I will prob unsubscribe because I dislike how they took away so many talent points...Ret pally damage and heals used to be so fun. Why did people feel like so many talents took away from the game? The variance it allowed one spec as was fun.
If you plotted the WoW sub using stock market candles...the bull doji star candle was the Ulduar release patch.It's been a bearish trend ever since.I said many times before..long term trends don't zig-zag, they have a current that takes them up or down.Yes... there will be a momentary spike come the start of MoP as there was at the start of Cata.But the short term sub spike of Cata didn't translate into anything long term. Funny...I recognize a few posters who have used the expression "rose colored glasses" towards players reminiscing about WoW being better in the past....time for you guys to take them off in regards to Sub losses,"YOUR" game isn't as good as it was during Van/TBC and that's why subs keep dropping. No matter the reason you give...if it's better then the reason to play, then the game needs fixing.I hope MoP is the start of that long term fix that sends subs back up again.
I'm no Blizzard fanboi; however, I have to say that 9 million subscribers for a game approaching 10 years old is pretty good and a success by any measure.My only wish is that they'd start consolidating servers so that it would "feel" like it did a couple years ago...Seriously, who cares about what people "say" ..no one is going to quit just because of server merges. I don't know why companies have been so shy about that in the past. It's as though the merges caused the merges ..lol.
Probably just people taking a break since Pandaria has been announced. They will be back. In fact I bet Pandaria will bring in a lot of new subscribers as well.I doubt GW2 will put much of a dent in WoW's subscriber base since it's free to play.
Yeah, this news isn't surprising. Summer slump + end of an expansion + Diablo III... that adds up for fewer players.That said, I've noticed people in this thread stopped playing "because raiding got boring." I take it no one makes alts? Or have you maxed all yours out already?
I think GW2 will kill a lot of subscriptions from wow except for the serious raidersHow do you figure that? I have no interest at all in GW2 and I'm not a serious Raider.Cheers.
I would be interested in comparing the losses in the lull during the end of WotLK, (which *felt* longer than this lull) to the current losses. As well as the, I assume, increase at the beginning of Cata, to what happens in 2 months with MoP.Also, I just can't figure out why people who have quit WoW continue to follow and comment on news from this and other sites. Have they really quit, or are they just saying that? lolAs for me, I have the annual pass, and I took a break from WoW for about a month to play Diablo, but once the endgame farming began I got bored. Way too repetitive for me. I bought a second WoW account last month and have been leveling alts during the lull, which has been more fun than I expected. I'm excited for MoP.
I'll be coming back to WoW when I find a job and actually have money.
I will prob unsubscribe because I dislike how they took away so many talent points...Ret pally damage and heals used to be so fun. Why did people feel like so many talents took away from the game? The variance it allowed one spec as was fun.Really, with everything else, you'll quit just because you don't like the way talents are going?I would have thought all the other stuff in MoP was just a bit more important than what they've done with the Talents. I don't particular like what they're doing with them either, but looking forward to MoP with crazy anticipation.Cheers.
This doesn't surprise me at all. I've still noticed new players joining WoW anyways though.I think GW2 will kill a lot of subscriptions from wow except for the serious raidersPossibly, but they'll have a month to consume GW2's content and return for MoP. In addition, since GW2 has no monthly sub, players may have some potential for playing an additional MMO on top of GW2.
I think GW2 will kill a lot of subscriptions from wow except for the serious raidersI doubt it, not that many will leave for guild wars 2 permanently. I myself am leaving for GW2 but I am also coming back the month after for Mists, I just need something to pass the time until then and...well...GW2 looks interesting and it's F2P, nothing to lose really.I guess most of the subscribers have left due to lack of content. 4.3 has been out a while now and didn't have that much content anyway (1 raid and 3 easy-mode dungeons). It didn't bring enough to keep everybody playing all the way to MoP.I already know that most of the people that have left will be back for MoP and I don't blame them for leaving until then. Finding it hard to find things in WoW to do at the moment myself.
In other words, don't panic. They'll be back, probably as pandas!I think this is true but I ultimately think it's unhealthy for the game. People learn and adjust. So what happens is that more and more people unsubscribe because they know Blizzard won't be making any new content for six-nine months. An MMO should be a game that's fun to play more than three months out of every 24. And I think subscription numbers are quite misleading. I'm stay subscribed in the past even when I wasn't playing the game. That's great for Blizzard's bottom line but not great for the game as a whole.Yes, Blizzard is doing well. This isn't a smack down. But I don't like the lackadaisical attitude that implies it's no biggie to lose two million subscribers over the course of an expansion. It should be big deal. While the sky is not falling in, no one should think that fact is acceptable.
But I don't like the lackadaisical attitude that implies it's no biggie to lose two million subscribers over the course of an expansion. It should be big deal. While the sky is not falling in, no one should think that fact is acceptable.I'd agree with you, but the major loss of subs started at the end of Wrath, when they hit the 10 million mark; the 12 mil peak was in BC after all. In Cata, we've lost about 1.5 or so; not as 'horrible' as some might make it out.Also: Nearly 10 year old game, sub loss is expected, but doesn't mean it's dead as Runescape and Everquest show.
Here is the thing, games which keep thier player enticed for such a long period of time is the content. Without the content, players get bored. Thrustrated even. Im still a commited player and have been back through Burning crusade, just a small point to say, Burning Crusade had 4 Main sets of Raids . Not sure on the oder but... Black Temple, Karazan, Tempest Keep etc... Loads of content Frequently release (every half a year approximately). Likewise Look at Wrath of the lich king... Naxxaramas, Ulduar, Trial of the Crusader, Icecrown Citidel... The main 4 of the expansion... And then cataclysm... Blackwing Descent, Firelands, Dragon Soul... and thats it... this was completed in 2 - 3 months ish. But with no more content this is the obvious reason why Subscriptions went down. there was nothing to do and has been for a long time now. And there still is 2 months untill Pandaria comes out. Anyway the Main point here is IF you want to keep your players Blizzard More Content needs to be Created for each expansion like Burning Crusade and Wrath. Thats my point some people would proberbly will disagree but hey we all have oppinions.
Did anyone really not expect this?I don't have any numbers to back it up but I've always seen activity go down quite a bit during the summer and subs always go down towards the end of an expansion cycle that's a fact.So combine those 2 along with the people who're playing D3 probably until MoP and the people who already left for GW2 considering how it'll be out in about 3 weeks.If I had to guess I'd say at least 4/5 of the 1.1 million who left will be back closer to MoP's launch
Yeah. I mean I'm an annual pass subscriber because at the time a year ago I was playing wow every day. I haven't logged in since February. I'm not planning on coming back for MoP.I wonder how many of those subscriptions are people who don't actually play?
I found this on MMO championMost of the WoW Subscription losses were from the East.the East implies a nice chunk of the sub losses were from Asia in which blizzard only makes approx 5% of their subscription numbers from
I am usually a big fan of Blizzard, but i honestly hope this is a wakeup call. They simply cannot expect player to pay for 8 months with no new content.I have never played Rift, but I did play AC1.. and the rate at which those games were/are able to bring out almost monthly content patches is amazing considering their small subscriber base.Think about it? AC never had more than 200,000 players but was able to have new content patches every month.They don´t have to be full raids, even just Onyx type encounters, a new 5 man, a new quest hub etc.Those games with 200k players could do it, but Blizzard with 9M can´t? They really all have to switch to making an expansion?I honestly think the problem is GC. How much dev time has been wasted redoing the talent system every year. Have things really gotten that much better than if they had just added onto the original BC talents. Last expansion they gutted healing, this expansion they are gutting tanking.. In the end, do people think either of those things are significantly more fun now? Or could have all that dev money been spent adding and Isle of Q, or a Ruby Sanctum.. I think too much of the money GC wastes is just ´change for the sake of change´... and not really improvments. While they are changing stuff, they aren´t adding stuff.I´ve been playing my bear tank on PTR.. all I keep thinking is.. ok, this is slightly different, but it isn´t more fun or anything really interesting.. it is just a little different. Then I think about how much effort the devs wasted to do that.. In the end, all I am basically doing is pressing my defensive cd every 9 seconds rather than pulvarize every 9 seconds. ...Meanwhile.. we´ve had DS for about 9 months.TLDR- GC is wasting too much dev money changing things that aren´t broken, and instead should be adding content.
I think GW2 will kill a lot of subscriptions from wow except for the serious raidersOr an alternate train of thought; MoP will denude GW2 of a lot of it's players, since it comes out after(at least, far as I can remember).Oh, really! I highly doubt that. GW2 has come into this world with an already high volume fan base. That's where I will be spending most of my time. I'll visit wow from time to time. Only ones that you will get back are the ones that don't like the fact that GW2 won't lead you around by the nose.
Probably just people taking a break since Pandaria has been announced. They will be back. In fact I bet Pandaria will bring in a lot of new subscribers as well.I doubt GW2 will put much of a dent in WoW's subscriber base since it's free to play.Correction it is BUY TO PLAY.. Don't mistake GW2 be some off market free to play game lying around the internet.. it isn't. You still have to buy the game to play it.. I just doesn't have the subscription like wow does.