Thank you for this update. Gives me slight hope
If you want legacy servers now is the time to push a bit harder.
I personally like the idea of this Pristine Realm. Without all of that gear and experience helpers... I think it would really feel like an entirely different game, and bring back that crowd that wants to play the raw way.
Oh they were closely following the discussion and appreciate our thoughts? That's weird because I saw people deleting Nostalrius threads left and right as though they were trying to suppress information. How strange. It's almost as though they tried to sweep this under the rug and didn't realize how big it was. I find it curious that Blizzard is backing off of their previous stance of "You think you want that, but you don't". What happened to that? Do you think they realized that was unprofessional answer at long last? Thank Christ it's about time they stopped acting like children. But now they've gone and made it worse by lying and saying how they've been thinking about doing classic servers "all along". What an absolute emberassment. Blizzard ought to be ashamed of themselves. The Nostalrius crew has offered to work on the classic server as a part of their dev team FOR FREE and they've been denied that. I don't buy all this talk about how difficult it would be when a bunch of independents managed it on their own. They're offering to do this for you Blizzard! Just let them!
The thing to take from this to all that supports Nostalrius: Stop posting screaming topics on the forum at this point and wait for the Nostalrius team to take up the mantle for you. Your complaints got far enough so that Blizzard responded to it, and them being in dialogue with the Nostalrius team could mean the beginning of something being set up via the base game they had gotten established. The raw data Might be something Blizzard can use to provide for this sort of thing down the line.However, you need to trust the two halves with this now. If the complaints keeps rushing in and they need to delete thread after threat on the forum for months on end, it will make the playerbase that wants the classic servers seem petty and annoying. Essentially making a cause for nostalgics gamers instead look like a crusade for trolls.Praise the gods of the machines that it have come this far, but know when a sensible time is to lay off things for a bit. Knowing when to push is the key to getting things done. :)
"We explored options for developing classic servers and none could be executed without great difficulty. If we could push a button and all of this would be created, we would. However, there are tremendous operational challenges to integrating classic servers, not to mention the ongoing support of multiple live versions for every aspect of WoW." Pay that "pirate" server to do it for you. Hire them. Charge a monthly fee like you do now, and give them a cut. LMAO this is so stupid."One other note - we’ve recently been in contact with some of the folks who operated Nostalrius. They obviously care deeply about the game, and we look forward to more conversations with them in the coming weeks." -- i.e. if you start it back up, there will be a tremendous lawsuit headed your way, in the name of $2.25 million a month in lost revenues.Lame. They COULD do it... they don't WANT TO DO IT. Just say that, instead of having this poor little CM be the voice of the all-mighty Blizzard Entertainment.
Pristine realms are not what we are asking for, Blizzard. You can't give us a pear when we clearly asked for an apple. They're similar, but NOT the same. I also find huge BS in them stating it "would be too hard". Nost did it and look how small their team was! Also, why not just hire those people? Or use their already finished coding? None of this makes sense expect "don't wanna do it! NOPE!"
"We explored options for developing classic servers and none could be executed without great difficulty. If we could push a button and all of this would be created, we would. However, there are tremendous operational challenges to integrating classic servers, not to mention the ongoing support of multiple live versions for every aspect of WoW."I get that Blizzard needs to protect there IP. And that it just isn't as simple as just letting Nostalrius run with Blizzards blessing. It's the price we pay for bureaucracy. What I don't understand is the part I just quoted...or maybe Blizz just doesn't know that Nostalrius is releasing there source code for there server to the public. Unless I was missinformed. Seems like all the challenges were smoothed out by Nostalrius. It may not be as simple as a button press, but I imagine it's as simple as hiring the folks of Nostalrius to regulate the Legacy servers. I would bet that would bypass that whole lawyer/legality situation along with technical issues.Or maybe I'm just over simplifiying this. I'm not mad or anything, just confused as to why this is so hard for the behemoth company Blizzard-Activision to do.
maybe a classic server come up by Blizzard and no !@#$ stuffs only classic :3
I understand why they had to do it. Though opening legacy servers would really be great. Along with retail subscription it would bring many players for sure. :)
A step foward with communication, I do want to PTR/test out how these ''Pristine'' servers would go... but what people want is Vanilla servers with Vanilla content and Vanillla everything. I'd not argue against having both and testing for both, that way we can actually appeal to a broader audience of the game.
Well how hard would it be to have, depending on which expansion you were in, have your level and gear adjusted to those specifications? For instance, you're in top Warlords gear, you want to do Ony. When you enter the vanilla world zone, your level and gear downgrades to the stats of that expansion. You get downgraded to level 60 and your gear gets downgraded to whatever was the highest ilvl for that expansion and so on for BC, Wrath and Cata zones. The only downside I can see to that is if someone wants to farm Ony, you wouldn't be able to because it would now take a full 40 man raid to beat her as before. (Tbh I never liked Blizzard's enactment of the raid difficulty modes anyways. It's a world. You can either kill the boss or you can't - but that's another story).
Personally, I don't believe Blizzard's side of the story. "....failure to protect against intellectual property infringement would damage Blizzard’s rights". If Blizzard gave Nostalrius a licence to run their server(s) then there wouldn't BE any IP infringement, and there wouldn't be any "damage" to Blizzard, just as there isn't at the moment. That paragraph is all legalese, it's the sound of well-paid lawyers earning $1,000's per hour, and is NOT an excuse for Blizzard to whine.My view is that Blizzard have simply issued an ultimatum to Nostalrius saying "either you pay us $x,000 per month as a licence fee or we shut you down", and Nostalrius simply can't afford the figure. Blizzard isn't putting ANY effort whatsoever into keeping Classic WoW going or developing it, because they can't be bothered. Even though it's what an enormous number of fans want.Blizzard is PRETENDING to be sympathetic with WoW fans, but in reality they are just using corporate and legal muscle to destroy Nostalrius. And this idea of a "pristine realm" is simply a diversionary tactic which they hope will split the Classic fans and divide the opposition. (And judging by one of the replies above from tylercmaple (who may of course be a Blizzard plant) it might work. I hope it doesn't.)One thing that everybody needs to be aware of - this debate seems pretty deeply felt by the fans. If Blizzard don't resolve this situation to the satisfaction of the majority of the fans, it may leave such a bitter taste that it could further accelerate the decline of WoW, and mean that after Legion, WoW will effectively come to an end. I just hope Blizzard behave wisely, and don't precipitate that situation. The ball is most definitely in their court.
Down vote me to hell if you want, but while I RESPECT what players want, If I were in charge at Blizzard, I would give the same response, and I assure you that you will never have "Legacy Servers".Why? Because this is how this works, we (blizzard) are offering you THIS game, in THIS state. If you don't like it, by all means Farewell.Can any of you imagine the EA Response if someone, or a group of players start asking for "Legacy Battlefield 3 Servers"? A server without the nerfs, and modifications the game has suffered during the years. What do you think EA would do? Exactly, they would LoL.I'm a player since WotLK launched, I still think that It was the best expansion, but the thought of asking for a wotlk server does not cross my mind, in fact it sound ridiculous to me.I insist, I respect what players want, but no matter what do you want to believe, the game belongs to Blizzard, not to you, not to me, no to any player, and it's their decision what matters, if losing money, and complicated development is necessary for what you want, I would refuse too, without a doubt.