In conclusion, if you want epic shoulders, raid or GTFO.
Loved the story; it was sad, but beautifully done.
Who cares if the player focus is at max-level? Prot paladins in the 70-74 bracket having 22k health is ridiculous. Also being able to never be killed. I have a screenshot in which this paladin went 42-0 in a WSG.Paladins health and survivability is too damn high!
I think the perspective is "reward me for playing the game the way I want to play it." I can understand that perspective.The challenge comes when our design intentions don't mesh with thatThat's correct; that is indeed the challenge. In conclusion, if you want epic shoulders, raid or GTFO.And that is indeed their answer to the "challenge" presented when the designers want to do A and the players want to do B.
So... "Low level PVP is broken, but we're not even going to look at maybe attempting the possibility of fixing it"? Neat. I'm honestly not sure why they bother with the tier armor sets anymore. They are no longer unique, sharing models with other drops. They do provide a unique set bonus, and a bit higher stats, but that's it. I don't think this is an area where Blizz is ever going to win, because they will have the detractors one one side shouting about welfare epics and tier sets, and the "casual" players on the other side who want to be able to progress without the time sink the first group puts into it. Really, those tier sets should look unique, and be available to those with the time and willingness to down bosses, and that's it. A different set, maybe a dungeon set, should be available to the people who can't or don't want to raid. Creating different levels of players isn't bad. It is not a bad thing that you cannot raid and attain tier sets. It is bad when raiding is the only end game.
well I agree with "In conclusion, if you want epic shoulders, raid or GTFO."so yeah gtfo if u don't raid. u can't change the aspect of the game for yourself. you can change games and go elsewhere I dont like to see my raiding efforts to get loot, being laughed at by some people that get gear easily by getting some points.
well I agree with "In conclusion, if you want epic shoulders, raid or GTFO."so yeah gtfo if u don't raid. u can't change the aspect of the game for yourself. you can change games and go elsewhere I dont like to see my raiding efforts to get loot, being laughed at by some people that get gear easily by getting some points.What ever happened to the concept of raiding for the sole sake of fun?Eh regardless, I've said it before a simple compromise would fix the problem for both sides, lower the amount of MUDflation on gear (when say one tier of gear has say +500 stam, and the next tier has +680 stam)If they lowered the stat differentiation between tiers a bit, then everyones happy, the hardcore raider still has the best gear but the more casual player isn't left out in the dust completely.If say Tier 11 has +500 stam and +400 strengthandTier 12 has +530 stam and +420 strengthThe guy decked out in Tier 12 will still have the advantage, but if the guy in T11 is actually a better player he'll still stand a chance against him in PvP and DPS.It also makes aspects such as PvP and raiding less focused on gear itself and more focused on actual skill
i never got the "i want progression, but can't raid" aspect. If you can't raid you don't NEED that progression - you don't need tier shoulders to do cooking dailies and loremaster. A decently geared ( t11) raidgroup can clear out BoT in an hour or two.. this doesn't take a massive amount of time, it's not hard, and even the most casual of PuGs can beat even cho'gall in casual-level gear.If they lowered the stat differentiation between tiers a bit, then everyones happy, no. Entitled is Entitled, and in fairness, I've yet to see a fair entitled. They don't look at the stats, they probably dont even look at the visual aspect of gear. All they see is something they can't get, and they want it. Even if that means threatening to unsub. Sadly, they don't realise no one will be sad to see them go - even blizz are bored of entitled whining.
The guy decked out in Tier 12 will still have the advantage, but if the guy in T11 is actually a better player he'll still stand a chance against him in PvP and DPS.This is already the case. Skilled people in full Heroic blues and 3x Tier 11 will beat amateurs in 4x Tier 12.
i never got the "i want progression, but can't raid" aspect. If you can't raid you don't NEED that progression - you don't need tier shoulders to do cooking dailies and loremaster. .Your comment tells me you have never actually done loremaster. Trust me, you want the best gear you can get, especially the weapon. Even going back and doing old quests in Outland there is a real difference between a weapon that lets you one shot a mob and a weapon that two shots a mob. Doing hundreds of quest and killing thousands of mobs that extra hit adds up and costs you a lot more time.So maybe it's true that you if you don't raid you don't NEED it. But there are definitely activities in the game, like loremaster, where having the extra fire power sure is nice.
We've offered players who don't raid a reasonable way to gear up, and achieve high levels of power. The JP/VP system makes a lot of sense to us, and gives everyone a pretty good personal progression track in addition to loot drops, and we feel pretty good about the system as it stands. That doesn't necessarily mean that we think that full sets are a necessary part of that picture, though.We still want to preserve some of the most prestigious PvE loot for players who face down raid content (even if it's a tier behind), and we feel that completing a tier set means that a raid needs to fit in there somewhere. That design makes sense to us, and we want to preserve some of the reward for facing down those bad guys. We re-adjusted those instances specifically to encourage players to go experience them, and we want to leave some incentives in there for players who check those raids out.So, in conclusion, please kill Nefarian and Cho’gall. They are mean and deserve it.Lol @ the last part. I'm actually not against them keeping the helm/shoulder tier drops a bit restricted. I do sort of wish the tokens dropped off earlier bosses (not the first and second bosses, but somewhere in the middle), but *shrug*.@Tyrande story: Cool story .@PvP Imbalance at lower levels: I'd just do a bit more nerfing of abilities at lower levels. It's been done before and can continue to be done. In addition, some classes, such as Warrior, need to be changed a bit so they don't have to wait for 50+ levels before they can wreck people. For the example of Warrior, I'd just give them an in-combat Charge on the spot, make it usable in all stances, and possibly even drop Intercept (and give Fury a specialized effect to increase the Charge stun duration slightly to compensate for the lack of Intercept Stun, but not as much as the Intercept Stun because Charge stun is off DR).
Nvm raiding for epic shoulders, I would just like some choice of looks especially in the blue market as right now they all look the same.You reach 84 - 85 with 333 shoulders, then update to a 339 which looks the same, then to a 349 which looks the same again. Then to a 358 which again looks exactly the same as all the previous ones.I'm not fussed about being decked out in purples if I don't raid, but I would like some gear which looks nice. Plate sets are especially bad in this area.
Itemlevel 349 or 358 don't exist.
Itemlevel 349 or 358 don't exist.358 are crafted PvP pieces, which looks the same as some 346, the 339, and some 333 >.^
Itemlevel 349 or 358 don't exist.358 are crafted PvP pieces, which looks the same as some 346, the 339, and some 333 >.^I must've messed up that number. But atleast there isn't any 349's.
no. Entitled is Entitled, and in fairness, I've yet to see a fair entitled. They don't look at the stats, they probably dont even look at the visual aspect of gear. All they see is something they can't get, and they want it. Even if that means threatening to unsub. Sadly, they don't realise no one will be sad to see them go - even blizz are bored of entitled whining.Except you didn't actually understand what the Blue post said. They didn't say anything about people feeling 'entitled', in fact they said they believe the opposite is true. Casual players put time into the game too, they pay the same $15/month, and they outnumber 'hardcore' players by at least 9-to-1 If Blizzard chooses to continue to frustrate their desires for progression, more will choose the route I and over 1 million others did in the last nine months: find something else to spend their time and money on.
Both views are correct, people who raid should get better rewards, and people who only 5 man and daily should be able to get a cool looking full set of gear that is actually usable in what they like to do, the two views aren't mutually exclusive. Honestly with Za/Zg you can get a full set of gear that matches at ilvl 353 they just look a little goofy. On the other hand if you can farm Za/Zg then you should be able to crawl through t11 raid content. The problem is that lots of people are intimidated by the prospect of failure and the consequent mockery/disrespect that raiding brings, as well as the minimal amount of social interaction it entails. oh well you can't please everyone...
Those guys have the weakest facial hair ever. They definitely don't play warriors. Or pvp.
The problem is that lots of people are intimidated by the prospect of failure and the consequent mockery/disrespect that raiding brings, as well as the minimal amount of social interaction it entails. That's a common view but I think it's wrong. The reason I don't raid is because it requires too much social interaction. In a 5 man, if the group isn't doing well I can simply leave and and get in line again for a new random dungeon. OTOH, raiding is a huge social time sink. If I'm taking part in a PUG there is a time sink right up front while the raid gets put together, then there are a few wipes to figure out if the group is even capable of downing a boss. There's nothing like blowing an hour or two only to discover that your group sucks and isn't going to down even one boss. Compare that to the 10 minutes I would spend in a five man to come to the same conclusion. The other option is to join a raiding guild. The good news is that a raiding guild eliminates most of the issues with a raid PUG. But the trade off is dealing with all the guild drama outside the raid. Look, I'm not interested in the fact that your BFF is sleeping with your father; I just wanna kill *!@#. You can claim that what I am seeking is all the benefits of a social activity without any of the costs that go along with it. You'd be correct; I want my cake and eat it too. I want exactly what the Blue poster quoted says I want: to be rewarded for playing the game my way. I have zero interest in playing the game your way or, when it comes to raiding, Blizzard's way. Which is why I don't raid.
they(blizz) are really lost with what to do uh ? funny ! someone probably working against then ! perhaps its time for some changes /? new ideias? new people ? no ? ok !