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Mists of Pandaria: LFR Changes

posted 2012/08/23 at 11:54 AM by perculia

They are hoping gear designed for LFR in future tiers is a small step up from last tier's normal mode gear, not a replacement for last tier's heroic gear.

If harder bosses on normal/heroic difficulty have an ilvl boost to reflect that difficulty, that ilvl boost will not apply to end-boss loot in LFR.

Terrace of Endless Spring and Heart of Fear LFR were initially three queues to be released on the same date, a month after MoP's release. Instead these three LFR queues will have a staggered release, one week after the other.

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Hello my fellow non-murloc creatures of Azeroth,

Please allow me to chip in with a few updated bits of information about LFR, I hope that you view this as an improvement and a step in the right direction over the current version of LFR. We do hear you and your feedback is seriously taken into consideration each time we decide to apply any change to the game.

We know that competitive players seem to dislike the idea of having to go through LFR to get some upgrades and that some will always go there as long as there is any chance at all of getting the slightest competitive advantage from it.

Of course we would prefer that LFR wasn’t part of the progression path for guilds that are raiding normal/heroic content, and so we have made some additional adjustments for the next iteration of LFR, for example:

- Currently we have two separate item levels in LFR, items from the last 2 encounters have a level of 390, while the rest have 384, this made the LFR gear from Deathwing a bit too attractive for just about everyone, including hardcore raiders, so we’ve decided that this needed to be changed for MoP.

Our initial intention was that this difference would work as a special reward for beating such difficult encounters but that didn’t really translate in LFR since those encounters don’t have a difficulty that is relevant enough for this reward to be warranted.

Basically our intention for MoP is that if we decide to give a slight bump and increase the loot table ilvl of end bosses, that same bump won’t be applied to LFR but only to normal/heroic modes.

- While the LFR gear from a new tier will continue to be slightly better than the normal difficulty items from the previous tier, we’ll structure the power level of future tiers’ LFR loot so that it doesn’t replace Heroic gear from the previous raid, and we’re continuing to discuss other solutions internally to limit the pressure for competitive raiders to run LFR.

- We’ve also made a slight change on how Terrace of Endless Spring and Heart of Fear are going to roll out. These two raids will still be split into three separate queues for LFR, but we no longer plan to release them all on the same day, instead, we’ll unlock one queue each week. We hope that by the time all of the bosses are available in LFR, organized raiders will have had two full weeks to work on normal difficulty and one week for Heroic difficulty.

While I don’t expect this to completely stop raiding guilds from feeling some need to go into LFR, I hope that it will provide less incentive, they shouldn’t feel obligated to continue running LFR for a long time on top of their normal/heroic progression, I’d say if LFR remains somewhat interesting for 2-3 weeks to some players that want one or two specific items from there, that’s not such a big issue.

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Comment by Mulkiath I lol all the way to the bank at raiders who think that just cause its there they HAVE to do it. The idea of gaming is to have fun, so you don't like LFR? Then don't go there, not that hard really.

Personally I game to have fun so I do a bit of LFR, a bit of random, a hell of a lot of world/solo achieves, bit of all content, bit of pvp and level alts.

There are aspects of the game I don't like (raiding, arena, rated BGs, world pvp) so... ah... I don't do it :) Comment by Entropyutd I lol all the way to the bank at raiders who think that just cause its there they HAVE to do it. The idea of gaming is to have fun, so you don't like LFR? Then don't go there, not that hard really.

Personally I game to have fun so I do a bit of LFR, a bit of random, a hell of a lot of world/solo achieves, bit of all content, bit of pvp and level alts.

There are aspects of the game I don't like (raiding, arena, rated BGs, world pvp) so... ah... I don't do it :)Comment by YJMark I've seen it mentioned enough on these forums whenever the subject is brought up.
Some people just don't have the time or schedule to allow them to raid. They still want the same gear a dedicated raider can get, so, lower ilevel is a happy medium.

LFR also allows players to maintain a reasonable level of gear, so if they do get a chance to step up, the gap between them and a full time raider is not as large. (I'm sure some of us remember from Vanilla and BC just how brutal that gap could be. It has slowly being closed, so nobody is really left behind anymore)Comment by Azrile I lol all the way to the bank at raiders who think that just cause its there they HAVE to do it. The idea of gaming is to have fun, so you don't like LFR? Then don't go there, not that hard really.

Personally I game to have fun so I do a bit of LFR, a bit of random, a hell of a lot of world/solo achieves, bit of all content, bit of pvp and level alts.

There are aspects of the game I don't like (raiding, arena, rated BGs, world pvp) so... ah... I don't do it :)Comment by YJMark My problem with the what they announced yesterday isn´t so much what they are planning to do (staggering LFR releases).. my problem is they are making changes to LFR based on feedback from raiders, people who LFR wasn´t designed for.
Comment by zanatorix If you don't have time to raid normal or HC then you don't need the higher ilvl gear in the first place, so i don't see a reason for QQing about the lower ilvl drops from raid finder. Comment by Amalo4 My problem with the what they announced yesterday isn´t so much what they are planning to do (staggering LFR releases).. my problem is they are making changes to LFR based on feedback from raiders, people who LFR wasn´t designed for.
Comment by Azrile My problem with the what they announced yesterday isn´t so much what they are planning to do (staggering LFR releases).. my problem is they are making changes to LFR based on feedback from raiders, people who LFR wasn´t designed for.
Comment by irishsnout due to life happening, I can't commit to raiding in a guild. I can run lfr as time allows. I'm a little bummed that I will not be at the same ilvl as a hardcore raider, but it's ok as long as I can still see the cotent and if by some strange chance i could jump into a raid and still be competitive.
with that being said, a nerfed lfr should have nerfed gear. mabe down the road, a version of lfr that is not nerfed but more strict. Comment by badsport In light of this slight nerf to comparative LFR gear ilvl, it would be nice to see all the content drop in LFR, i.e. weapons and mounts that currently only drop in normal/hc also drop in LFR. They could always have a lower chance of dropping than on normal/hc. Comment by Grimbard These days, some of the fights in LFR are actually much harder than a regular DS - everyone with any skill/gear at all is doing regular or heroic DS. Dps also queue as heals for LFR to get faster q's (and then proceed to dps). Because of this, I haven't been able to kill Deathwing for weeks - the fight is still tough enough that you can't have just 2 good healers, 2 crappy healers, and a couple dps masquerading as heals for the faster q's.

Blizzard should look into this... Comment by SiegaPlays Ppl will always run lfr due to trinkets which are a pain in tha a** to drop.Comment by Azrile Ppl will always run lfr due to trinkets which are a pain in tha a** to drop.Comment by themguyman I don't think blizz realizes the real problem with LFR. the people there cant do anything right. a better change would be not allowing people in PvP gear, or have people complete all the dungeons/scenarios before they can queue, as people see LFR as just another dungeon that they can just blow through, and while this is true for the hard core raiders it is far from the truth for most other people.

also a 10 player mode would be nice Comment by SiegaPlays I don't think blizz realizes the real problem with LFR. the people there cant do anything right. a better change would be not allowing people in PvP gear, or have people complete all the dungeons/scenarios before they can queue, as people see LFR as just another dungeon that they can just blow through, and while this is true for the hard core raiders it is far from the truth for most other people.Comment by SiegaPlays The raiders who hate the very idea of LFR even existing are just going to keep swarming that thread stating all the reasons they will still feel the need to run LFR.. and Blizzard, who is now listening to them, will continue to nerf LFR. First it was ilevel, next it will be trinkets, then tier items...Comment by Interest

also a 10 player mode would be niceComment by themguyman

also a 10 player mode would be niceComment by darxa2 I admit, I am one of those people who go into LFR and need on anything I can need on. I'm sure that angers some people. I do it though to prevent those who should not be there from getting gear they don't deserve. When I win a piece I look at all the people that can equip it. I look at their performance and their gear. I give that piece I won to someone who put in the effort and actually needs the item as an upgrade.

example :
Boss dies, caster staff drops, I win the roll and have better
Mage pulled 14k dps and is wearing pvp gear
Priest pulled 22k dps wearing pve gear and has a 378 weapon
Warlock pulled 20k dps in pve gear using a 397

I'm giving that staff to the priest because he/she put in the effort, showed some skill, and truly needs the item.
I may have just angered the mage and lock by preventing them from getting it, but w/e I want to help ppl who deserve it get the gear. And every time I do this I hope those ppl do the same when they don't need something. Pass on the kindness, keep the baddies from taking the gear. : ) Comment by HolyShiitake I care more about fixing people needing on stuff they already have in LFR....

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