I find it hilarious that people have a hard time capping VP. In two days, I have done 3 dailies, 2 scenarios, 2 dungeons, and 2 RFs. I have 435 VP. I play less now then I did in Cata or at the start of this expansion and I am moving right along. All factions are Exalted and I will have the 6000 VP needed for Wrathion next Tuesday. I prioritized. Simple.When queuing up for things, this is what I do and it works like a charm. Queue for RF, then dungeon, then scenario. I get into scenario in 0-5 secs. Every time. Then, I either get right in to dungeon when scenario is over or I have to wait a few minutes. Never more than 5. When that is done, I usually have to wait a few minutes for RF. Dang that's fast. Do any dailies I feel are important (iron token, archeology, and Red Crane if they're up is it).
As for upgraded heirlooms, these new heirlooms will not replace the old heirlooms. Instead, players can upgrade their old heirlooms by turning them in along with their initial Justice Points price. I say this on behalf of all players, --- MOVE BLIZZ! Come on! What's that noise about really we have to pay the price OF the heirlooms to upgrade them! That's Bull. Just to upgrade all the gear on my Monk alone it's going to cost about About 35k jp if I count 3 weapons.I agree 100% should be able to do a direct trade in not pay for the item twice. i for one say screw the upgrade adn will deal with leveling my old thru cata zones with only helm legs and back
I'm glad I'm not the only one pissed at Blizzard trying to create an obvious JP sink. I've already had to farm for full sets for all my character types, I'm still working on the trinkets right now. Why should I have to spend twice the effort to get an item for 5 more levels? It's completely ridiculous and needs to be altered. They need to either, A. Replace all current Heirloom items with the upgraded version when they patch 5.2 or B. Replace the old ones in the shops with the new ones and allow players a way to trade the old ones in for the new ones as a direct trade. Whoever was in charge of this decision needs to take a long hard look at their plans, throw them out, and then never be allowed to design content again without someone double checking their work. It's a slap in the face at the very least. If they want to continue on this path their going to start losing more people instead of listening to their players and retaining, if not adding more. It's not that hard to listen to people, they need to start.
As for upgraded heirlooms, these new heirlooms will not replace the old heirlooms. Instead, players can upgrade their old heirlooms by turning them in along with their initial Justice Points price. I say this on behalf of all players, ---- MOVE BLIZZ! Come on! What's that noise about really we have to pay the price OF the heirlooms to upgrade them! That's Bull. Just to upgrade all the gear on my Monk alone it's going to cost about About 35k jp if I count 3 weapons.I am sorry? You do not speak for all players and how is that a ---- move? I think it is fair that you should use up your old heirloom to get an upgraded version. You need to grow the ---- up and stop acting like a spoiled little child. It is meant as an alternative way to use your justice points. You do not have to use it so I do not understand your point.
I do not see why people are complaining about the heirloom change. There are two reasons why I do not mind this change which are: (A): You DO NOT have to use it to enjoy the game and (B): It is an alternative use for people who have spare Justice Points. I really do not see why people complain about features in the game that you have a choice to use. Do not like it? Do not f**king use it. For those people who are saying it is a slap in the face.. you need to grow up and stop acting like a spoiled little brat who wants everything handed to them on a silver platter. So.. you have to run more dungeons to get more Justice points... so what? You should not mind if you really enjoy the game. Yes, it is a Justice Point sink... that is the point. People who have spare Justice Points can use it to upgrade their heirloom. I wish people would think about their argument before speaking out. All I have seen from the comments about this are elitists who have every heirloom complaining about needing to run a more dungeons and spoiled little brats. I have seen both sides to this argument. Yes.. it is a pain and yes, it will take a while but sure everything in life takes a while to get. You have to earn what you want in this world and that is the sad truth and I do realize that for people who are buying them for the first time would have to pay for them twice but again... your arguments are invalid because you do not have to use the upgrade system.P.S. No, before anyone says it, I am not a Blizzard fan boy. I just love the game I have played for four years.
Calling others little kids does nothing but makes you look like a little kid to others. So better stop.People complains have right to exist because heirlooms are not intended to be vanity items put into a void storage. Heirlooms are intended to be used and using of them should provide some benefit. As it is on PTR at the moment, there is no real use of them just because you would spend much (about 20-30 times) more time grinding Justice Points for heirloom items and then leveling a character (or even 4 characters with the same set) with heirlooms than if you just leveled these characters without heirlooms from level 80 to 85. There would be an excuse if JP had no cap and some people would just buy them all at once but at the moment these changes really seem to be another crappy way to provide us some "brand new" vanity items.They should just make all heirlooms scale to level 90 free of charge. This is patch 5.2 and everyone has seen all the content blizz wanted us to see and everyone has done all the quests blizz wanted us to do, someone even on multiple characters. And giving us possibility to fly in Pandaria since level 85 with full set of heirlooms won't make the task of leveling a character from level 1 to 90 that easy...
I agree, the fact that we have to pay the JP cost to upgrade sucks.
eh, who cares. Don´t buy the new heirlooms, what is the big deal. Exp for 80-85 was reduced by about 50% AND you can easily buy MoP BOE rare items for a few hundred gold that are 100 ilvls better than the heirlooms will be anyway. Every spec has a MoP blue weapon that will allow you to facemelt every mob in Cata zones. You want to play a monk? how about grabbing two of those 442 ilvl weapons that you can use at lvl 81... my guess heirlooms will be about 325 at lvl 81. You know what 442 ilvl weapons will do to a mob in Hyjal?But even if you think you absolutely need heirlooms.. odds are everyone crying in this thread is forgetting this is the first PTR patch.. which means more than likely it will change.
Wait, so let me get this straight. They want us to turn in existing heirlooms for a re-used model that's only 5 levels more, and the cost of more Justice Points? That's $%^&ing ridiculous. I could hit 80-85 by the time i get enough JP for one of the new heirlooms.
Yeah, not gonna bother if I have to pay the same amount of JP as the item cost initially, if it ends up going live like that. 500 or 1k JP, maybe. Hell, I'd sooner pay straight gold than JP or VP. Three of my Heirlooms were bought with gold as it is.And elystriah, I'm playing a game that I pay to play. That makes me a customer, not a spoiled little brat. As a customer, I am entitled to my opinion as to the service I am paying for and is being provided to me. If I am not satisfied with the service, then I am entitled to complain. I, and any other paying customer of Blizzard reserve that right. If you don't like it, tough. Don't read the comments.
The JP cost for a 5 level heirloom upgrade is a ridiculous joke.However, levelling 80 to 85 thru Cata isn't difficult. It takes 6 or 7 hours at a relaxed but motivated pace.If you have one of the level 80 BOE MoP blues, eg. Bjam's Door-Breaker, you can smash though Hyjal at about 40 minutes per level and finish off doing about a third of the quests in Uldum to be done in one evening.Even without the highly sought after BOE level 80 MoP rare items, you have plenty of options to power up your characters fairly easily.Remember, many guilds have access to level 1-85 Heirloom Legs, Cloaks & Helms bought for gold from the Guild vendor. Supplement this gear with incredibly powerful and high ilevel (for Cata standards) green BOE drops from MoP once you hit level 83. eg Wall BreastplateI'll use a DPS Warrior as an example, but the same is true for all classes I've level thru Cata since MoP launched (Fire Mage, BM Hunter, Holy Priest).Get the Guild Heirlooms appropriate for your class as they add a combined +25% to your XP gain and scale better than Cata gear eg.Polished Legplates of ValorPolished Helm of ValorWorn Stoneskin Gargoyle CapeIdeally you have 2x Swift Hand of Justice. Sure the Haste doesn't scale above 80 un-upgraded, but the 4% heal from 2 trinkets per kill remains regardless (even up thru level 85 to 90); This makes them godly for levelling fast with minimal downtime.I should probably write a more extensive guide for this when I find the time.
I agree with everyone on here, there is no way I am paying that same cost again to upgrade my boa's for 5 more levels. It took a long time to get them all in the first place, and with having every boa minus the ring, it just will not happen.
As far as upgrading Heirlooms go:
As for upgraded heirlooms, these new heirlooms will not replace the old heirlooms. Instead, players can upgrade their old heirlooms by turning them in along with their initial Justice Points price.I was happy to see the upgraded items until the cost attached to it. Those prices are some of the stupidest ideas ever. There is NO WAY I'd farm all the JP required to upgrade all the BoAs to the 85 version for a measly 5 level increase. I won't even be 81-85 that long. Its pretty absurd that they'd require you to upgrade with that many JPs when you already purchased it. What's the cost going to be if you bought it from scratch ... the same? For someone that's got almost every BoA and characters are all nearing 85 to 90, the upgrades aren't worthwhile AT ALL since I'd have to pay real money to transfer a toon to another server just to ... re-level new toons with the BoA upgrades. Forget that.
As for upgraded heirlooms, these new heirlooms will not replace the old heirlooms. Instead, players can upgrade their old heirlooms by turning them in along with their initial Justice Points price.I was happy to see the upgraded items until the cost attached to it. Those prices are some of the stupidest ideas ever. There is NO WAY I'd farm all the JP required to upgrade all the BoAs to the 85 version for a measly 5 level increase. I won't even be 81-85 that long. Its pretty absurd that they'd require you to upgrade with that many JPs when you already purchased it. What's the cost going to be if you bought it from scratch ... the same? For someone that's got almost every BoA and characters are all nearing 85 to 90, the upgrades aren't worthwhile AT ALL since I'd have to pay real money to transfer a toon to another server just to ... re-level new toons with the BoA upgrades. Forget that.And remember, this is very early PTR. It took them about 3 days to lower the LFR from 486 to 480 because of people complaining.I still think though that it is just a bug with the UI. I think the cost of the new BOAs will be either the old heirloom OR the JP, not both.
I totally agree, I mean, I have 5 level 80's waiting to be leveld and I was thrilled when I saw the new 85 looms, but the way I see it now.. I'm not going to bother wasting thousands and thousands of JP for my 4 whole sets + 7 weapons (2 daggers, staff, a 2-handed axe, bow, 2 1-handed maces). It's outrageous to need to pay more than 500 extra JP for each upgrade, they could have just made heirloom tokens that you can buy with the old pieces and then turn them in for the new ones. I hope that Blizzard could see this to actually understand that most of the players don't have that ridiculous amount of extra time to spend for JP farming. Thank you and peace!