I'm a female and I often find myself leading the raid. However, most guilds seem to be led by men. I often tend to be straight forward and assertive, two qualities praised in men and shunned in women. So it's interesting. There's really no question. We know there is still not gender equality in the world (or on Azeroth) where power and respect are concerned. When one wishes to fling an insult to a man all someone has to do is imply he's a woman, or acting like a woman.Even the prominent female leaders in World of Warcraft are portrayed as soft and submissive. Jaina is a sentimental whiner who can't move past her past with Arthas. Tyrande is almost nonexistent in the conflicts, in fact most people probably don't know who she is.
I leads my raids. I am male, and you can make your own assumptions about my temper by looking at my profile name.
I maintain control by commanding the respect of those around me, part of which is being not only a skilled player but a tough, formidable individual. Aetsu, I know you really like to go off on long-winded philosophical posts explaining why you're awesome and brilliant and everyone else is crap, but the answer to the OP actually interests me, so: Can you tell us something about your personal experiences with male and female raid leaders? I sincerely want to know what led you to conclude that female wow players are worse raiders. (not that I'm not saying you're wrong, just curious about WHY you think that, using examples and not your opinion about each gender's biological inclinations)
Out of four guilds I have been in, three had female GMs and the one that was led by a guy had a female second in command (who was the original founder).So, maybe it's just the kind of guild I look for (mature players, family friendly, etc.), or maybe it says something about leadership. I think women in general tend to be more democratic as leaders, where guys tend to be more authoritarian/dictatorial. My current guild is the only raiding guild I've been in. Most guild decisions are made by a small group of officers (two females and three males) who founded the guild together (out of the ashes of a previous raiding guild that fell apart). The GM is female. Her husband leads one of the raid teams. The GM and myself share leadership of the other raid team. When we all raid together, we either take turns as leader or more often just share the responsibility. It works out amazingly well.I am a woman and would love to lead raids in a *good* raiding guild. As it is, I have yet to find one that is not elitist, and establishing a good one and going through the recruiting process is painful, and I just don't have that much time to devote to it (yet!).With that being said, I have never ever had a raid lead by a woman, that I can recollect. In fact, in all my guilds that have fallen apart, it has been over another girl in the guild causing drama/fights/breakups in an online relationship.I can also agree that in an age of technology, it makes me want to pursue Psychology as a major in college, (after 3 years in a different major,haha) and then study online gaming interactions. People are angry and mean to each other online constantly, so I think a good question to ask is - what about the anonymity of the internet unleashes that pent up rage? What makes it okay to say horrible things to another person, when you would *never* say that to a person face-to-face? But it IS interesting, and it *does* make the mind boggle. Very good points you have, you have made me think even more about how the internet shapes us!You might find it interesting to check out our guild, then. I think you would find it very different from the others you've described! We're always looking for other mature individuals, especially if they have an interest in leading raids. :-)
Guild Leader: FemaleShe also tends to be the raid leader.I've had even luck in pugs for female vs male, honestly.
1 Community member is female, rest of the guild is fully males.
Something else I would like to add.I believe the tanks are in the best position to raid lead for obvious and not so-obvious reasons. I do my best to raid lead while healing, this involves watching what everyone else is doing to discover who is making mistakes and on what mechanics so I can correct it, but it takes away from my focus on healing and occasionally get very close to losing people.The tanks have more freedom since they are in control of the boss/adds and can focus more on what's going on around them, giving instructions to the raid accordingly. A great DPS is likely to be intensely focused on maximizing their damage (Watching DoTs, cooldowns, runes, procs, etc) while trying not to die, healers following the mechanics while keeping the raid alive and saving people who screw up and drop dangerously low, but tanks have less stress in those areas once he has control of the mobs.
I prefer woman raid leaders, but I've had a rash of male ones. Woman leaders tend to take things at a calmer and slower pace even when absolutely furious with the way we're doing. I tend to try and emulate that myself when I lead.
My raids are led by a male/female combo. =]
Our usual raid leader is an ex-navy guy, in his mid 40s. He works as some sort of security analyst I believe. He's the type of guy who can always hide his emotions and say what is on his mind and explain what he sees as wrong calmly. He never yells at players who make him mad, nor does he berate them. He'll explain calmly, and sternly if need be, what needs to be changed. However, when he leaves the raid channel to talk to the officers, he'll show his true colors. But even then, he never yells, at least not on vent.He also tries to keep things friendly. He's always got a joke or two, he's willing to talk to anyone, even those who are 30 years his junior. He'll give everyone a chance to succeed.Every raid he'll explain everything thats going on. He makes expectations clear, be prepared, have flasks, watch the vid at tankspot, etc. He makes sure everyone is on the same page before going in.Never really had a female raid leader.
I have been lead by both and honestly I have no problem being led by either as long as the person knows the fights and can explain and handle them well. When I was leading raids I had a female guildie that helped me organize the teams and co-lead raids with me. We are a pretty laid back easy going guild though and everyone gets along pretty well so raiding isn't a stressful thing nor in my mind should it ever be.
My current raid leader is a woman. Most of my past raid leaders have been men, but a former female officer used to raid lead occasionally too.I do it from time to time, but only if there's no one else available to do it. It's not my gender, I'm just bad at it.
The successful ones in terms of attendance and outcomes we've had have been female. The male one's we've had have been very selfish - in both their expectations of the raid as a whole and loot etc for themselves.I've found the females to be harsh but fair. All have had a good understanding of the raid as a whole, haven't gone stupid about loot and have the patience. They also have the balls to put their foot down but in a way that comes across diplomatically.I have one exception to this though, a great male who shows the same traits... so I'm not sure how gender specific those traits are. But I've seen them more in females (and those females were 25+ years of age).
I'm in a guild where the leader is male as well as all the officers (myself included). I do know that some of the women in the guild have been offered an officer's position, but they turned it down because they didn't want to micromanage a lot of "type A" personalities.As far as capabilities between male and female raid leaders go, gender doesn't matter to me. Give me someone who is capable, knowledgeable, and deserving of my respect without having to (I added emphasis to a word that is generally used in place of "demanding"):Aestu said:maintain control by commanding the respect of those around me, part of which is being not only a skilled player but a tough, formidable individual.Unfortunately Aestu, being a "tough, formidable individual"(sic) doesn't make you a good raid leader. I've been dealing with people, both customers and co-workers, with this mindset for a lot longer than I care to admit. Unfortunately, what you are probably seeing as respect for you is probably nothing more than simple following of orders coming from the raid lead position. True respect is earned - not demanded.With that said, my above observation is based upon what I have gleaned from your posts on the Wowhead forums. I ask that you do not take what I have said as a personal attack as I have not raided with you, nor do I know you outside the game.@OPUpbringing, age, education, life experience and political position do affect how someone will lead a raid or guild. Gender really doesn't make much of a difference.
I'm female and I mainly just PuG raids, not in a guild right now. Seems to be an even mix of female and male leaders for me.
My guild's main raid leader and auxiliary raid team leader are both women. In fact, our raid teams both have about half and half women and men.The main raid team leader is also our GM, and she's a really cool person. (She kills Lich Kings and doesn't afraid of anything)
I have raided with both female and male RLer's. I much preferred the male leader. The female was pushy, thought she knew the instances much, much better than anyone so was not open to suggestions, despite repeated wipes, which I found disappointing. I even gave up raiding for a while after raiding several times with her and not accomplishing anything other than constantly shelling out for repairs and feeling totally bummed out about my skills. The female was my first time raiding and was my Guild Raid leader whom I had total confidence in up until raiding with her. After a disagreement with her and she left the guild, I ran with a male from another Guild and was totally blown away by the extreme opposite experience! He was much calmer, much more skilled at relaying the information and relaxed at the thought of 'noobs' and wiping. It was great and since then we have formed a 'sister-guild' type of relationship for raiding purposes. I have also started preparing, organizing, leading and running my own raids. I tend to form them, give info out and then turn the raid over to someone who has more experience but, I always have the bottom line say so should something occur that needs to be 'ruled on'. I will also say that, I am an older female, in fact I am a Grandmother, I am GM of my Guild, I DPS on my main, tank on my DK and have several alts and alt guilds. *smile* I rule my Guild like my family however, I do have Co-Guild leaders and it tends to be like a democracy, up to a point. My strongest co-leader is a female. My 'enforcer' is a female. My guild is at this point 50/50 females and males. So, far, I have not had a man leave due to me being female. I have kicked plenty for being 'men' however....that's another issue.
I'm a male raid leader and guild leader. Unlike a lot of the posts here say, I'm a softy when it comes to guild management, and unless it's fails on pulls same goes for raids. :<As for preference, I've had one third of my raid leaders female, the other two thirds male. I honestly prefer female, because most of the time, they're friendly and get the job done.
Lets see.First ever true raiding guild was a sausage fest qwe had like 2 females, both of them horrible in the best sense of the word.The guild after that.. We had a guild leader/Co GM Couple, both Co-Raid Leaded. As well as an Officer couple. So, yeah it was a good mix.Another, sausage fest guildAnd a good mix of people. We have about 4 females, 6 males in our raid 10man. We have a male raid leader, but seems as if that we have a female always bossing us around and explaing fights. There is most likely a good mixture, between the two just depends on servers ect quality of players and !@#$ like that.
Lots of husband wife combo's leading raids, all my guild leaders have been male though But that has to do with my server our server is quite male focused