As soon as I find some time (monday at the latest) I will bring back green comments and I will also make changes to the ordering system.There will be three ways to order it:
The only thing I like about the new system is the prominence of the vote and rating. Everything else I believe is terrible don't really like (terrible was too strong of a word). Limiting replies to comments limits the community's ability to discuss specific comments. Now to give an in-depth reply to a question or statement I will need to create a separate comment outside of the original comment which will quickly make this all very confusing.A solution to the comments might be to add a "subject" or "synopsis" heading that's limited to 600 characters, but have a "read more" link to expand the comment so we can continue to discuss comments in-depth while at the same time reducing clutter.Also noticed no delete button...where did that go? I have sufficient permissions to do it, but can't find it...that was useful.
I went ahead and posted replies to the threads you linked in a previous post, Koper.Let me also say...WHAT THE HECK! As one of the few who actually saw the test thread and started giving feedback, that was such an insanely short test time to get some actual feedback on this before releasing it.That feature where you announce new things at the top of every page on wowhead (you use it for major blogs like contests and content and holidays) would've been great to invite people to come check out the new comment system. I woke up this afternoon with this idea and was coming to suggest it when I see that it's actually already been 'released.' O.OI barely found the feedback thread yesterday because I came to post a report about the weight stats not working and happened to notice it.Please consider reverting to the old system and running a much longer testing/feedback period, like at least a week for crying out loud. Two days? Really? Although if you choose not to, I understand, it's kind of a little late now. -.-It really feels like you're 'forcing a beta test' on people by doing it this way. -.- And that's said by someone who actually likes most of this new system.Now to reply to some of the stuff you said in the last post of the test thread:That's true, but why would you want to do that? It's basically the same thing I said about hiding replies again.. I'm not against it per-se, but I don't see it as a useful feature.First comment on the page has 3000 replies. I click 'show all'. WOAH! There's no WAY I want to read that much. Make it go away! Oh wait, I can't. Hit refresh page.Or, say a comment has 25, 50, or even 100 replies, a much more realistic number. So I read all those, or at least the high-rated ones. Then I read the second comment on the page, then I want to scroll up to the first comment and re-read it. Scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll.... A 'collapse' option exists wherever an 'expand' option exists in UI just about everywhere...for a reason. Just imagine browsing the folders on your hard drive (or your registry if you've ever used regedit) where you could only expand and never collapse without rebooting your computer or exiting and reloading regedit.As far as reverting the rating, it's a similar thing. Just click it again and change it back. It's not hard. Sometimes people like to stay on the same page for awhile, going back and forth and re-reading content. Having no way to return it to its original form without refreshing the page is kind of annoying. I could be scrolling up and down the page and woops, there's two numbers on that comment where all the others only have 1. No way to change it back without a refresh.In short, the answer to "why would I want to" is "because I want to." It's not a necessary thing, it's just a desired one. For the revert rating part. For the collapse replies thing, I'd count that as necessary.I kinda miss it too to be honest, but it didn't make much sense to have a block of green comments followed by a block of white comments.I replied in the poll thread you made. How is that different from the way it was before, for those of us who sorted by rating anyway? More details in that other thread.Basically, just like how deleted comments are visibly different, it's a "you can stop reading here" visual cue. When the block of green text turns into a block of white text, it's a visual cue that the high-rated comments are over. Right now you have NO visual cue of this nature except to manually check the number next to every comment. And the numbers are all the same identical bland gray, too.Those are deleted comments.Why is there a distinction between comments with a negative rating and deleted comments, if deleted comments are permanently visible anyway?Give people the option to hide deleted comments that aren't theirs. It's screen clutter. Sure, it's at the bottom, but it's still screen clutter, not to mention additional server load.Also give people the option to hide comments with less than -5 rating (customizable by user, -5 a default) that are not from the current patch. I would personally set that to 10, so I always see either comments with a high rating, or comments relative to the current patch. But making it customizable allows options for other users.I see this as working just to the right of 'Filter by Patch: X' you have something like:Filter by Patch | (Unless comment is rated above )The second drop down menu could have 0, 5, 10, 25, 50, 100.I see that a lot of users want this.. Maybe make a new thread in the feedback forum asking for it, so people can reply, and if it seems to be very wanted we can implement it.Replied in that other thread.Yeah, I thought about that.. Even about something very similar to your "formula". But I think it will be too confusing for users, and they won't understand on what basis the comments are ordered.We could put a "NEW" badge for comments that have never been voted on (as you suggested), but I don't know how effective it will be without changing the sorting. It's something we have to give some thought about.I'm glad you're thinking about it. This was one of the problems with the old system too, and it's the reason you installed the 'sticky' function. But if you could make it more dynamic and user-driven instead of mods having to 'correct' here and there at their own discretion, that'd be better.The idea for 'above X rating OR current patch' filter is another idea for making newer comments more visible without messing with the sorting on the page.@ the rest of your post:Awesome! Look forward to it. =D
This is pretty unusual, I guess we can get used to it. What I'm worried about is old comments and replies - if someone replied to a comment, and the reply has received a large rating, it will still be at the bottom of the page if the original comment had low score? I guess this works well with the new paradigm that replies should be directly connected to the comment, but there are tons and tons of good existing replies that do not follow this rule. What happens to them?This could be easily remedied by allowing users to detach their replies from comments as we were able to do before.
Thortok2000 you are right it shouldn't have been released so soon. There were other factors at play though which I can't discuss here, but if I could back I would wait a little longer. Oh well, lesson for the future.. This is the first time we did a public testing but we plan to do more in any case for major features, and I'll make sure those will last longer.
This could be easily remedied by allowing users to detach their replies from comments as we were able to do before.This will be implemented as a mod-only feature soon.
This could be easily remedied by allowing users to detach their replies from comments as we were able to do before.This will be implemented as a mod-only feature soon.Why mod-only?
I hate how the new system is organized, I liked having my comment rating nice and high, now it's split into 2. I don't care whether or not the comments are "replies" or not, why can't I have them all summed together? It was nice and organized that way, now I have to nitpick between everything. I would also prefer not to see the comments of mine I have deleted, I deleted them because they weren't any good or didn't have relevant information. And why change the order of which they are shown? I don't want to see all the comments that were posted first because chances are they are extremely outdated or don't have the information I need. Having all the "good" ones together meant I could find what I needed easily, now I'll have to read through pages of potential crap. The arrow thing is a nice change though I will give it that. And having reputation necessary to vote also is great.Seems all very unnecessary to be honest, but maybe that's just me.
That's what he said.
I'm all for making the comments sections less cluttered!
dramatically changing any UI is always hard, but i think that you guys did a really good job with the new comment system. it will take time for people to get used to the change, but in general it makes it much easier to find relevant information. koper, thanks for the hard work and for listening and responding to the userbase.
I'd have to say, we should still be able to up or down vote comment replies.
I miss the old style. Something about the new comments makes me strain more to read them, giving me a headache. It also doesn't scroll smoothly anymore. It's laggier. Much like why I don't visit Wowhead News. Except that's an even bigger, more bloated mess. That brings my browser to a crawl.This chance feels unnecessary, honestly.
You dont get Rep from voting?No, you longer gain reputation from voting, in order to combat people from vote spamming to hit their daily reputation cap, without actually reading the comments.I'd have to say, we should still be able to up or down vote comment replies.Upvoting replies is still possible, in regards to also being able to downrate replies, check (and add your opinion!) in this thread.
My current rep is over 1k even but can't vote etc so wth is going on didn't see that kinda stuff stated.
I think this change is superb, as the information provided on this site fits with the whole StackExchange model quite well. However, I think there's a major problem with migration and the fact that "replies" to comments were not well moderated previously. Many if not all articles will now have a huge number of "replies" down at the bottom (or even in the middle) based on their own reviews. Maybe this is a silly question, but: Since the site is mostly self-moderated by the users, are we to downrate those old comments that should have been replies in attempt to "purge" them from cluttering up the top of the list? Or shall we report them to be turned into "replies of replies" as they should have been?
While some are mourning the loss of their Green Comments, I detested having to scroll-click-scroll-click through pages and pages of comments just to find that green text. And it would just be unnecessary, with the ability to show top comments first.My only "gripe" would be the inability to downrate the short replies. One of the key points that pushed for this change was:
If you find an old reply automatically converted to a comment that doesn't make sense without being associated with the comment it was replying to please report it to the moderators.How do I go about notifying the moderator? I'm hesitant on clicking the report button next to the reply-turned-comment that is disassociated from the original comment and doesn't make sense because if it doesn't ask why I'm reporting it, the moderator won't know what to do with it...
Also, links to comments appear to be broken. A guide I have written uses such a link: http://www.wowhead.com/item=39644#comments:id=632058The item page still loads, but the browser doesn't go to the comment anchor... In fact, since there are 2 pages of comments on that particular item, my browser goes to page 2 and the comment in on page 1, very first comment I believe.