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Changes to Dispels in Cataclysm

posted 2010/04/05 at 8:27 PM by fewyn

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We wanted to introduce some of the changes to dispel mechanics coming in Cataclysm. Our goals were to make dispelling a little less trivial to do in PvP, and to make sure there is more equity in dispel capabilities among healers in both PvP and PvE.

Within the system, there are currently five types of dispellable (or curable) buffs and debuffs: curse, disease, poison, defensive magic, and offensive magic. An example of defensive magic dispelling would be using a dispel to free a polymorphed ally, while offensive magic dispelling would be utilizing a dispel ability to strip away an enemy’s buff or heal-over-time (HoT) spell. The main distinction between these two types is in whether or not you can target an enemy with your dispel.

In Cataclysm each healing class will be getting three out of the five types of dispels, with one of these always being a defensive dispel magic. This design makes sure that finding a healer with the ability to remove magic isn’t restrictive in building teams for Arenas or rated Battlegrounds. It also allows the encounter designers to assume, when designing dungeon or raid fights, that every group can dispel magic.

In addition, we're making the opportunity cost (what the player could have accomplished with different actions) for dispelling a bit steeper. We think the cost is too low for three reasons: 1) The actual mana cost is low. 2) You never waste a dispel. If you try to dispel a debuff that isn’t there then the dispel just won’t go off. 3) We have spells that remove debuffs with minimal input on the part of the player. In Cataclysm we are raising the mana costs, making it possible to waste mana by casting a dispel when there is nothing to dispel, and removing Cleansing Totem, Abolish Disease, and Abolish Poison from the game. With these changes in mind, we are working to plan dungeon and raid encounters where dispels aren’t in constant demand or spammed in order to be successful, though some need for dispels will still be a part of the design.

As previously mentioned, we are providing three dispel capabilities to all healing classes as follows:

Druids will be able to dispel defensive magic, curses, and poison.
Paladins will be able to dispel defensive magic, diseases, and poison.
Priests will be able to dispel defensive magic, offensive magic, and disease.
Shaman will be able to dispel defensive magic, offensive magic, and curses.

There is some trade-off that is being made in making these changes and we wanted to expand on this further.

Protection and Retribution paladins will lose their current ability to dispel magic.
All shaman will lose dispel disease and dispel poison in exchange for Restoration gaining dispel magic.
Restoration shaman, Restoration druids, and Holy paladins will need to talent into their defensive magic dispels.
Shadow priests won’t be able to remove disease in Shadowform.
Mage, hunter, and warlock will retain their current dispel mechanics.
Body and Soul remains the same, and basically any dispel mechanic not mentioned above is currently planned to remain as it is.
When possible, we’d like to combine dispels into a single action. For example, the druid ability to dispel curses and poisons might be a single spell with a Restoration talent that also allows it to dispel magic. This part of the design isn’t finalized, however.

As with all of our Cataclysm previews, keep in mind that any of these decisions could change when we’re in beta.

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Comment by Octavix What's this then? More Cataclysm infos!

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Well, it would seem Boub may be right (again, lol). Why would Blizzard spoil so much, in such a relatively short period of time? Beta incoming! Comment by Adamsm What's this then? More Cataclysm infos!

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Well, it would seem Boub may be right (again, lol). Why would Blizzard spoil so much, in such a relatively short period of time? Beta incoming!Comment by Octavix What's this then? More Cataclysm infos!

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Well, it would seem Boub may be right (again, lol). Why would Blizzard spoil so much, in such a relatively short period of time? Beta incoming!Comment by Adamsm 1) The Retaking of Gnomeregan / Echo Isles: Why tell us of the event if its not coming for another 6 months down the pipe? We'll be seeing the aftereffects in Cataclysm beta, that's why.Comment by Wildhorn Beta incoming!Comment by TomatoSauce Why are they removing the Cure over Time abilities?

Those were good. Comment by DragonofLife Why are they removing the Cure over Time abilities?

Those were good.Comment by DELAfrikiism With this focus on dispel mechanics, makes me wonder if we are going to see poisons/curses/etc in a different light come Cataclysm. Comment by Misentro Why are they removing the Cure over Time abilities?

Those were good.We have spells that remove debuffs with minimal input on the part of the player. In Cataclysm we are raising the mana costs, making it possible to waste mana by casting a dispel when there is nothing to dispel, and removing Cleansing Totem, Abolish Disease, and Abolish Poison from the game. With these changes in mind, we are working to plan dungeon and raid encounters where dispels aren’t in constant demand or spammed in order to be successful, though some need for dispels will still be a part of the design.Comment by dartkun I've always hated the merging of classes. IMHO (can't stress this enough) it doesn't remove the problem that some classes are still needed.

For example, a proper spread of cleansing now would be Druid/Priest and Pally/Shaman.

It reminds me of when people would attack Arenas for having only certain specs of certain classes. And that rated BGs would fix those problems. But it's not going to, there will still be optimal set ups.

But congrats to Shaman and Druid for being able to dispel magics. ONE OF US, ONE OF US Comment by TomatoSauce Why are they removing the Cure over Time abilities?

Those were good.We have spells that remove debuffs with minimal input on the part of the player. In Cataclysm we are raising the mana costs, making it possible to waste mana by casting a dispel when there is nothing to dispel, and removing Cleansing Totem, Abolish Disease, and Abolish Poison from the game. With these changes in mind, we are working to plan dungeon and raid encounters where dispels aren’t in constant demand or spammed in order to be successful, though some need for dispels will still be a part of the design.Comment by sztwolf cleasnsing totem being removed! ......now i'm really sad panda on the garden....T^T Comment by lokibrth Why are they removing the Cure over Time abilities?

Those were good.Comment by Haxzor Shaman not being able to remove Diseases and Poisons will be a huuuuuuuuge change Comment by icetrix Pretty hate this alot... being able to remove deseases and poisens as shaman felt great and now we must also miss another buddy totem of us...

Blizzard sure hates Shaman. Comment by Headphonez Im afraid that this is going to be the biggest shaman nerf.
Unless they are getting insanely buffed in their healing abilities Comment by Lihonessa But congrats to Shaman and Druid for being able to dispel magics. ONE OF US, ONE OF USComment by Haxzor But congrats to Shaman and Druid for being able to dispel magics. ONE OF US, ONE OF USComment by Secarious That's good as an unholy death knight,my biggest enemy healer is druid and he will be no longer be abel to remove diseases!

/evil laugh Comment by aFluffyFartBall This seems.. Interesting

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