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5.4 PTR: Celestial Tournament Updates and Legendary Questline Clarifications

posted 2013/07/31 at 10:53 AM by perculia

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Sha-Touched Gems from 5.0 and the Eye of the Black Prince from 5.1 will not work on new items from Siege of Orgrimmar in 5.4. Eye of the Black Prince can still be used on Throne of Thunder raid weapons.

The legendary meta gems from Patch 5.2 will work on Siege of Orgrimmar helms from Patch 5.4.

Indomitable Primal Diamond is getting some changes so tanks will prefer this meta over the dps one.

For players who have diligently worked on the legendary questline each patch, it's intended that their cloaks will be completed very early on in 5.4. This will allow the cloaks to be of use in progressing through Siege of Orgrimmar, instead of being completed when the content is more trivial.

The proc on Fen-Yu, Fury of Xuen for hunters has planned changes.

Click the cut for the blue posts!Sha-Touched Gems and Sockets

Lore

The legendary meta gem will still function, but Sha-touched gems and sockets will not be applicable to new 5.4 items.
We updated the 5.2 weapons to allow the additional socket (but not the Sha-touched gems) because a very large number of players were getting their extra sockets just in time for the patch to drop (and thus, would only be able to use their reward for a week or two). That's not the case with 5.4. The 5.2 legendary meta gem will continue to function, and the 5.3 epic cloak will upgrade into the 5.4 legendary.

We feel that, at this point, the Sha-Touched gem and socket have had plenty of time to be useful and it's time for them to go. As Lothrik mentioned, we'll be balancing content assuming that they're not present anyway. That said, nothing on the PTR is final, and we are still open to discussion on the topic.

Indomitable Primal Diamond

Lore

One extra note: we will be buffing the Tank (Indomitable Primal Diamond) meta gem in a future build. We'll be removing the haste scaling from its proc chance, but increasing its base chance by 50%. That should make it activate much more regularly, even for tanks who stack haste, than the previous iteration.

We recognize that a lot of tanks are preferring the DPS meta gem at the moment, and we'd like to correct that, but we'd like to do it by making you like the tank gem, not by nerfing the DPS gem.

Legendary Cloaks

Lore

Assuming you're all caught up on the quest, yes! You should be able to get your legendary cloak pretty quickly once Patch 5.4 hits.

The reasoning is simple: we want you to be able to use it for progression. Past legendaries (including the earlier bits of the Mists of Pandaria chain) have typically taken a pretty decent amount of time before you're able to get them. That's great for heading into the next tier (or finishing up the current one), but when the next tier is in a new expansion, it can leave them feeling a little... flat. You end up using them mostly for farm, and then you replace them once the next expansion hits and you outlevel them.

It also feels a little strange thematically. "We need to properly gear you for the fight against the Lich King so uh... go kill the Lich King!" Bit awkward, but required for gameplay purposes. A legendary doesn't feel terribly legendary if there's no effort involved in obtaining it.

So, since you've been working so closely with Wrathion over the course of the expansion already, it makes sense that he'd want to equip you properly for the final resolution of the Alliance vs Horde conflict -- before you set foot in Orgrimmar. And since you've put in so much effort up til this point (starting in patch 5.0 and continuing up through patch 5.3), we don't really need to add more.

We've obviously been experimenting a bit with how players earn legendaries in this expansion, so continued feedback (both on how you earn them as well as the actual legendary items themselves) is extremely valuable. Thanks!
We actually have an alternate proc in the works for Hunters, we just weren't able to get it ready in time for this PTR push. Giving you the melee proc off of your pets was just a temporary measure :)

Comments

Comment by IcyFrozen The blue text on getting our cloaks quickly after 5.4, does that imply nerfs to the challenges or the effect of item level creep? Frankly I'm more excited about them nerfing the stupid bloods in Xuen's challenge then I am about Timeless Isle. Comment by CalaelenDT The blue text on getting our cloaks quickly after 5.4, does that imply nerfs to the challenges or the effect of item level creep? Comment by Siegfrid I honestly had no problem doing the healer challenge, don't really know about the others, but the healers one was not that hard :) Comment by groovz I honestly had no problem doing the healer challenge, don't really know about the others, but the healers one was not that hard :)Comment by Mantrhax Lore
You should be able to get your legendary cloak pretty quickly once Patch 5.4 hits.

I dont think so, i gave up trying to pass de DPS quest, looks like its made for few ones that can do it, not for the average player.

Why one quest is easier and the other one almost impossible? is that "working as intended" or just BS from dev's? Comment by CalaelenDT The only reason the Melee challenge was "difficult" was because the ground thing that Wrathion does would hit you even if you were well out of the graphic.

Took me a few attempts to figure out the mechanics, but other than that it wasn't that bad and I quite enjoyed the challenge.

This is the prime example of never being able to do the right thing though, if they add in something that's a challenge people complain how hard it is and if they make it super easy people complain how it's so faceroll wellfare. Comment by BosephHeyden They really need to make the legendary cloak upgradeable...or just make it iLevel 608 naturally. The melee strength proc is a cleave, and seems really useless (in fact, it seems like it will cause more harm than good, since there are bound to be close-quarter fights where not hitting an opponent is ideal). The whole idea of a legendary is that it is supposed to be better than every other item that is current at the time. But if I have to choose between losing eight item levels and useful stats to gain a cleave? Ten times out of ten I'm choosing stats.

Also, on the challenges. I think that's the first thing Blizzard did right with this quest chain. LFR raiders and regular raiders have been on equal footing for a type of item that, by nature, is supposed to be hard to gain while it is current. Beating the melee challenge as a Frost DK was the single most rewarding experience I've had in all of MoP, and that is sad. From the beginning, they should have at least allowed regular raiders to gain Sigils, Secrets, and Runestones on regular boss drops as well as LFR boss drops, since they're really the only ones that will see an actual benefit. It will be really depressing once 5.4 hits and I see RPers that only do LFR for story purposes slowly walking around the Shrine in their white gear wearing a cloak they have no business owning. Comment by Rankkor The only reason the Melee challenge was "difficult" was because the ground thing that Wrathion does would hit you even if you were well out of the graphic.

Took me a few attempts to figure out the mechanics, but other than that it wasn't that bad and I quite enjoyed the challenge.

This is the prime example of never being able to do the right thing though, if they add in something that's a challenge people complain how hard it is and if they make it super easy people complain how it's so faceroll wellfare.They really need to make the legendary cloak upgradeable...or just make it iLevel 608 naturally. The melee strength proc is a cleave, and seems really useless (in fact, it seems like it will cause more harm than good, since there are bound to be close-quarter fights where not hitting an opponent is ideal). The whole idea of a legendary is that it is supposed to be better than every other item that is current at the time. But if I have to choose between losing eight item levels and useful stats to gain a cleave? Ten times out of ten I'm choosing stats.Comment by Agramon You do realize that the legendary version of the cloak, even in its ilvl 600 state STILL has better stats than the 608 version of the DPS cloak. Right? So you're gaining more stats AND gaining a useful proc. Cleave or not, extra free damage is extra free damage, you can still do your normal rotation while the cleave is happening.CompareComment by Rimischonie really why giving us so many ways to optain something in the whole addon when the final battle against garrosh is incoming and we can't use them...
Why we had worked for months on a weapon 500stats GEM?
Why we had worked for months on a secondary slot for weapons?
When we can't freaking use them in the final battle?

Wasn't it all from Wrathion that we are prepared and armed for it?
Even Lore added it to his post:
So, since you've been working so closely with Wrathion over the course of the expansion already, it makes sense that he'd want to equip you properly for the final resolution of the Alliance vs Horde conflict -- before you set foot in Orgrimmar. And since you've put in so much effort up til this point (starting in patch 5.0 and continuing up through patch 5.3), we don't really need to add more.Comment by CalaelenDT
You do realize that the legendary version of the cloak, even in its ilvl 600 state STILL has better stats than the 608 version of the DPS cloak. Right? So you're gaining more stats AND gaining a useful proc. Cleave or not, extra free damage is extra free damage, you can still do your normal rotation while the cleave is happening.Comment by m0f0 Lore
You should be able to get your legendary cloak pretty quickly once Patch 5.4 hits.

I dont think so, i gave up trying to pass de DPS quest, looks like its made for few ones that can do it, not for the average player.

Why one quest is easier and the other one almost impossible? is that "working as intended" or just BS from dev's?Comment by Zuji Many "average" players have done the quests and got their cloaks. Use your class abilities to finish it instead of claiming that it's broken, when it clearly is not.Comment by neonjohn Can we please get more clarity on the proc for Xing-Ho, Breath of Yu'lon? This proc is not clear, and some of us need to determine if this is going to be amazing (like a legendary should be?) or not.
You do realize that the legendary version of the cloak, even in its ilvl 600 state STILL has better stats than the 608 version of the DPS cloak. Right? So you're gaining more stats AND gaining a useful proc. Cleave or not, extra free damage is extra free damage, you can still do your normal rotation while the cleave is happening.Fangs of the FatherComment by Shoadowolf Stupid pvp questline is impossible to do for a pve'r. So I guess its the end of the road for me.... :( Comment by CalaelenDT Stupid pvp questline is impossible to do for a pve'r. So I guess its the end of the road for me.... :(Comment by rinkworks Stupid pvp questline is impossible to do for a pve'r. So I guess its the end of the road for me.... :(Comment by Rankkor You do realize that the legendary version of the cloak, even in its ilvl 600 state STILL has better stats than the 608 version of the DPS cloak. Right? So you're gaining more stats AND gaining a useful proc. Cleave or not, extra free damage is extra free damage, you can still do your normal rotation while the cleave is happening.Compare
You do realize that the legendary version of the cloak, even in its ilvl 600 state STILL has better stats than the 608 version of the DPS cloak. Right? So you're gaining more stats AND gaining a useful proc. Cleave or not, extra free damage is extra free damage, you can still do your normal rotation while the cleave is happening.ejem.

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