Cataclysm: Justice/Valor Point Drop Quantities

posted 2010/10/06 at 11:48 AM by fewyn

NethaeraJustice Points16 Justice Points23 Justice Points75 Justice Points75 Valor Points105 Valor Points

Although we’ve revealed some details of the conversion process, many of you have asked how many Justice and Valor Points bosses and daily dungeons will actually award. This list is incomplete, and the values may still change, but it covers the majority of the content we’ve been asked about.

Lich King Heroic dungeon boss -- 16 Justice Points
Lich King daily normal dungeon -- 12 Justice Points
Lich King daily Heroic dungeon -- 23 Justice Points
Lich King raid boss -- 23 Justice Points

Cataclysm Heroic dungeon boss -- 75 Justice Points
Cataclysm daily normal dungeon -- 75 Justice Points
Cataclysm daily Heroic dungeon -- 75 Valor Points
Cataclysm 10-player raid boss -- 75 Valor Points
Cataclysm 25-player raid boss -- 105 Valor Points

It’s important to note that once you outgrow content, by leveling past it by a predetermined amount, you’ll no longer gain points. The ‘outgrown’ level for end-game Wrath of the Lich King content is likely to be level 81. Once you level beyond Lich King content you’ll still be able to enter the dungeons, kill bosses, and see their drops, but they will not award you with points. This same principle applies to all content that provides Justice Points, including content from The Burning Crusade.

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Comment by Crucifisk About time we get to know the amounts from bosses:) Great! Comment by TK0680 Still the crucial piece of the jigsaw missing: what will various items cost, in JP/VP? Comment by Jayman703 Still the crucial piece of the jigsaw missing: what will various items cost, in JP/VP?Comment by Kanariya Seems like it will take longer to get gear with points than it did to get gear with emblems. I like this idea. Comment by sleepypirate Still the crucial piece of the jigsaw missing: what will various items cost, in JP/VP?Comment by Crucifisk I believe MMO-Champion has posted the costs for items, at least the blue justice points gear. Hopefully Wowhead will do the same in a not so distant future!

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Valor Points Rewards Comment by Varaconn Still the crucial piece of the jigsaw missing: what will various items cost, in JP/VP?Valor ItemsJustice ItemsComment by johnnyrizzle Why do 25 man and 10 man bosses give different point values considering the new focus on 10/25 just being playstyle differences, rather than difficulty differences? Comment by fewyn Why do 25 man and 10 man bosses give different point values considering the new focus on 10/25 just being playstyle differences, rather than difficulty differences?Comment by jooquase Still the crucial piece of the jigsaw missing: what will various items cost, in JP/VP?Valor ItemsJustice ItemsComment by Kuno2 Prices, as of 9/27/2010 (subject to change):

Valor:
(Epic, ilvl 359)
Relics: 800
Cloaks, Rings: 1250
Boots, Gloves, Trinkets: 1650
Chest: 2200

Justice:
(Rare, ilvl 346)
Weapon, Shield, Held in Off Hand: 950
Neck: 1250
Gloves, Shoulders, Belt: 1650
Chest, Helm, Legs: 2200 Comment by KieranM17
Thats interesting, it looks like the costier items (for both currencies) are about 30 bosses and the cheaper are only about 22 bosses. considering that the wotlk things can be bought with 95/60 for frost or 75/30 for triumph, these things are way cheaper than they used to.Comment by Manestone I can't believe that our heroic emblems are not even going to be good for epic items. Seems a little bit lame imho. Altho nothing is final yet so could change. Comment by Varaconn Not to mention, you're spending Justice points on blues.

I'm also wondering if they're planning to make badge gear a tiny bit less competitive -- good enough for a boost, but not so good that you wouldn't replace it by doing the content it's intended for. Comment by Jayman703 Prices, as of 9/27/2010 (subject to change):

Valor:
(Epic, ilvl 359)
Relics: 800
Cloaks, Rings: 1250
Boots, Gloves, Trinkets: 1650
Chest: 2200

Justice:
(Rare, ilvl 346)
Weapon, Shield, Held in Off Hand: 950
Neck: 1250
Gloves, Shoulders, Belt: 1650
Chest, Helm, Legs: 2200Comment by KieranM17 Not to mention, you're spending Justice points on blues.

I'm also wondering if they're planning to make badge gear a tiny bit less competitive -- good enough for a boost, but not so good that you wouldn't replace it by doing the content it's intended for.Comment by lankybrit Interesting. So for LK Heroics, each boss will be 16 JPs and you'll get 23 JPs for finishing the daily.

One would think that you'd get 32 for the daily, but I guess they've downed it to 23 to try and encourage groups to stop skipping bosses.

Cheers. Comment by Spazmoose I can't believe that our heroic emblems are not even going to be good for epic items. Seems a little bit lame imho. Altho nothing is final yet so could change.Comment by Rodderz Why two tiers? Did they not learn from the ridiculousness that was the Wrath badge system?

Have one currency and scale the cost of the gear through the progression like they have been doing on PvP for years! Comment by Spazmoose This announcement actually makes me curious as to why Blizzard chose the conversion ratios that it did.

Pre-4.0.1 Random Daily Heroic = 2 Emblem of Frost/Triumph (EoF/EoT)
Post4.0.1 Random Daily Heroic = 23 Justice Points (JP)

Which would mean: 1 EoF/EoT = 11.5 JP

However, Blizzard has stated that the conversion ratio during the 4.0.1 patch will be:
1 EoF/EoT = 11.58 JP

It seems to me that Post-4.0.1 Justice Points are "worth" less than Pre-4.0.1, which may be due to the change in difficulty based on talent changes, etc., but it still seems a bit odd to me that they would increase it by such a minuscule amount.

If you are curious, with the cap being at 4000 JP, it will take only 346 EoF/EoT to reach the cap using the 1:11.58 conversion ratio, while it would take 348 EoF/EoT if the conversion ratio was set to 1:11.5; a whopping difference of 2 Emblems, which is the equivalent of 1 Raid Boss.

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