The troubling thing at this point is that a tier gives about 7 points worth of talents, but next tier requires 5. This means there is next to nothing is terms of variation between builds. As my friend said, they might have just given you one button "choose shadow priest".Other than that, I generally like that talents are being streamlined. Waiting for next pass.
Looks like healers are meant to do a bit of damage in cataclysm.I'm guessing those that choose those talents will most likely PvP over PvE. Those just sound like PvP talents IMO. However if you wanna do that stuff in PvE, Be my guest :)
i believe, you get it as a spell, (like travel and cat form)
It doesn't matter that it's a first pass. What matters is the current *direction*. People are providing feedback to make sure the next build goes in the right direction. No one with a brain thinks these talents are the live build.
The priest disc level 10 spell is PENANCE?o.0Edit: There's a bug. If you fill out the talent tree, then take points out, you can't seem to fill some talents. Like say I filled the marksman and survival talent trees, I can't fill the BM tree even if I take points out without resetting a talent tree.
Sadly I dislike, It takes away from the utter creativity you could have when playing with the talents. For example, a friend I had got bored, and completely revamped raiding by making a dual wielding resto shaman who's sole purpose was to spam chain heal and get earthliving on everyone, sort of like a resto druid. Interesting and fun specs like that cannot exist with such a system.
Looks like there will be no way around traps if you're a survival hunter. You have to max out the first tier in survival to avoid putting points in traptalents. When you then arrive at the third tier you find 3 (!) talents that concern traps and 1 melee ability (which noone will ever pick).Also, I don't feel like picking up a hittalent as UH DK just so I don't have to pick another useless ability. The previous, big trees were much better.
its nice if you havent played the class before, but if you did , there's nothing new at all
wow, i was pretty skeptical at first when i heard what they were doing to the talent trees but now seeing it for what it is right now... o_o i'm just really glad it's a first pass and hope they do a lot of revamping in the future. i could see how it could be great, but as of right now it's pretty much crap. one of my toons in the game is an ele shammy and filling out points in the elemental tree, i mean... there's no room for anything fun really. all the points spent are all points that are needed, and everything else not taken is stuff like the enhancement talent wasted in the ele tree and a pvp talent and a shock cd reduction talent. the only time i get to play with points is after i've spent 5 points into the enhancement tree, that are again obvious 'needed' talents, i get to play with 2 points left over. i figured there would be more fun talents, but as of right now it's all the same "this is the cookie cutter talent build and if you're not specced like this you're a noob" crap. so, obviously, i'm definately looking forward to some future changes to the trees cuz there's almost no play in these builds. they took out some crap talents and left you with other crap talents, not the fun ones that were mentioned. that's just my 2 copper for how the trees are as of right now, standing by for some more revisions.
I don't like this at all. Why not just create 3 buttons : Discipline, Holy, Shadow? Cos thats where this is heading to, obviously. If you ask me, this is definitely consolisation of WoW.
If this stays close to what it is ... I will be playing something else. I hate the lack of creativity that is displayed here. I saw in another post about how Blizz removed talents that everyone took, those talents were needed to survive in this game. /facepalm
meh, I'm liking the current talent trees more and more, at least with them you have some choice. Lets hope blizz scraps this and instead just adds the new talents on.
There's a bug...If you spend all your talent points (fill up a tree and then put the extras in another tree), and then decide to remove some of those talents from the extra tree, you can't put them in the filled tree. It's like it's locked.And, for the 8 or so specs I play, I haven't found a single bit of "choice." We're still forced into cookie-cutter specs.Dude, as demonology, do you really think healing your pet would increase your DPS? What they meant with choice is that you don't have to skip speccing in an attack you like. For example. I was destruction before. I wasn't allowed to specc in Shadowfury to get the absolute best specc in PvE. That's what they meant with choice.
I'm not impressed by this for Druids who frequently will spread across Balance and Resto for their tree. To get some semblence of what I have now, I am forced to take on what appears to be non PvE Raid friendly Starsurges and the like to trigger into talents which I need.Also, not happy at the fact that I have to spend 31 in Balance before being able to opt into Resto for my Shapeshifting talents. Is it just me or is it a 'der' factor having a talent to save mana/rage on shapeshifting to Moonkin or Feral that neither can utilise until the tree of their choosing hits 31?I'm not liking the fact that I am forced to select things that appear to be of no use in the PvE environment. While I do PvP, I would prefer more control over what talents I want.Or is it just me?At the moment, I'm not sure I'm happy with the way Moonkins are headed. I eagerly await more info from Blizz on this one, especially the spells.
Having trouble loading the rogue talent tree.
/delete accounti spose ill wait till this garbage goes live.
I utterly hate what Blizzard is doing to the talent trees. I'm not complaining about the actual talents- the whole system now (I actually really like some of the new talents) is wrecked. If they don't drastically change the direction they're headed in there will be absolutely NO creativity or variation in specs, and with the locked trees until they're maxed and any off-tree ability talents out of reach you will basically at level 10 be choosing: Shadow/Holy/Disc with no fun. Another, I suppose less urgent problem, is that currently it's already harder to identify people who are bad and cause your raid to wipe (ie. dps who don't dps snobolds or tanks that can't taunt when they need to- player problems) because of simplified requirements and the innovation of "gearscore" rather than asking for relevant stats or actually NEEDING a good guild to raid. With upcoming massive stat simplifications the only indication of a bad player would be their spec, which will now be so simple that will not even flag them as knowledgeable.EDIT:If these types of changes to the talent trees go live I'll be quitting WoW. It just won't even be the same game anymore- no amount of fantastic graphics can fix obliterated game-play.
Looking at the way the new trees are laid out made me kind of nostalgic. To see this many talents like back in vanilla was nice. Not the huge monstrosity that we have now. But, this is far from perfect.While I like the fact they got rid of a lot of 'must take talents' and consolidated them into passive abilities. There are still a few problems. Like a few others have said, cookie cutter builds are still going to be there and possibly be the new noob indicator. I think if it remains the way it is now; every 'insertspec' 'class' is going to be the same. I don't think this is what Blizz wants or intends to let go Live.But, with this being the first pass at the whole new 'new' talent idea we can only hope that things get better.
Overall, I like the new approach they are taking with the talents. Cutting them down in size was inevitable, could you image if they just carried on extending the tree's and giving us 1 talent point per level. By level 100, we would have had 91 talent points!Carrying on along that path would have just led to an almost endless list of possible builds and variations that would have made balancing a complete nightmare.By cutting down the talent tree's and forcing us to pick a primary tree, Blizz will now have a much clearer picture on talent spec's. This will allow them to spend less time balancing class/specs and more time creating cool new content.It doesn't matter that it's a first pass. What matters is the current *direction*. People are providing feedback to make sure the next build goes in the right direction. No one with a brain thinks these talents are the live build.Thats kinda the problem, if you read though the numerous threads about the new talent tree's, you can see that there are a lot of players with no common sense and act as though these are going live next week. After the big announcement the other week about talent tree changes, this build looks like its been rushed out of the door. There is probably another 2-4 months left in beta testing, we can expect to see these builds undergo huge changes between now and live.
I'm quite frankly a bit disappointed, as out of the specs that I with 4 alts and my wife with 3, there are about 2 that have any sort of choice involved. Just go down, clicking the talents that are GLARINGLY OBVIOUS (such as yer whiffle does more dmg when you are a whiffle rogue, or even more OBVIOUS, the ability to whiffle as a whiffle rogue), and before you know it, you're at the bottom of the tree. Take exactly ten seconds to look at the second tier of the other two trees. One of them will have GLARINGLY OBVIOUS good things in it. Put the points there. Done. It took me all of two seconds to spec my main spec hance sham, whereas as of right now it's a srs choice between mana regen or more fire totem dmg. This is just an example, but you see where I'm going with this. I personally fail to see how making less talents, and the ones that were kept were basically all good, with few exceptions, is going to make talent choices more individualized. In point of fact, it appears to have had the opposite effect. Sure, I may have to choose one or two talent points, but as the game is live right now, I can choose hundreds more variations that are actually viable. I checked, it looked like there were four viable enhancement shaman specs. That's just one of 30, but it didn't appear to be all that different. Oh, and Blood DK's appear to have the ability, and the desire, according to that talent tree, to just put every point in blood. Nice. Not liking this, hoping for more revisions.PS As a side note, I was apparently the only person on earth that REALLY liked the percentages thing you put at the top of the talent trees when you put points into your main spec. It actually made it more of a choice to put more points into the off spec vs points into main spec. I REALLY REALLY REALLY wish you would put that back in.PPS Another footnote, one of the advantages of having so many talent points to choose from is relatively easily being able to tell who's fail and who's not. I know that may go against your design goals of making the game easier for lil 8 year old Johnny, but as a raider who recruits, it's nice to be able to glance at a talent tree, an inspection window, a raw gear score, some gems, and a dps meter, ane be able to tell who's pullin the weight and who I'm carrying. Without failures, there is no success. PPPS last one I swear : to the posters who are saying this is a first build, the actual problem I have with this isn't the fact of which talents were included and how it's goinig to be implemented, it's that I have a problem with the game developers making the game more accessible and easier to play in general; I *want* it to be f*cking hard and require some math and research, to keep the retarded kids out of my raids, and from wasting my time.