To say that flying has had no adverse affect on WPVP is just wrong.What is the first thing you do when you are out alone in a PVP realm? You get in the air if you can or you get on a mount if you can't fly. To stray more off topic, I have to disagree with this -Flying mounts are ruining world pvp!Wrong. People not participating in world pvp is what ruined world pvp. With the BoA gear actually being BoA now, all of you people who want no flying can reroll on a low pop server and just go frelling nuts on each other.World PvP essentially died the moment Blizz launched the first battleground.Before then it only existed because that was the only damn way to actually PvP.WPVP has died down because of actions Blizzard has taken over the years. It's not one individual decision by Blizzard but the culmination of a series of decisions that have lead to a drop in WPVP.WPVP is not about raiding Org or SW, it is the spontaneous thing that happens when players of different factions go from A to B. Anything that shortens that or makes travel redundant or separates the factions will adversely affect WPVP and of course Blizzard have done a whole range of things like that over the years.For example, having Heirlooms, accelerating the levelling curve, having rest bonuses, completing quests without having to return to the quest giver, making profession gathering easier and guild perks will adversely affect WPVP.Making questing less appealing such as what happened as a result of the Shattering after which the numbers of people questing collapsed.Having overpowered guards meaning that you can't attack settlements unless you are level 90 or you have to avoid other players because they are too close to these guards.Where have you got WPVP in MOP? Well there was the 85-90 questing zones at the beginning of MOP, Thunder Isle, the Timeless Isle, and the rep and farm dailies. Why, because you have the factions in proximity of each other and with the exception of the dailies, you have no flying.In summary, the demise of WPVP is really Blizzards fault not the players.
In summary, the demise of WPVP is really Blizzards fault not the players.I respectfully disagree.I've been in guilds who organized WPvP with opposing factions, this was made incredibly easier with the implementation of Real-ID.You cannot blame everything on the actions of Blizzard, whilst they strive to make the game more accessible the responsibility of keeping a niche activity like WPvP has to fall on the players themselves.Giving a player the option to mount up and fly away from a hotspot if he or she does not want to be ganked is in no way detrimental to WPvP.Your comment would be like me blaming FIFA because the World Cup means half of my raiding team isn't logging on in the evenings.
i have no problem with this enjoy the game see everything new in the game
I can only think that it is the farmers whom are complaining about this. Since they can't jump from spot to spot and farm a node or what not. Personally we have been "flightless" until we reach a max level for the past several expansions, so what is waiting for a patch gonna do? Hmmmm, make people actually work at levelling a toon instead of carried to maybe? Keep prices for mats in AH reasonable? Who knows, but the complaining will never stop. You can never please everyone, I for one and just dang glad the beta is out...can't wait for an invite!
This is actually a very momentous decision for Blizzard and I hope to god that they stick with it. If I recall, this is the first time in the history of the game that Blizz has actually removed a big convenience in the game for the sake of improvement. Of course people are going to be upset about it, but what people don't realize is that convenience =/= fun. If Blizz decided to give level 1's an option to press one button and teleport to the last boss and kill him in one hit, that would be no fun right? The point is that a game can be too convenient and finally Blizzard seems to be recognizing that, even though most players won't at first.Next they should get rid of that god-forsaken LFR. If they want to provide easier options for players, just add another difficulty setting in all raids or better yet, divide the servers by raid difficulty so everyone has a place that suits them best
And they should have world bosses walk through lowbie areas! Silly lowbies, expecting to face level-appropriate challenges. It ruins the immersion! Lowbies should regularly be slaughtered by the score, just to show them the value of being able to run at the first sign of trouble.
I personally have been playing since BC and i struggled so hard to get flying back then, but i do like the idea of not having flying until 100 just as BC,WoTLK and Pandaria. although i do see it as unfair that blizzard made all these spectacular flying mounts that are only obtainable through IRL money and now they take away flying? some people will see that as enough to never play again, but some will see it as and "oh well" moment.i like that blizzard are considering the fact that the game has become so much of a sandbox game, and they are responding to the negative feedback players have been giving about it being so easy, the game was always complicated and now even more so, i have found countless members in my guild that are so confused as they level their mains, the older generations (ones that have seen an expansion or two) try to help but its like chasing a headless chicken they just don't know, but at the same time i have seen these "Noobs" learn so quickly that they pick up the game like they have been around for all the expansions. the point is that the ones that complain that its"too hard" are the ones not willing to put effort into the game and learn, they simply want everything handed to them on a silver platteri think blizzard are trying to combine new and old gamer's to make a good gaming community but many are so against it that they do nothing but complain rather than stepping back and realizing that there will always be new and old gamer's.good job blizzard but i will add that i personally think flying should be available as soon as you hit 100, maybe blizzard can make some restrictions on flying (only level 100 characters can use the 2 person flying mounts) that would take out the skip all this because that's not where the quests are attitude.p.s please bring back the restriction where you could only enter a dungeon or raid if you have previously traveled there
these spectacular flying mounts that are only obtainable through IRL moneyAll of the pet store mounts can be used as ground mounts...and as they've already said, all flying mounts will be usable as ground mounts come WoD.
I have been playing since 2004 as many of you have. While I love flying and the choice it gives me I am kind of looking forward to getting back to the roots of the game. Epic battles between huge groups in Southshore were great, but now you can literally go hours without seeing anyone. Maybe this will help put some fun back into epic battles between the factions that we have long missed. Will be fun for a while and when flying is finally allowed I will enjoy the game from above again.
Reading this thread just makes my mind go "holy *!@# people are lazy".I can agree that it would be a bit "meh" when leveling alts, what Blizzard should have done is introduce more things to keep people interested as they go through Draenor, and not only waiting with baited breath for max level.But really, this is an MMO. Things are supposed to take time. It's because we have all of these convenient fast ways to get our will through that people are in constant whine of new content.Welp, I'm still going to play the expansion, but that's another interesting idea gone due people that are too chicken$%^& to try out "new" things before they rage, especially when things like these are a matter of getting used to and see how optimized travel will be.GG.
In the beta I've actually enjoyed the ground mounts fine. I enjoyed the zones and the leveling, and this is after I haven't enjoyed that sort of thing in the game in many years. I didn't think I would like the graphics but I really do. I can't say I ever felt annoyed I couldn't fly, and this includes my exploration of high level zones at a relatively low level where I had a huge aggro radius and was dying all the time. The only thing that annoyed me that I can think of is that Shattrath and Karabor are inaccessible, and I wanted to see them as busy hubs. But maybe that will come in future patches. Anyway the ground mounting was fine.