After composing...and deleting about 5 other posts on this subject...I finally think I can sum it up in just a short metaphor. For "many" of us, out first car probably wasn't all that nice. Mine was a 1969 Mustang (an amazing Classic now, but in 1986, it wasn't anything all the special....and it was a piece of crap at that). Even though that car had more issues than the character limit on posts could describe, at that time, it was THE BEST CAR....EVERRR!. After driving that car for a couple years, I had really made some improvements...fixed a lot of the problems, shiny new paint....you get the point. But even then, I started seeing newer cars and trucks, and my Mustang just wasn't as awesome as it was when I was 16. In 1990, I finally couldn't stand that car. It was old, it rattled, it didn't have A/C, or power windows, and it drove like a farm truck. So I traded it......for a 1990 Chevy Cavalier. Yes....I traded one of the most iconic American muscle cars for a 4 cyl economy car. But.....that car was THE BEST CAR EVERRR! It was new, shiny, power everything (except under the hood). I have continued that cycle now for 20+ years.....new car (best ever) becomes a boring piece of crap after a 3 or 4 year run. Every now and then I might get a new set of rims, or better sound system, and for a short while, the old car gets new life, but in the end, it always gets traded in.
Well, Magician... though you have a point about eventual boredom, on the rest of your point ("The car having no automatic windows, etc."), doesn't really apply. World of Warcraft has alternatives, but games trying to bring WoW down so far failed entirelly. There just isn't a game as polished as WoW is, and even if they bring new stuff to the table, they tend to fall short on those small, pesky things that end up annoying people, and are essentially the reason WoW's standing with such dominance. Your analogy implies that there are clearly superior alternatives out there, but for WoW, they're not obvious, crystal clear better.
Your analogy implies that there are clearly superior alternatives out there, but for WoW, they're not obvious, crystal clear better.Actually, its quite the opposite. For a car guy, the '69 Mustang is one of the top Classics of the muscle car era....while the Chevy Cavelier is...well....a piece of crap econo-box. My analogy was more that I had the ultimate ride (WoW), but after a while, something newer and shinier came along and, for a moment, looked like the better alternative, when in fact, it was just something different...not better.
It is no wonder that WoW is loosing subscribers. Blizzard is continuously removing all those little challenges that made the game so versatile. They keep dumbing the game down, and it will soon get to where you can play it without thinking.A dungeon that you can finish on the first try, is not very challenging. A dungeon with all the quest givers inside? Plain dumb! Part of the challenge was picking up those quests, and those who "have to" beg, are usually merely too lazy to pick them up by themselves. Being able to do those quests should be a reward for not being lazy - they should have made them un-sharable in stead (evil grin).I was very fond of the class quests, earning my druid forms, in stead of merely having them served on a platter, crossing continents with my lock to learn how to summon new demons, teaching them new grimoires whenever I had the chance. Rogues had to do a quest to learn poisons, had to level lockpicking. I really miss those things, and I want that back. I would like more class quests. Challenging quests, quests that would force you to learn how to play your class - perhaps with a few suggestions thrown in, like use this or that ability, or it will be hard to complete the quest. Preferably even make the quests one-person by phasing them, so the experience could not be ruined by "helpful" guildies.You're right. I miss spending 45 minutes without a mount walking all over the game to pick up some quest from some guy who wants help but hates civilization. It was tedious and time consuming AN EPIC ADVENTURE!1
It is no wonder that WoW is loosing subscribers. Blizzard is continuously removing all those little challenges that made the game so versatile. They keep dumbing the game down, and it will soon get to where you can play it without thinking.What I have to say goes for your entire post but it's long and I didn't want to quote the whole thing ;) Anyway, you have stated exactly how I've felt for the past year or two. I miss ALL those things you listed and am upset at whiners who complain about xyz being hard. You want time consuming? Roll back the time machine and go level lock picking. Frustratingly long but you felt a big sense of accomplishment when you were done and it was useful back then. Now a rogue doesn't feel like a rogue. Nothing to pick. No chests in dungeons. No gates to open like in Hellfire so you skip icky mobs etc. The list goes on and on for every class and don't even get me started on the work put in to get my lock mount back in the day.Don't get me wrong, hard doesn't make it better. But giving it to you on a silver platter makes you unappreciative. There could have been a happy medium.
This seems like a nice alternative to the WoW mindless gameplay that is becoming outdated fast. I was never a GW fan but now that I'm bored to tears I thought I'd look around and found this, which I'm sure all of you already have and I'm just late to the "party".http://www.arena.net/blog/guild-wars-2-design-manifesto
As a guildmate just said in guild chat: "All 300k were shaman." I lol'd.Actually, I'm a shaman, and I haven't played in a couple months... =\\ But it really has nothing to do with me being a shaman; just that everyone I know has also quit and its lonely being alone.
Its a fact that wow is old and that it has nothing more to offer then it did back in the days. Someone said how ppl can say tbc was the best when they qq at the tbc time, i can say that for me to tbc was the best. Back in the days when i was about to log into game i was happy to see all those ppl online, couldnt wait for the evening to raid with them and afterward do some fun or pvp.Now when i need to log the picture in my head is different, oh again those molten dailies and again firelands in the evening and the funny thing is my guild that usualy had 30-40 online ppl over the day back in wotlk was reduced to maybe 4-5 and then all log on, raid is done and ppl start to log off in large numbers, an hour after the raid u are back to those 4-5 ppl and same thing over and over. Same is with the ppl u knew from the old days, for me i could say 80% or more stoped when cata hit. Cata is shown as the best expansion where new players could enjoy and not have so hard time adopting and that is the reason that wow still stands strong, new players. The other mayor factor are botters that over the years become normal an noone gives a crap for them, for sure they make atleast 20% of the players if not even more. In my eyes wow is at the stage where it will continue to lose ppl and in the end it will shut down, ofc it will not be soon but i can say i was not thinking like this in the wotlk but for some reason from the cata smth happend and wow was changed drasticly for me and i know for others to.At least 20% of what, 11 million players are bots? 2.2 million bots? That is, you know, rather unlikely.And I don't (of course) know how it works in your guild, but the activity outside raiding gradually decreased during TBC, just as it did during WotLK and during the first months of Cata. When stuff gets old, it stops being interesting. For the guild part i can agree, but when wotlk hit i remember staying on the vent talking to my guidies about the raid and generaly having fun , these days ppl tend to consider wow like work that u hate( talking about the smaller group of ppl i am in ~ 50 active raid members), u log on to raid, finish the raid and jump few mins in org/sw log off and u stayed loged off till the next raid, kinda same with my old friends on the server. The bot part in my eyes is true, real boter dont have only 1 acc, u usualy have around 8 or more since x bot site with 1 licence can run 8 wow windows and i know few ppl that are actualy heavy boters boting ~20 hrs a day neting them ~20k a day by selling raw mats. So u only need to spend the initial money to get the acc and from there its all profit since its so easy to get gc or any expansion for gold. U simply inv a buyer to a freindly 500+ ppl leveling guild and transfer him any amount of gold and for the current rate of around 0.50$ for a k gold u sell to the chinese u can make ok money for not doing almost nothing. Also i am kidna sure blizzard exactly knows who is boting(dont tell me its not wierd some1 playing 120 hrs a week for 6 straight months is normal) but they wont ban them just bcs they would lose in my opinio ~ 20% of players not to talk that the economy of server would go to hell.
i had 4 accounts i closed one to reduce my monthly payments im sure out of the 11 million subscribers theres lots of people who have done the same.. specially to do the recruit a friend speed levelling for yourself
Do not care much if people leave the game, blizz surely does due they lose revenues. You still gotta remember wow is still huge compared to its competioners so it too fail hard will not happen in years aka dwindle down to extinction.There is probarly many reason who plays in why so many left atm, if the figure are correct completly.
I just canceled my subscription because:The new content sucks, it's the Tourney all over again with the Dailies and a single raid I have no interest in going to because I already killed Ragnaros 4 years ago, why farm gear just like I did when Cata came out to kill him again just with new loot? It's uninteresting and boring, and even my lore happy side could careless. Signing on for Cataclysm is just a huge effing chore when you hit 85 because everything is just point grinding and daily questing while they nerf every class except for mages. Making a ticket about ANYTHING is a mandatory 2 day wait, and your response isn't even related to the SIMPLE question you ask, so you make a new ticket and after doing this 3 times they dont bother responding. And no matter what you write on your survey the service wont get any better. They dont care as long as you paid them and as long as you continue to pay them and I will NOT shell out money each month for people who wont answer a yes or no question.And you know what? Rift was on sale that week for 20 bucks on Steam. I totally snagged it and am enjoying fresh new content in a brand new way while playing my other much more fun games. In fact, everything awesome is cheap on Steam and I buy cheap games faster than I can beat them and its FUN.TLDR: Wow sucks now. Whats the point? Im doing other stuff.
But there's a lot of what ifs. No one even knows what titan is/will be. People claim it'll be a WoW killer. Wasn't Rift supposed to be as well? The thing is they have something that is already working, but they are breaking it instead of trying to fix it.
In fact, everything awesome is cheap on Steam and I buy cheap games faster than I can beat them and its FUN.CoughTerrariaCoughAnd your solution is quite simply the easiest and best one. If you are tired of the game, stop playing. Let's see what the next quarters numbers look like. That will determine the rate of decline for WoW over the next few years if it stays steady between 3-4 quarters. Watch out for a 300-500k unsub rate and we'll see what happens.
This seems like a nice alternative to the WoW mindless gameplay that is becoming outdated fast...http://www.arena.net/blog/guild-wars-2-design-manifestoIndeed! Thanks for pointing it out. I'm going for the GW trial today.Another alternative is Rift. I love the souls system, which is a wast improvement over WoW's "talents". They actually give you real choices.
I don't realy enjoy reading retarded comments but i had to say something here.Ppl complaining about what content is released and in what time are just kds who never got the chance to actualy raid.The world's best guld took 2-3-4 weeks to down Ragnaros on heroic which is something that you don't see after every new raid content.Making a new content requires time and Blizzard are allways trying to make t the best possible.There is no easy content! There are just people that were strong enough to deal with it one way or another.Half of the kids in this forums just want to look like grown ups and are talking crap.Do you think that Blizzard would have been the world's greatest Game company ever if they didn't know what they are doing?Those sub's they lost are just kids who could never even try the raid.I am a serious raider my self and i can tell that Firelands is one of the best raid's ever made and its entertaining in both normal and heroic.
Blizzard has now entered a state of were greed takes over their minds. The end of their company is getting closer...
Blizzard has now entered a state of were greed takes over their minds. The end of their company is getting closer...Greed is good. Greed looks at a large decrease in a subscriber base and tries to figure out how to reverse it.The best chance WoW has is for a group of competent people with some executive power in the company to get very greedy very quickly.
Blizzard has now entered a state of were greed takes over their minds. The end of their company is getting closer...The end of their company? With 3+ games on the way and more to come after them? Of course it's coming, every company ends at one time or another, but it's very very far off yet.
Is no one taking into consideration the lack of funding some people have encountered over that last year? I know if I lost my job and it came down to $15 a month for a video game or $15 for food or shelter, the game would be gone. I think numbers will go back up as people find jobs. We've lost 4 just this month from our guild due to job loss and cut hours.
They are sticking to the same formula that made WotlK such a maligned expansion.People are leaving in droves because Blizzard seem content to listen to the vocal minority and fix things that aren't broken.Why should people work hard for gear, raid, raid heroic levels earn titles, then have that acheivement cheapened by Blizz nerfing the hell out of the content so every man and his guide dog can achieve the same a month or so later. And yeah all you (Ghetto Kingslayers) I'm looking at you.The draw of a game like WoW to many players is the achievement, the ability to get something very few others have.These days seeing a hunter with a rare pet impresses me more than seeing a raiding title.