp. Comment by Revenor
Yes, I get that it makes recruiting hard for you. My question though is what does it matter to the majority of players, those of us who do not raid or if we do, will not be going anywhere near the competitive end of it? Why do we care if all the raiders just go Horde side? I will grant that it would make more sense to just allow cross realm stuff, that way you could ally with other guilds on other realms to do the content if you wanted. At the end of the day I don’t see how it matters terribly to anyone other than role players what faction you do your PvE competition on.Comment by nathasil No, it won't work. The reasons why are even stated in this article:
1) Running a 3man PvP team requires almost no recruitment compared to running a 20man mythic progression guild. It's like comparing driving a car and flying a jet plane. The time requirements are just magnitudes of order apart.

2) As the article states, there are still realms out there with even Gul'dan mythic serverfirst available for grabs. If Mythic guilds cared about titels, they would have long spread out to those low-pop realms to grab their achievemets - but they don't. They simply don't. That's a fact. Nobody wants to transfer with a healthy 20+10 roster to a low-pop realm for grabbing realm-firsts, only to have people leave and leave, and leave as they ALWAYS do and not being able to replace them on an almost empty realm..so you entire guild breaks up because it can no longer raid mythic at all.

Granted, x-fering to a high-pop Alliance server may not be as bad as x-fering to an almost empty realm for Server-First achievements - but looking at the 70:30 ratio every Horde GM knows: Recruitment will be more than twice as hard on Alliance side than it is now on Horde. And it will get even worse, when some Top-Guild actually DO transfer and drain the small pool of available players dry. It may even out eventually...at some distant, future point...but coupled with the fact that WoW ALYWAYS loses players after an expansion launch and never gains them....would you really bet on that to happen if yu were a Horde Mythic-Guild leader? I have strong doubts about it. Comment by Kurias
Yes, I get that it makes recruiting hard for you. My question though is what does it matter to the majority of players, those of us who do not raid or if we do, will not be going anywhere near the competitive end of it? Why do we care if all the raiders just go Horde side? I will grant that it would make more sense to just allow cross realm stuff, that way you could ally with other guilds on other realms to do the content if you wanted. At the end of the day I don’t see how it matters terribly to anyone other than role players what faction you do your PvE competition on.Comment by sinangelus I don’t think it matters at all. I am wondering why blizzard even needs to fix it? What does it matter if there is a faction imbalance for this particular issue? It would be far less costly if they just lowered the price of faction changes for mythic raiders so they can all just move Horde side than it would be to use development resources to craft a solution. I am trying to see the business sense in this.Comment by Kurias I don’t think it matters at all. I am wondering why blizzard even needs to fix it? What does it matter if there is a faction imbalance for this particular issue? It would be far less costly if they just lowered the price of faction changes for mythic raiders so they can all just move Horde side than it would be to use development resources to craft a solution. I am trying to see the business sense in this.Comment by westomopresto Horde / Alliance should have always had separate Glad/Mythic firsts. this is long over due Comment by Revenor
Yes, I get that it makes recruiting hard for you. My question though is what does it matter to the majority of players, those of us who do not raid or if we do, will not be going anywhere near the competitive end of it? Why do we care if all the raiders just go Horde side? I will grant that it would make more sense to just allow cross realm stuff, that way you could ally with other guilds on other realms to do the content if you wanted. At the end of the day I don’t see how it matters terribly to anyone other than role players what faction you do your PvE competition on.Comment by Castrum Giving the removed handouts so they stop crying about being baddies. Lulul. Comment by deathlavitz Looks like if you're alliance and already a cutting edge guild you'll get hall of fame to - i mean i hear plenty of guild going from alliance to horde. Granted its rumours but it must mean something about the racials being unbalanced. Comment by elvor0 So basically "Pay for Achievements" since the top 100 guilds are always going to be those whose members run expensive gaming computers. Might just as well tell the player base that Guild Achievements are no longer for Guilds of friends but only for guilds run like corporations!Comment by Zlozla Put these achievements so people buy more tokens for rl cash to pay boosters with gold afterwards. It's so obvious, if you cared about raiding you wouldn't put titanforge in game at first place How about to return 10 man raiding? I mean relevant 10 man raiding with top gear like it used to be? Do you know how many guilds you %^&*ed up with these mythic restriction of 20 man (including mine) ? Sadly you are bloody joke Blizzard i have to say. Comment by Blahblahwhatever Looks like if you're alliance and already a cutting edge guild you'll get hall of fame to - i mean i hear plenty of guild going from alliance to horde. Granted its rumours but it must mean something about the racials being unbalanced.It matters because Horde have a larger pool of players thanks to the bias against Alliance since WoW's inception.Comment by prettz182 I think this can be fixed easily but getting the community on bored would take alot. Eventually we are going to see a threat so big that Alliance and Horde must work together for the greater good. You would have thought this would already be a thing seeing how many times we have responded to giant threats but nope still gotta keep the war effort going. I mean what would be so hard about implementing it so alliance can join horde guilds and vis versa. Pvp? Easy fix would just be that pvp would still be faction based for old pvp grounds and arena would now be skirmishs mixed with 2 teams doesnt matter about faction. I mean it would take some effort but I think it would fix a lot of problems going forward with wow. Just an idea. Anyone else have Ideas?

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