We recently added account-level changes to achievements in World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria, and there’s still a lot of work left before we’re done. The plan here is to illustrate the intent behind our design, which should in turn help you figure out the answers to many of your questions.
Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.
This goal is paramount and drives everything else. If we allowed you to earn extra achievement points from completing an achievement on two different characters, then you might only want to play the character with the most points and you’d feel like you had to grind through all the achievements with every alt, thus defeating the purpose of having account-level achievements.
Most achievements are account-wide
This means you only earn the points once. If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement. We think it’s still important to recognize milestones like reaching level 80, maxing out a profession, or killing a raid boss for the first time. It's fun to have everyone congratulate you when you get the toast. Nonetheless, this will just be a new character of yours completing the achievement that you’ve already earned on your account. You won’t double up on points.
Most criteria are not account-wide
If you start an achievement on one character, you can't then finish the achievement on another (there are exceptions, so please keep reading). We didn't think it made sense for one character to get level 60 and another to get level 20 and then see the "level 80" achievement toast. If you start to explore Thousand Needles on one character, you’ll probably want to finish that achievement on the same character.
Some achievements are "meta achievements."
These are achievements that require you to get other specific achievements. An infamous example is "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been." These achievements generally ARE account-wide. If one character earned Noble Gardener and another character earned The Flame Warden, then your account would get Long Strange Trip. (Otherwise it would be weird: it would look as if you had the sub-achievements, but you wouldn't have the meta-achievement). Even though you need Explore Thousand Needles on one character, all of your characters can contribute to Explore Kalimdor.
A very few achievements are account-only.
There are two categories of account-only achievements. One is achievements that are not possible to earn on one character. If we made an achievement to level every class to level 90, it would be account-only. (I'm not sure we will, but it's a good example.) The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.
We hope that rewards granted from achievements (pets, mounts, titles, and tabards) will be shared at the account level.
I'm not going to promise this yet, because a lot of magic has to happen for that to work, but it's our intent. We have discussed having a character level requirement for some rewards, so that your level-2 gnome couldn’t walk around with the “Defender of a Shattered World” title just because your level-90 shaman earned it. If the gnome made it to level 80, though, you could proudly show off your title. You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction. The achievement wouldn’t go away -- you just wouldn’t be able to show it off on that character. There are probably additional exceptions and details we’ll find as we dig deeper into the system.
This is the kind of system that will evolve over time, and we don’t think this has to be the way achievements work forever. As beta players start experimenting with it and offering feedback, I am certain that we will end up making even more changes.
Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is Lead Systems Designer for World of Warcraft. He loves you very, very much. Yes, you.
250k hk too hard for a single char? That's only 5k per char. I hope they add account wide 1M hk then, there has to be some achievements!
I'm quite enthusiastic about this one. I'm a terrible completionist, and it hurts to not have mounts/pets/achievements on alts that I already have on mains. It also hurts to get elusive mounts on an alt that happens to stumble upon it, when I've been after it on my main for ages. Or grind reputation for all factions involved in The Diplomat on my main, and then roll a Priest who I think would be perfect for donning that title...... so that I have to grind it all over again.Of course it will make some achievements trivial to get (x honour kills, x mounts, x quests complete, etc), but I don't think this will be so big an issue by the time it has gone live and people got used to it.As for the worries about people entering a raid without any real 'proof' to show their experience: suck it up. Before we had achievements, you also had to take someone's word for it. And even now with achievements, you can have a very skilled player who just hasn't done the raid yet on that particular alt - would you bring along someone who was dragged through the raid by their guild and got the achievement to show, rather than that skilled person?It's just silly to use something like an achievement as a requirement to be taken along on a pug. I for one will be glad when people will start using their common sense again and let players prove their mettle, instead of blindly staring at an achievement. Or a gear score, for that matter. *snorts indignantly*The only thing that I'm slightly disappointed about, is that now my level 1 twink guides will become redundant (as will my level 1 twink herself, most likely). Ah well, it was fun while it lasted. ;)
This is something I would rather not have. I play my PVE Pally and my two sons have their lvl 85 toons. We each have our own achievs and pets and mounts we worked very hard to aquire. One of my sons is big into PVP and has alot of achievs from that, and my other is big into collecting mounts and pets. I am into the lore and questing, and just got the title Loremaster. I don't feel I deserve their accomplishments or they mine, just because we share an account. It would be great if we could have the option to turn on and off this feature.
This doesn't apply to class-specific mount does it? I would love to ride around on Charger on my Priest but it would just take about from the unique feeling the mount has to the Paladin.
Hey, after seeing all the reasoning for liking this change, I get it. Most of what you say doesn't apply to me, so that's why I didn't see the point. But I can now really see the point.It does make playing Alts more attractive, and not having to concentrate on your achievement hungry main all the time.I get it now.Cheers.
I'm curious if will award master flying on all your toons as soon as they hit the appropriate level or if they will change it somehow. Would be nice to not have to buy it each time but I don't see blizzard being that generous.
You are absolutly correct. i went back and re-read the terms and I was wrong. I retract my original statement and all subsequent words afterword. My life now has no meaning and I will surrender to the power that be.
Well currently if you faction change and have the crusader title on your toon, you lose the achievements. So if you faction change the toon that earned the achieve, I wonder if you lose it on all your toons then or since it was "account wide" you still get to keep it.Overall I am a fan, yet not so much a fan. I really wanted to be unique and get bloodthirsty, which will now not be so "wowish". Im only at 35k HKs on my rogue, 30k on my prot pally, and had 80k on my H pally before I ended up quiting him. This would certainly get me to play my H pally again but I would rather bloodthirsty be a grind to get. I am in high hopes they add a 500k HK achieve in response so there is something that is a pain to grind for and a title that gets me into bgs. Currently I only really bg just for that title and avoid doing premades since a second motivation is to increase my skill level while grinding bgs. Afterall, I wouldn't feel I have bragging rights to my bloodthirsty if I got it handed to me in a rath strat. Bloodthirsty is suppose to represent having skill from a hellish grind and having killed many many many people in fairly even combat.