Ok, its been a bit now since the Beta has hit the servers and no one has addressed the elephant in the room. WTF is going on with Warlocks. Im destro as main spec and MY GOD! They've completely ruined it. The embers system so horrible and my dps seems almost as if its nerfed. Im not sure how Afflic is going but from the articles I've read, its seems to be just as bad with the new shard system they gave them. I haven't seen any blue posts regarding non-Demonology specs and how they are gonna be fixed. I dont want to have to stop playing warlock just because they can't get their #$%^ together. And don't even get me started on Destro locks only have 3 out of ALL the Major Glyphs to use that will even help them.
To the Wall of Text that is the first post: The Talents are set up to be completely your choice. Your spec is set up that all of the 'duh' talents are now automatically learned.As for the rest: Hey, if you hate Pugs....don't run freaking pugs; find friends, find a good solid guild, get RealID friends, there are lots of ways to avoid the 'dreaded' pug problem.
yes, but in case you haven't noticed, the new talents are basically just option designed either specifically for a given spec (like the old ones) or different versions of the same thing, one of which is almost always superior to the other two in function and thus a shoe in for raiding or pvp builds, and ultimately they just aren't that compelling, not enough to warrant further bulldozing the already weakened specialization system.I'm on Beta; the talents are set up to be 'useful' as you can change them on the fly depending on the fight you are in. So far, I've yet to find an 'obvious' one for all situations: My current main on Beta is a Brewmaster Monk, and depending on what I'm about to fight, I swap the talents around to maximize them.They've been cleaning up the trees, taking out all of the useless abilities that no one ever choose over the years, and helping to fix up other things.
I'm on the beta too, and honestly it just feels like more blizz bull$%^& for people who can't plan ahead, but to each their own, personally, I feel like someone needs to petition blizz for a formal apology for WoW since burning crusade, because honestly the game is a steaming pile of ass now and mists changes nothing about that.And I love where the game is going, and sure as heck don't find it a steaming pile of anything. But as you've already unsubbed, time to quit completely and delete your Beta access, then the pile isn't affecting you anymore.
You will have less resilience on your gear coming into beta. However, you will also have some base resilience and that base should offset the PvP power that everyone is getting.So if the built in Base Resil is equivalent to the bonuses of PVP Power, then isn't PVP Resil still just Resil? Sorry I've been trying to wrap my head around how having an offensive and defensive PVP stat is supposed to work. Seems they either balance each other out and are irrelevant or that PVP Power is meant to recoup the innate resistance to PVP damage which means item based PVP Resil is still going to function exactly as Resil does now. Just seems like the reason we didn't have PVP Power previously is because it just creates a dueling banjo situation where all players are going to follow the same logic of either mass offense or defense based on which turns out superior.@ Garotewire; I'm personally glad that Blizz has abandoned their concept of making all content only available to the top end raid players. We all pay our monthly dues we should get to experience the content and if players can't experience everything you get the massive player drops that Cata showed. Blizz tried to cater entirely to a small part of its client base and took it on the chin when the majority lost interest in being told they werent good enough for WoW anymore. I do have to agree that I don't like the Talent changes though. I have yet to understand how Blizz justifies the idea that this will create less cookie-cutter characters. By reducing the potential pool of options their not going to give players anything new. Theres still at best 1 option that is relevant per spec and some levels where you get nothing for your spec at all. MoP will bring more Cookie-cutter necessary builds, there will just be less options to debate over on the way to the final conclussion of what is necessary for each spec. This goes for Glyphs too. A more effective solution would be to give multiple options for each spec that remain balanced. (Which is admittedly far easier said then done)Also while we're discussing characters and their evolution in MoP, can we get another promise that Paladins won't be thoroughly shafter like the start of Cata?
actually, as a consumer who has paid more than enough money into this steaming pile over the years, I feel it's my right to talk $%^& about it when they've basically made my entire monetary contribution (easily hundreds of dollars not even counting the cost of expansion packs and the basic game itself) over these last 6 years a massive waste of time and money. So I will continue to wether you like it or not, in fact I will take it one step further and say that you are wrong, and probably came in during wrath or cata, presumably you haven't ever worked for any of your items or actually been in a 40 man raid or done any of the other things that would put you in a position to speculate on the game's comparative decline or increase in quality since it's release, and even if you claimed to have been there since the beginning I don't know a single person who has AND is happy with more than a handful of the changes implemented in the last two expansions or that are planned for mists. To put it more simply, butt out and go back to playing a game so vastly inferior to the original that it almost doesn't bare comparison noob.I joined in Vanilla, shortly before BC came out, but nice try. I remember Vanilla...and it's not through Rose Coloured Glasses: The grind to get in Raids was horrible, finding a good guild was nearly impossible, the classes had one working spec and the other two were useless, and while BC made it a little easier, it still had the same Raid issues and the endless Heroic grind, where if you were lucky to finish the instance even with a guild group(heroic SL, SH, BM for example) were the height of guild breakers.But keep thinking how you think; everyone is allowed their opinions.
I don't care what you say about me dude; I know when I joined the game. You are part of that oh so much fun vocal minority; you keep screaming wow is dead, I'll keep enjoying my game.But I bet you end up coming back to Mists anyways.
Because I thought you might be able to make an actual response, but you are just spewing the crap the vocal hate minority does, who surprisingly, even for the amount of bile they spew, still pay to play the game they hate so much so go figure. Salute, and hope you find another game that makes you happy.And sorry, but I don't see WoW dying for another few years, but we'll have to agree to disagree.I literally do not know a single soul who has actually been in game as long as I have and thinks WoW is headed in the right direction, that goes double for anyone in beta.Oh and one more thing: Beta Grind on Lost Isles; nearly a thousand people in Beta who are looking forward to Mists...but please, keep on yelling, it's funny at this point.
Uh huh, same thing was said about SWTOR, Aion, and every other MMO that's come out in the last few years. Oh and very original, blame GW, yay, we have the trifecta of hater!
Garotewire (btw, it's spelled "garrote"), please go trololol someplace else and leave the discussion for people who actually want to discuss. We are unimpressed by your walls 'o text. If you hate the game so much, leave. And put your "protest energy" toward something important, like global hunger or somesuch.
wow is dead, why do you think they have to defer to dell for both funding and planning ideas, why do you think the gold spammers don't actually get banned anymore, just reported off of your screen permanently, they need that subscription money, badly. The only thing keeping wow afloat is the only thing keeping nintendo up and running, mindless fanboys who can't just admit when something sucks because if they do they think the world will end. And if you didn't care what I had to say about you, why even bother making the effort to post a response?WoW is dead to you, buddy.Just because there aren't many Vanilla players anymore doesn't mean %^&*.WoW reached its peak number of subscribers in WoTLK. What does that say about BC or Vanilla to you?Just because a small minority of players (and I do say: 1 million people quit, 10 million are still paying) don't like the game, it doesn't really mean anything. WoW changed to a better game over the ages.I don't miss grinding for weeks for gear. I don't miss spending hours on /2 to find a group to run a heroic dungeon that falls apart after the first wipe. I don't miss not being able to find a good raiding guild with the progress and time schedule I like/want. I do not miss any of those features. I do not care or miss about the "realm community". And seeing that 10mil subscribers still pay for this game, they don't miss it either.Before you spit bull!@#$ out of your mouth like "WoW is dead", make sure you have the facts to back it up.
Dude, take a break before you give yourself a heart attack; seriously, maybe it's for the best you've quit WoW, if the game is causing you to act like this.
I hear arguing with a troll is bad for your health.
hey, if you like shoveling *!@# into your mouth, that's your business, and more power to you for actually paying those dopey #$%^s 15 dollars a month to do it.So that's your logical argument? If that's all you can mutter out of your small tiny brain, then I feel pitty for you.Yet, I'd like to point out that you're one of those lame-asses that quit the game (or want to quit, whatever), yet they still read wow news related websites religiously and post comments on the article in less than 1 hour that the article was posted. That proves that you still care, or you really don't have anything else better to do and you're a failure for bringing those arguments.
hey, if you like shoveling *!@# into your mouth, that's your business, and more power to you for actually paying those dopey #$%^s 15 dollars a month to do it.So that's your logical argument? If that's all you can mutter out of your small tiny brain, then I feel pitty for you.Yet, I'd like to point out that you're one of those lame-asses that quit the game (or want to quit, whatever), yet they still read wow news related websites religiously and post comments on the article in less than 1 hour that the article was posted. That proves that you still care, or you really don't have anything else better to do and you're a failure for bringing those arguments.Talking !@#$ to noobs was the only thing I enjoyed doing in cata, here I get it for free. Also if you want to insult me, feel free to spell pity right, or maybe come up with something better than "small tiny brain" seriously, have you ever actually insulted anyone who didn't have the downs and had no idea how to respond? Your insults sound like they were written by a barely english fluent carrot top clone with a hair lip. In addition to all of this, I never said I didn't care, in fact I do care, because over the years I've spent in excess of 600 dollars on WoW and quite frankly I will @#$% talk them til the day the game dies, they owe me that much after continually weakening the gameplay and increasing the ease of difficulty until morons like you could hit max level and !@#$ up my pugs.
Personally, I prefer the new system of "if you should have it, you already do."I go against the grain, and not just to be different, but because I get different results than others. In vanilla, I was a raid healer in balance spec (before boomies) and I did better than some holoy priests. When they added the original eclipse talent, I didn't take it because I could NOT keep track of the buff proc. I was doing the same dps with it as without it, so I took talents out of it and put them where I preferred them, but I was always treated as an idiot because of this. What good is a proc if I didn't know it happened? And I had better things to pay attention to rather than stare at my buff bar and wait for stuff to pop up. So I often missed and wasted the buff. When they added a clearer way of seeing it, I was estatic because I could actually benefit from this talent, and even happier when they added the bar. Then they added the "cleanse magic" to decurse, and all of the raiding/dungeon guides said it was auseless resto talent, but I took it anyway and loved it. When I got "recommened" to take it back out, I did and regretted it horribly, so I spent even more gold to get it back.. Now, they have the stupid solar beam, which I didn't see the point of (because people like to move mobs out of it), but I'd get into a dungeon and be immediately asked why i didn't have the talent, even if we were in a dungeon that didn't require it. So finally, I took the talent, and it can be really handy, I give it that (when people see it and respond to it properly) So now that I don't HAVE to waste a talent point in something I'd rather not have, I'm totally happy. I have the ability, I don't have to be mocked for the choice to not take it, so NUH. Customize my ass, you HAD to have so many points in so many places, you had like 3 left over to "do what you wish" wooo a whole 3! AMGSo glad they're dumping that system.
Nonetheless, we want the bottom row of talents to be exciting.Not for Dks they dont >=(I pretty much stopped paying attention to the beta the moment they killed the last talent row for DKs.First Remorseless Winter gets a 90% damage nerf. To the point that its base damage was lower than Blood Boil.BLOOD BOIL the weakest spell in a DKs arsenal. And Remorseless Winter, a lvl 90 talent, on a 60 seconds CD was doing less damage than BLOOD BOIL.But whatever, fine, I just thought to myself, after a 90% damage nerf, there's no chance in hell this skill will be nerfed again, and 8 ticks of frost damage are still "something".Guess again? they removed the damage of all the level 90 talents for DKs.Sorry greg, but what was that about bottom row talents being exciting? because as someone who doesn't pvps, I don't quite see what I'm supossed to be excited about when my choices are A: A mass pull (That I wont use unless I'm tanking) B: A mass stun (that won't help me kill stuff faster, or do more DPS) or an Anti-CC (That has absolutely zero use in PVE, be it for soloing, tanking, or DPSing)>.>
Meh. Still don't care about PVP and it still looks like GC is listening to the wrong part of the player-base (re: the guys crying about the account wide mounts change.)
To be honest Garotewire your missing the whole point.here's some facts;WoW is a game. A MMORPG in fact.The majority of WoW players want a fun, enjoyable experience and to play all the content available to justify their expense. Wrath, the peak of subscriptions, gave this.A small minority want to make 90% of the content only available to players who commit every waking moment to WoW by making the content too difficult for anything but hardcore players. Cata tried this. Cata failed epically.MMORGS require servers and technicians to maintain operation and designers to create new content. (and other people not listed for simplicity sake)The majority pays the majority for servers, technician and designers. The minority pays the minority.Majority > MinorityTherefore, the majority gets its way.Also the minority doesn't get to declare the game dead, the majority does. When the developers listen to the minority and create a game environment that is no longer fun, the subscriptions drop off, the funding dries up, the servers turn off and the magic ends.The logical conclusion is that Blizz needs to keep WoW in a direction that appeals to the larger client base and the larger client base doesn't want dungeons that you can't run, raids you'll never see and gear that is utterly impossible to get. i agree with the other posters, if you hate the situation that much, move on. Try something new. WoW will survive without you.
hummm dude? that troll was banned. He aint gonna read anything you write to him, and if he does, he wont be able to respond, unless he makes a new account, which would promtly get banned again.Don't waste time trying to argue with people like that. You may as well try to teach a rock how to speak. I Think that has higher chances of success.